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Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


As someone who did the puzzle on the DS version, it really is less of a headache there. And there's a grim :allears: in knowing the true origin of the Blue Badger.

E: Update near the bottom of the last page.

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serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!

I wish I could go back in time and watch myself play through this case for the first time, because genuinely I do not remember having such a difficult time lining the jar up. The only other possibility I could think of is that I just had way more patience for that kind of bullshit in the past.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I had a vague memory of that puzzle being awful. Glad to see it wasn't just me.

fatsleepycat
Oct 2, 2021

DKII posted:


So it was the witness who took the victim's life...

and then proved so with her own testimony!

This is unprecedented!


Has the judge been attending the same trials we have?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

fatsleepycat posted:

Has the judge been attending the same trials we have?

Yeah, but it's not perjury this time.

Prowler
May 24, 2004

I take it back, the payoff is much better knowing there's that minigame/puzzle that requires you to prove it. It's neat, although also seemingly a giant pain....

NullBlack
Oct 29, 2011

I'm as confused as you are.

DKII posted:

Part 136: Episode 5, Day 2, Investigation: Crime Scene Investigation

I don't even know what to say to that. Gumshoe would be my least-likely suspect. I think Ema is a likelier murderer.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!


I gave up on tracking all of DKII "Apollo's gift of prophecy" posts halfway through case 2. You'd need a couple spreadsheets by now.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
They should have had Meekins shout at you through his megaphone every time you got the angle wrong

Truthkeeper
Nov 29, 2010

Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.
It's been well over a decade since I last played this game, but I don't remember this puzzle being nearly that difficult on the DS. That's some bullshit right there.

FANSean
Nov 9, 2010
I remember it being extremely obnoxious myself and resorted to basically pixel-hunting the right feedback, though it might just have been made worse in this version on top of that.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 155: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Former: Bloody Message





Either you all know what's coming, or you have the same half-baked theory that I do - that bloody mark on the jar is the only thing somewhat resembling writing that was in that office that night. More importantly, that mark having some meaning is the only reason that Gant would hide it in his safe.



Music: Silence

This is the message left by the deceased.
Sound: Objection


Sound: Realization

Oh, is he going to just speak the killer's name?
Sound: Realization

If that thing could, I'm sure it would.
Sound: Realization



A message was left here...

on the surface of this jar.

What do you mean?
Sound: Light Bulb

quote:

I briefly considered submitting Goodman's Note (it is a message from the deceased, after all; just not the same deceased that we've been discussing), but the penalty forced me into a more serious guess. Choosing the note gets the same negative result as any other incorrect answer, however:



Music: Silence

This is the message from the deceased!
Sound: Objection

Right...

Now then.

This is the message from the judge!
Sound: Damage 2

:golfclap: Excellent penalty-assessment line, sir Judge.

Oh... (I guess that wasn't right.)

Music: Suspense

(If a dead person left behind a message...)

(it would have to be in written form.)
Sound: Realization

(That's the only logical conclusion.)

You'd better be careful, or you might wind up deceased yourself.

Let's try this again.


Sound: Gavel

Now then, Mr. Wright.

Please show us the piece of evidence...

that conveys a message from the deceased!

Commence retry loop.

Music: Suspense



Oh wow, I think I see it. It's just been partially wiped away. How many instances of evidence tampering are we up to now?

It looks like someone wiped the blood away.
Sound: Realization

...

Yes, but notice:



Why would that one fragment not get wiped? Did Lana not find it right away, and later it was too late so Gant just had to hide it in his safe?

Yes... there is a line here... drawn in blood!

So what you're saying,


Sound: Light Bulb

Prosecutor Marshall did not die instantly.



It was pitch dark in there. Did he even know what had happened, let alone who had done it?

One that someone apparently wiped away...



Let's luminol the whole thing!


Sound: Desk Slam

Precisely so! All we need to do is connect these points...

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

N-no...!


Sound: Gavel

Mr. Wright!

