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HootTheOwl posted:That's more of an Air Force thing. The Army still uses a chain.  JeffersonClay posted:When Joy Reid expresses this view it's vile transphobia. That's not actually the exact argument Reid was making. Reid was saying that Manning only did what she did because of mental instability, some of which was due to gender dysphoria. Which is not vile transphobia, it's really just passive bias. As in, kind of a lovely thing to think that removes agency from Manning, but she also clearly did not mean malice by her argument and in fact was arguing that the military should treat transgender people better, even if she personally does not like Manning specifically. I think that using that series of tweets as proof that Reid is super transphobic is actually dumb, but there are other things she has said/argued that are actually pretty bad/dumb.
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Ze Pollack posted:man grasped the principles of good cop/bad cop, which was why the white moderate proudly proclaimed him someone who wanted society on fire and all the heads of white people on pikes, who needed to be shunned at all costs. consider the wisdom of William F. Buckley, explaining how because King preached civil disobedience, he probably had getting shot coming. Noted Moderate William F Buckley.
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We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power . . . this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others . . . the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and it must put its own house in order.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Any damage she caused is on the Army IMO because there was ample evidence that she had no place in a combat zone and definitely shouldn't have had access to anything sensitive. In a sane world she'd have been out on a failure to adapt/psychological discharge like literally everyone in her chair of command recommended. the best part is the reason why she wasn't the person in her chain of command who said "this kid isn't adapting well" was a woman, and, well, you know how hysterical all of -them- are, totally incapable of handling problem boys, smh, political correctness gone mad, it's probably nothing, besides, we need the warm bodies, what's the worst that could happen, she reveals that we're murdering civilians for shits and giggles? l-o-goddamn-l
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I think this is actually really funny because none of these are strictly speaking socialist. Not that I disagree with the broader point, it's just funny that "basic social democracy" is what constitutes radicalism in the US.
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yronic heroism posted:Noted Moderate William F Buckley. he's only saying what you've said about Manning, friend. that these people deserve to be punished for their callous lawlessness, above and beyond any supposed injustice they are protesting. because the norms are more important than your puny morality. your choice is between Buckley being a moderate and you being a National Review conservative. pick your poison.
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Greenwalds article is hot trash. quote:Why have so many establishment Democrats so quickly decided to back a white, straight male politician steeped in privilege, while devoting themselves to opposing a candidate who would make history by becoming the first trans woman ever elected to the U.S. Senate, in the process inspiring trans youth around the world and helping to erode the stigma that has made them so vulnerable to discrimination and violence? Saying poo poo like this while not providing proof of the vast centrist conspiracy is absurd.
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Is there a better source on King supporting UBI specifically? I'm aware he was generally socialist but wasn't aware the term "universal basic income" dates back that far.
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Chomskyan posted:He's been critical of the way the Russia story is being handled. I don't think Greenwald is "shocked" by Dem criticism of Manning, it's fits pretty neatly into his (mostly accurate) narrative of politics Being up Ron Paul’s rear end isn’t exactly what I’d call a narrative.
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Ze Pollack posted:he's only saying what you've said about Manning, friend. that these people deserve to be punished for their callous lawlessness, above and beyond any supposed injustice they are protesting. because the norms are more important than your puny morality. Nah Buckley was a smiling fascist hth.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Greenwalds article is hot trash. True about 75 percent of the time.
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yronic heroism posted:Nah Buckley was a smiling fascist hth. sure was. consider that the next time you decide to repeat him, verbatim
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white sauce posted:I'm glad Chelsea weakened the US surveillance state, unironically Except it wasn’t weakened, pedophile avatar guy.
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Ze Pollack posted:sure was. Shut the gently caress up or post receipts, dingus.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Greenwalds article is hot trash. Looks like it went over your head. Greenwald isn't charging a massive conspiracy in that quote, he's mocking how quickly centrist Democrats abandon their values when it's inconvenient to natsec politics.
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Chomskyan posted:Looks like it went over your head. Greenwald isn't charging a massive conspiracy in that quote, he's mocking how quickly centrist Democrats abandon their values when it's inconvenient to natsec politics. But if you are making that assertion you should have proof to back it up in the article. He is being intellectually dishonest
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Fluffdaddy posted:But if you are making that assertion you should have proof to back it up in the article. He is being
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yronic heroism posted:Shut the gently caress up or post receipts, dingus. if only these loving rabble-rousers had respected our precious norms, instead of associating with such -dubious- criminal elements, eh, friend? after all. some things are more important than some pissy whining about "equality" and "justice."
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yronic heroism posted:Except it wasn’t weakened, pedophile avatar guy. You don't know what an avatar is, trump-lover avatar guy
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Chomskyan posted:Looks like it went over your head. Greenwald isn't charging a massive conspiracy in that quote, he's mocking how quickly centrist Democrats abandon their values when it's inconvenient to natsec politics. I read it as a jab at Hillary supporters.