What kind of message did the victim leave for us!?
Sound: Whack


Sound: Realization

Music: Logic and Trick

(I've got to connect these dots to make letters.)



(His murderer's name!)

Was Neil Marshall really thinking at the time, "That bitch Ema betrayed and killed me! I better write down her name so everyone knows what happened!" Seems like a bit of a stretch, but whatever.



We get a little puzzle with zero instructions on what to do. After some trial and error, I discovered that connecting the dots requires a double-click with the mouse first on one dot, and then on another dot to draw a line between them.



Like so.



Not hard to connect the rest from there. The hardest part is realizing the middle line of the "E" doesn't actually need to be connected anywhere for some reason. Anyway, I never remotely saw this one coming when we first found that last piece of the jar.







Music: Silence


Sound: Guilty

(That's why all I've been thinking about is saving Lana.)




Sound: Guilty




Sound: Guilty

quote:

Getting this one wrong is pretty easy to do, given the lack of instruction.



Music: Silence

What do you think!? I came up with this message!
Sound: Drama Pound

Hmm... Yes...

I feel like I'm teaching handwriting to a student who is all thumbs...
Sound: Damage 2

Hey, I didn't even know there was a penalty being threatened on that one.

I think you should make him write out "I won't do it again" 100 times.

(I never was much good at handwriting...)

(I guess I'll check the Court Record...)



Sound: Gavel

Mr. Wright!

Not sure how the Court Record is going to help with this one, but we get the same scene leading up to the same puzzle from there.


Sound: Realization

I just thought of something. In order for Neil to write out Ema's name like it's shown here, the jar would still have to be intact at this point. So how did it get broken? And why did one piece not get wiped away, and hidden in Gant's safe instead? Was he saving it as blackmail material?















Of all people...



Was Ema Skye.






Sound: Guilty




Sound: Realization

Oh look, Gant's back to taunt us. Does he even realize we got that last piece of the jar out of his safe?



Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?

Chief Gant...
Sound: Light Bulb



What...? What are you talking about?

Two years ago,

Joe Darke was sentenced to death.

He was convicted because of his final murder.



Gant is awfully cheeky for someone who did a lot of the evidence tampering/forging in said case.

Ack!
Sound: Light Bulb

Yes, Worthy.

Because of you...

an innocent man was sentenced to death.


Sound: Realization


Sound: Stab 2

Music: Silence




Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection



I'm afraid that's not important.
Sound: Realization

Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?



What?
Sound: Light Bulb

We're merely keepers of the law.

Sentencing a man to death...

is no light matter.

Even if there wasn't any cover-up or evidence forgery...


Sound: Realization

I'm really looking forward to wiping that smirk of his face in a few updates.

!

Despite what anyone may say,

Music: Silence

this fact cannot be denied.
Sound: Drama Pound


Sound: Crowd Noise

We get the same extra-excited crowd noise that ended our last trial day.


Sound: Crowd Noise


Sound: Crowd Noise


Sound: Crowd Noise

There's a difference between responsibility and fault. Damon Gant and Lana Skye are clearly the ones at fault here. Though I guess we still have to prove Gant's involvement.


Sound: Crowd Noise





Unable to settle the crowd, the judge declared a recess.

Where this trial is headed, no one knows...



Rather eventful first half of the trial day. We still have to tie all of this SL-9 stuff back into Goodman's murder. Maybe Lana will be more forthcoming now that her secret is out?

Music: Jingle - It Can't End Here



Just one segment left in this game!

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
I don't think Lana will be terribly pleased with us, considering if the accusation we've just made stands, her sister will be tried and likely convicted of murder or manslaughter.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I feel like calling him innocent is a bit of a stretch, even if they mean "in this specific instance".

Regallion
Nov 11, 2012

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

I feel like calling him innocent is a bit of a stretch, even if they mean "in this specific instance".

Wasn't the issue that they couldn't actually pin the murders on him so if this is nullified, then he is functionally innocent?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I suppose? From all indication, the evidence they had on him was circumstantial or non-existent. But it doesn't seem like Gant is denying that he's culpable (or believed to be).

DKII posted:


Sound: Objection



I'm afraid that's not important.

AncientSpark
Jan 18, 2013
I think a big part of it is taking control of the narrative. It's not as effective to deny his culpability here as it is to throw someone else under the bus, unless he's directly questioned about his responsibility.

It's also kind of in his character design. Gant has a very evil looking character design, but it's not evil in the same way Dracula Von Karma is, for example. He's kind of charismatic and sharp looking and it makes him seem like a smooth talker. It feels like his modus operandi that he likes to take control of the story.

AncientSpark fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jan 13, 2024

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


do you think that phoenix wright could successfully get aladdin (disney, pre-lamp) out of trouble? a billion witnesses, cops, all saying he stole the goddamn bread and he steals all the time. would he even do it? i feel like maybe he would say something like

"If you have to steal to eat... and you have to eat to live..."
*desk thump*
"That means he had to steal... to live!"
*point*
*music change*
"Would you condemn a man for staying alive??"

or something like that. but honestly i don't think that phoenix does any cases that aren't murders-where-we-also-find-the-real-killer, based on his record so far

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 156: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Latter: Final Witness

Music: Silence



Music: Courtroom Lobby ~ Beginning Overture



I didn't mean to get you in trouble...



This is my problem, not yours.

Music: Silence


Sound: Door Opens

...
Sound: Realization

...
Sound: Realization


Sound: Light Bulb

I think someone forgot to update Gumshoe's lines from yesterday's mid-trial break.

Wait! Detective Gumshoe! What is it?
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Whack


Sound: Whack

I take it Lana's having you run errands again.

Let me tell you, this is the last time, pal!


Sound: Realization

"Evidence Law"? (Edgeworth was talking about this just the other day...)





Rule 1: no evidence shall be shown without the approval of the Police Department!

I-is that right, Mr. Wright!?

It seems so.


Sound: Whack





A message?
Sound: Realization

She said, "If you're planning to take HIM on,



("Him"...)

(I guess I'll need to give this book a thorough read...)


Sound: Select Jingle

Good thing this is a video game and books are a maximum of three pages long. Also we can freeze time while perusing the Court Record.



This book has just one page, outlining the two rules themselves. I'm impressed at the callback here; I suspect these will come up when trying to nail Gant on hiding the SL-9 evidence. That second rule actually somewhat explains why we can't just present anything we want whenever we want; we have to wait until we can show its relevance first.



All that's left now is

the Chief Prosecutor's sentence.

That's where you're wrong, Detective.
Sound: Realization

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb



Why I'm still sitting in that prosecutor's seat...


Sound: Realization

Mr. Edgeworth...


Sound: Light Bulb

Wright and Edgeworth working together to get to the truth is awesome.

Music: Silence

What!? What else is there left to do?
Sound: Whack



Ema Skye found out she unwittingly caused a man's death...

And now you're telling me you want to do more!?
Sound: Whack


Sound: Damage 2

You're missing the point, Detective.

Lana didn't murder Detective Goodman.
Sound: Realization

Music: Courtroom Lobby ~ Beginning Overture

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



That means the real killer... is still out there.

What!?

(And we're going to expose him...)

(No matter what it takes!)

I like using Gumshoe as the stand-in for the audience for the recap here.





Music: Silence




Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Music: Trial



Mr. Edgeworth.

Yes, Your Honor?



We'll see what they say once the day is over.



Thank you for the news, Your Honor.

Yes, well... *a-hem*

I'm still amazed at how this game has made me go from hating Edgeworth's antics at the start to loving them now. Taking a bow at the judge and thanking him for the news is just such a perfect response to a bullshit inquiry like that.



but, er... *a-hem* *cough* *cough*

This isn't easy to say...



Struck a bargain?
Sound: Realization

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



Was Edgeworth manipulating Ema into ruining his reputation for him? I'm not sure this complaint makes a lot of sense here.

I didn't say that!
Sound: Whack



...

Very well, Your Honor.