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Fluffdaddy posted:But if you are making that assertion you should have proof to back it up in the article. He is being intellectually dishonest https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/952982355228221443 https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/952273441348046849 https://twitter.com/AriCostello/status/952784186775138304 https://twitter.com/lizwahl/status/952341451177975808
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Lightning Knight posted:I think this is actually really funny because none of these are strictly speaking socialist. Not that I disagree with the broader point, it's just funny that "basic social democracy" is what constitutes radicalism in the US. Its because many supposed internet radicals have internalized conservative thinking to the core and consider "Government doing a thing" to be socialism.
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Ze Pollack posted:if only these loving rabble-rousers had respected our precious norms, instead of associating with such -dubious- criminal elements, eh, friend? Which criminal elements are you claiming MLK associated with? We’re they rapist Pepe Russia trolls who he doxxed vulnerable minorities to while living/working as a white man in an air conditioned computer jockey office? Because if the answer is no that’s a loving big difference. I understand you being a salty corncob though. Claiming Buckley as a moderate is a pretty big fuckup after all. Especially when you consider King was referring to white moderates as being the folks making up the Johnson/Kennedy administrations. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Y'know, most decent people disengage when they realize they're in sync with Dead Reckoning on an issue.
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yronic heroism posted:Which criminal elements are you claiming MLK associated with? We’re they rapist Pepe Russia trolls who he doxxed vulnerable minorities to while living/working as a white man in an air conditioned computer jockey office? Because if the answer is no that’s a loving big difference. maybe if you shout "nonviolence is contingent on submission to the law" a little louder you can shut all those damned leftists comparing you to Buckley up
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white sauce posted:I'm glad Chelsea weakened the US surveillance state, unironically self unaware posted:I'm gladChelsea weakened the US surveillance state, unironically Kanine posted:lmao im cool with anybody that causes "grave damage to our national security and credibility" tbh Shimrra Jamaane posted:Our international credibility deserved to be damaged, it just sucks that she did it through Assange instead of basically anyone else. Nevvy Z posted:Same but because of the collateral murdering. readingatwork posted:The US murdered journalists you psycho. The damage was done by the act, not by the exposing of it. Ze Pollack posted:murdering a bunch of random iraqi civilians and a journalist because a gunship pilot had a murder-boner: not a problem Rent-A-Cop posted:Any damage she caused is on the Army IMO because there was ample evidence that she had no place in a combat zone and definitely shouldn't have had access to anything sensitive. In a sane world she'd have been out on a failure to adapt/psychological discharge like literally everyone in her chair of command recommended. Chomskyan posted:I don't believe she damaged our national security and if we lost credibility because of the leaks its because the US Military engaged in unethical behavior
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Dead Reckoning posted:The aforementioned "what Manning did was good because it hurt the US Government, who deserve it" boosters. Also the State Department isn't part of the "surveillance state" by any sane definition. Manning's defenders completely gloss over that much of the material she released was diplomatic, not military. who gives a gently caress about any of this poo poo  The empire of the United States deserves to be destroyed, real simple and plain.
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Ze Pollack posted:maybe if you shout "nonviolence is contingent on submission to the law" a little louder you can shut all those damned leftists comparing you to Buckley up Tell me more about what you imagine MLK meant by the Birmingham jail letter, Internet white man. 
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DR in 1918: how dare the bolsheviks release all the secret treaties the Tsar signed with the entente dividing up the Caucasus and Balkans
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Dead Reckoning is a literal facist and racist. Why do people think "debating" them will go anywhere?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao at Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Funny how the people who are most in favor of Manning being elected are also the people who are in favor of weakening the United States. 
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Dead Reckoning posted:Funny how the people who are most in favor of Manning being elected are also the people who are in favor of weakening the United States.  the mean leftists want us to have less aircraft carriers and death machines
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That the universally loathed dead reckoning detests Chelsea manning is the strongest argument for her Senate run ive seen itt or elsewhere
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Raskolnikov38 posted:DR in 1918: how dare the bolsheviks release all the secret treaties the Tsar signed with the entente dividing up the Caucasus and Balkans DR in 1939: how dare they leak the secret provisions of the molotov-ribbentrop non-aggression pact
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Dead Reckoning posted:If you aren't willing to change your mind, we'll just have to disagree, but I feel like you're hiding behind the fig leaf that damage to reputation and trust is impossible to quantify in order to deny that it happened. It's not that I'm not willing to change my mind, it's that I know that critics of Manning such as yourself have never shown any convincing evidence of the leaks damaging US national security.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Funny how the people who are most in favor of Manning being elected are also the people who are in favor of weakening the United States.  Unironically yes!
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