I have a solution.

A solution?
Sound: Light Bulb

That being the case,


Sound: Realization

Edgeworth you magnificant rear end in a top hat, way to turn that around.


Sound: Stab

Undeniably this is an unusual arrangement...

but a very effective one.



On the other hand, Edgeworth is thorough enough to strike deals with all possible witnesses anyway. But we know that won't be the case here.

Hmm...

Well, Mr. Wright? What do you say?

... (Unbelievable.)



Very well.



The defense accepts the prosecution's proposal.


Sound: Gavel

Then it's settled.



Mr. Wright.

...!
Sound: Light Bulb



If you call the wrong witness...

this trial is as good as over.

The defense calls...

(The time's finally come to bring out the real murderer!)



While it might be interesting to call on Lana and see if she'll spill the beans on Gant now, Phoenix's last line is telling us we need to go straight for Gant here. There's a penalty on this one, but it's not a tough choice anyway.



Music: Silence


Sound: Desk Slam



quote:

Picking anyone else results in disappointed Edgeworth:



Music: Silence




Sound: Desk Slam

It appears I've overestimated you, Mr. Wright.

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

For a moment, I actually thought you knew what you were doing. Hmph!

Mr. Wright! This court has long since tired of your questionable antics!
Sound: Whack
Sound: Damage 2

Okay, summoning Meekins to testify again deserves a penalty.

Music: Trial

(I still don't have any concrete evidence,)

(but judging by the direction everything seems to be pointing...)

(There's another, even more suspicious person!)
Sound: Realization

The defense calls...

(The time's finally come to bring out the real murderer!)

We loop back for another try at picking the next witness.


Sound: Realization
Sound: Whack

...

As the defendant's partner two years ago,



I feel we should hear what he has to say about it.

Hmm...

As luck would have it, he should still be in the courthouse.


Sound: Realization

Wouldn't you agree, Your Honor?



True...







Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?

Witness. Please state your name and occupation.



I was just on my way to lunch!

Your name and occupation, sir.




Sound: Desk Slam

Your name and occupation!



So...

You want to play hardball, eh?
Sound: Realization

P-please, Mr. Gant.

...

Fine.
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Acting?



Oh, Wrighto. What's with the grim face?
Sound: Light Bulb

First, let's clear up this SL-9 Incident.


Sound: Realization

This guy really doesn't realize that all his schemes are falling apart around him now.

Personally, I think it's been made pretty clear already.



There are still some things unaccounted for.

Oh? Like what?
Sound: Light Bulb

Like the role you played in all of this.

...

Music: Silence


Sound: Realization

...



"Weapons"...?
Sound: Light Bulb

Sure. Take my testimony, for example.


Sound: Realization

What?
Sound: Light Bulb

Is that true?



Just in case you thought the system wasn't corrupt enough.



...


Sound: Whack

That's literally all he's been trying to do all episode.

Just remember...



Super secret double penalties at stake here, then!


Sound: Gavel

Very well. The witness may now begin his testimony.




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato

As I recall, Neil and I were questioning him that day.







Apparently she had already... "arranged" the crime scene.


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Music: Silence



Well that last line is bullshit, and we have a couple different ways to prove it.



Him? He was lying on the floor unconscious.


Sound: Wipe






Sound: Shock 2




Sound: Shock 2




Sound: Stab 2



What an odd way to talk about Darke getting knocked unconscious.





(If the police chief has the right to refuse to testify...)

(Then I'd better hit him hard and fast!)




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato

(Lana did admit to forging evidence...)

(but that can't be the whole truth.)





As I recall, Neil and I were questioning him that day.





Yes, that's right. I guess you could say I'm a workaholic...









I don't quite remember...

At the very least, she wasn't there when Darke ran for it.



To make a long story short, we slipped up. That power outage didn't help either.



So the two of you ran immediately after him, right?



so Neil and I split up.

He went upstairs and I went downstairs.

I guess you could say...

he got "lucky."
Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Clapping



Oh, that.
Sound: Whack



Well...


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

(That's not funny...)



When I went to my office, I found Lana there.



Could you tell us what you saw?

It was a shocking sight...


Sound: Wipe



This image makes more sense knowing it was arranged like that. Those bodies don't look like they naturally fell that way.

Darke was also lying collapsed on the floor?
Sound: Realization


Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Clapping





(Lana and Ema...)

Lana was cradling Ema in her arms.

Looking back at it now...


Sound: Realization

...!



Apparently she had already... "arranged" the crime scene.




Sound: Desk Slam

How can you know that!?

Because of the victim's body.

It had already been moved.
Sound: Realization

So that means...


Sound: Wipe



That's right.

I think you said earlier,


Sound: Drama Pound



Yes...

...

Anyway...



As you can see, I had nothing to do with the "forgery."



So you're saying...



That's exactly what I'm saying.

I can understand how Lana must have felt,



There we go, that's the line we nail him on.

(Is that how it really went down?)


Sound: Realization

!
Sound: Light Bulb

If you're going to stare at anything...



Worthy, Worthy... Always the smooth talker.
Sound: Clapping



Can't ask for a better prompt than that.



To help you out, I'm going to eliminate one of the incorrect options here. You'll see why.

Music: Silence



If you really had nothing to do with the forgery...

then how do you explain this?
Sound: Objection

Music: Investigation - Core


Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Desk Slam

Chief Gant! Your explanation, please!
Sound: Drama Pound



...

Music: Silence

I don't know.
Sound: Realization

You tell me, son.
Sound: Whack

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

My dear Wrighto.


Sound: Realization

(Uh-oh, not this again. Evidence law...)




Sound: Realization


Sound: Gavel

It appears...

the defense was not prepared.



Please accept my profound apologies, Chief.

Would you mind giving the defense another chance?


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Thank you. I assure you the defense is terribly sorry.
Sound: Whack

Ha ha ha...

(Yeah. Sorry I didn't nail you...)

Music: Questioning - Moderato



From there, we get brought back to the start of the cross. Notably, we do not take a penalty here. Considering my only thought on the cloth was that it was showing Ema's handprint on Neil's vest, I'm not sure how it's really going to end up getting used yet.



We still have to decide what else to present here. We're up to thirty pieces of evidence in the list now. Which one contradicts Gant's last statement?

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 157: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Latter: Forgery





Of the things we found in Gant's office, the jar seems the most relevant given it identifies the killer, and the most damning considering Gant had it locked up in his safe.

Music: Silence



You claim you had nothing to do with the forgery...




Sound: Realization

Explain yourself.

Several pieces of evidence were found in your office.

Take this jar, for example.


Sound: Light Bulb

A piece of this jar was discovered in your safe.

...

Not only that,




Sound: Desk Slam

was actually found inside your desk!

quote:

The poll had two items getting heavy votes, and since the scene mentions two pieces of evidence, you won't be surprised to learn that we can present either the jar or the list here. Some lines just get switched around for the other one:

Music: Silence



You claim you had nothing to do with the forgery...

but I'm afraid that is a claim you cannot back up.
Sound: Realization

Music: Suspense

Explain yourself.

Several pieces of evidence were found in your office.

Take this list, for example.

That's the list Ema Skye drew her picture on...
Sound: Light Bulb

This was discovered in your desk.

...

Not only that,

but a piece of this jar that was sitting in your office...


Sound: Desk Slam

was found inside your safe!

Both scenes proceed the same from here...


Sound: Light Bulb

You see, Chief Gant.

These articles of evidence uncovered in your office...




Sound: Drama Pound
Sound: Objection

Gant knew we presented both of these things earlier today. Yet he still has had a cocky attitude all day. He must have a plan for dealing with this evidence.

Music: Objection!


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel


Sound: Whack

Ho!

Here's a defense attorney who may even rival Worthy!



Who, me?

Or do you mean...

you?
Sound: Realization


Sound: Stab

Well...



...!
Sound: Light Bulb



Wait, that's his whole strategy? Just say "nuh-uh" and "you must have planted it on me!" Has Gant forged so much evidence in his years that it's all he can see anywhere now? Good thing we had Gumshoe with us at the time then.

Defense attorneys can do so too.

Isn't that right, Wrighto?
Sound: Whack




Sound: Desk Slam



Worthy, my boy.
Sound: Realization

Not even detectives are exempt from the law.



Here we have a prime example of why evidence tampering/forgery is such a serious issue for the legal system. Once the idea of planting evidence becomes feasible, literally every defendant can just make their defense "well the police planted that evidence". It quickly becomes impossible to prosecute anyone.

Wh...
Sound: Light Bulb

WHAAAAT!?
Sound: Stab 2

Music: Silence




Sound: Gavel

Yes, well. In light of the Detective's presence...

Luckily for us, even this judge isn't buying that Gumshoe was in on planting evidence for us.



and their relation to the forgery that took place at the crime scene.

My, my...






Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato



For all I know, you could have planted them in my office.
Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping



If they were found after Darke was convicted, then they're worthless.

There's no reason I'd participate in a forgery.



Music: Silence



So much wrong with that testimony I'm not even sure where to begin.

Hmm...

Mr. Wright.

Yes, Your Honor?

When investigating the crime scene...





Exactly what protocol would have proven that we found the evidence where we said we found it? Even if we videotaped the whole thing, we could have arranged the scene beforehand and then faked out the entire discovery sequence.


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Ooh...


Sound: Realization

My apologies, Chief, but would you mind waiting
Sound: Light Bulb

until tomorrow for that?

Today is...

well, you know...


Sound: Whack

I know! I know!

That place,

right?

(Huh? What are these guys, telepathic?)

Common exchange of favors, I guess...




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato



(Yet I know he played a part in the forgery.)


Sound: Realization

I wonder if Lana knew what she was getting into, going to Gant for help? And was just that desperate?



Edgeworth reading the thoughts off of Wright's face again.



For all I know, you could have planted them in my office.




Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Whack

Yes, you do have a point...


Sound: Realization

What!?
Sound: Light Bulb



Phoenix.... as much as I love the image of Phoenix Wright, cow-tipper, now is not the time!

M-Mr. Wright! What are you saying!?
Sound: Whack

Anyway, you can't prove you didn't carry in the evidence, can you?



Later? What are you talking about?
Sound: Light Bulb



Yes. If they're found inside my safe,

they would prove his investigation was illegal.
Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

I'm not sure that even makes any sense. Maybe someone legally investigating the safe would be smart enough to wear gloves?





Anyway, you can't prove "when" those pieces of evidence were discovered.



What do you mean by that?

This is all purely hypothetical, of course...



Such an act...

wouldn't necessarily constitute forgery.
Sound: Realization

I think this guy would be more persuasive if he wasn't trying to cram multiple arguments into one testimony. "You planted it!" "I found it after the trial was over, so it wasn't forgery!" "I don't have any motive anyway!" He's actually coming off kind of desperate, earlier than I would have expected.




Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Drama Pound

I'm not through speaking yet, Wrighto.
Sound: Realization





If they were found after Darke was convicted, then they're worthless.





wasn't discovered in the initial investigation?


Sound: Light Bulb

A piece not being found until later would explain why that one piece hadn't been wiped. I still don't get how Neil wrote out Ema's name on the jar, and then the jar broke, though. Maybe Lana saw Ema's name plainly written on it, and then smashed the jar? Then panicked and tried to wipe off the blood afterwards, but couldn't find one of the pieces?


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Hiding excuplatory evidence for a man on death row isn't a problem then? Or was the sentence (execution) carried out immediately?




Sound: Desk Slam

Oh, and wouldn't that be convenient...

Wright.

!
Sound: Light Bulb



your remarks, however clever they may be,

will only succeed in wasting time.
Sound: Realization

(Tell me something I don't know...)
Sound: Stab

Come now, Wrighto.
Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Clapping

Think about it.

I like how Edgeworth is serving as the stand-in for Ema here. I bet Ema makes a dramatic comeback before this trial is over, though.



There's no reason I'd participate in a forgery.




Sound: Desk Slam



Because I'm innocent.

...!
Sound: Light Bulb

Remember?

Who was it that murdered Neil?
Sound: Realization

I'm not sure I care for the word "murder" here...



was Ema Skye.

...

Well? Now do you see?



Rearranging the crime scene wouldn't help me out in any way.



Really, Chief Gant?



Oh? I wasn't aware.

What is this "benefit"?

Music: Silence


Sound: Realization

Oh...
Sound: Light Bulb



That in itself is sufficient motive!
Sound: Objection

...


Sound: Whack x 3
Sound: Damage 2

Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?

Huh?
Sound: Realization

Do you really think I'm that incompetent?

What do you mean?



The resolution of SL-9 merely sped up the inevitable a little.

Is that true, Edgeworth?
Sound: Light Bulb



Gah!
Sound: Damage 2

Be careful when pointing that finger...

or you might wind up being the one pointed at!

So that means...



If you didn't do it for yourself...

then you did it for someone else.
Sound: Realization



Music: Silence

Don't be silly, Worthy. You know me better than that.
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Realization

Interesting way to claim to have no motive. But he can still selfishly benefit by helping someone do something illegal, and then blackmailing them about it afterwards.

...

There, it's out in the open now.
Sound: Light Bulb



By all means, please do!

Music: Questioning - Moderato





All that was just one long press, but we get a subtly different statement out of Gant from it. Of course we just press on it again...



"Nothing in it" for you?


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

That girl... Lana's little sister, was it?





You're right...

You don't feel sorry for anyone.


Sound: Light Bulb

You seem to be lax enough on yourself, though.

Ho! Ho! Ho!
Sound: Whack x 3
Sound: Damage 2
Sound: Clapping

Oh, that's a good one, Worthy!

(Hmm... Could there have been something in it for him?)



We figured this one out a long time ago.

True, you might not help out anyone for their sake.

Music: Silence


Sound: Light Bulb

quote:

If we back off instead:

(Bah! I can't think of how it would help him!)
Sound: Stab

Music: Silence

(That means...)

(He wouldn't have helped out anyone.)
Sound: Realization

Relax and take a deep breath, Mr. Wright.

!
Sound: Light Bulb

Try to think "outside the box."

After all, that's what you're good at, isn't it?
Sound: Realization

Think outside the box... (I never thought I'd hear him tell me that...)

(The question isn't "Who would the Chief help"...)

(It's "Who would ask the Chief for help?")


Sound: Wipe

Music: Questioning - Moderato

(If someone did that, he'd be sure to find a way to benefit from that person!)


Sound: Gavel

It appears...

the defense has nothing more to say.

Chief, would you please repeat your testimony from the beginning?

...

Sure enough, we go back to the start of the cross from there. A clearer example there of how Edgeworth has taken over as the advice-soundboard for Wright, with Ema not around.

...

Mr. Wright.



as a nice man who likes to lend people a hand.
Sound: Realization

(That's not what I mean...)


Sound: Gavel

Music: Logic and Trick

Very well, then.





This choice isn't hard. Though it's funny that Gant himself is an option here.



Music: Silence


Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Drama Pound

...

I believe it's quite obvious in light of the circumstances.


Sound: Wipe



quote:

Guessing anyone but Lana here just results in a penalty and some taunting from Gant.



Music: Silence

Wrighto, my boy. The look on your face...

is almost enough to motivate even me to help you out.
Sound: Light Bulb

I hope you understand that's not a compliment.
Sound: Damage 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato

(Chief Gant would have wanted something in return...)

(He must have wanted to be able to blackmail the person he helped!)
Sound: Realization


Sound: Gavel

It appears...

the defense has nothing more to say.

Chief, would you please repeat your testimony from the beginning?

...

Just like the last decision, getting this one wrong sends us back to the start of the cross. We have to re-press and go through all the prompts again to get back to where we were. Would have been nice if saying that Gant was helping himself got some special dialogue here, but no luck.

Music: Suspense


Sound: Realization

And as for Chief Gant...

he would also have a reason to help Lana if she asked him to.


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Realization

Self-profit...?
Sound: Light Bulb

What do you mean?

After the SL-9 Incident was resolved...





The person who arranged this job change...

was you, Chief Gant.
Sound: Realization

...

B-but...

how would he profit from all of this?




Sound: Desk Slam

Essentially...


Sound: Objection

Do you mean to tell me... that despite the Chief's formidable appearance,

Music: Silence


Sound: Pong x 2



My favorite part is the dead-silent reaction from the gallery.

Oh, wait.
Sound: Stab 2


Sound: Damage 2

Penalty on the judge for that one?


Sound: Desk Slam

Admit it, Chief!

You assisted Lana Skye in forging evidence!


Sound: Objection

Music: Telling the Truth

Wrighto, my boy. You have quite an imagination.

Let me ask you something.

What?

Do you have any proof of this?

That I "controlled" Lana?


Sound: Realization

Lana...

(She's keeping quiet to protect Ema.)

(There's no way she'd testify against Gant!)





Yeah, finding inside Gant's safe, the evidence that proved that Ema killed Neil Marshall, is just conjecture...

... Unless...


Sound: Realization

"This" incident...?
Sound: Light Bulb

Er... which one would that be?

Of course I'm talking about...


Sound: Wipe



Edgeworth just casually linking Gant to Goodman's murder like he just thought of it on the fly.


Sound: Wipe




Sound: Wipe


Sound: Objection

Music: Silence





I wouldn't want you to get hurt.
Sound: Realization

Just what do you mean?


Sound: Desk Slam

What he means, Your Honor,




Sound: Drama Pound


Sound: Objection

Music: Suspense


Sound: Damage 2


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel x 3



Mr. Wright!
Sound: Whack

You...

You can't be serious!
Sound: Damage 2

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

This...


Sound: Whack

To accuse the Chief of Police

of blackmail... and murder!!!?


Sound: Drama Pound


Sound: Gallery

...

Your Honor, I was merely reiterating...





It's too late, Mr. Wright.

!
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Desk Slam

There's no turning back for us now.



Hahaha Phoenix just accidentally followed Edgeworth right off the cliff. Okay, are we ready for the real showdown?


Sound: Gavel

Can you prove this, Mr. Wright?



... (Good question...)



Regardless of his rank or title, Chief Gant is just a man.


Sound: Realization



I see.

Alright, then.



Show us this evidence that ties Chief Gant to the murder of Detective Goodman.



Well, thanks for hanging us out to dry, Edgeworth! Still, I guess we at least have an opportunity here, better make the most of it. What do we have that ties Gant to Goodman's murder?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

DKII posted:



Wait, that's his whole strategy? Just say "nuh-uh" and "you must have planted it on me!"

To be fair, Phoenix broke into his office and then broke into his safe and conveniently happened to find evidence that manages to make his client look innocent on literally the last day of the trial.

Gant pointing out that this could be a fabrication isn't without merit.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Mandatory damage in this confrontation? That sucks.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



DKII posted:


Do you mean to tell me... that despite the Chief's formidable appearance,

Music: Silence


Sound: Pong x 2



My favorite part is the dead-silent reaction from the gallery.

Oh, wait.
Sound: Stab 2


Sound: Damage 2

Penalty on the judge for that one?

CONCEPTUALIZATION [Trivial: Failure]

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

achtungnight posted:

Mandatory damage in this confrontation? That sucks.

There's no mandatory HP damage.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Guess I was confused by the latest update.

Prowler
May 24, 2004

achtungnight posted:

Guess I was confused by the latest update.

Like the attack preview bar in a strategy RPG, this is showing how much damage you'll take if you get hit (if you mean the screenshot where it seems like health was missing).

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 158: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Latter: Gant Pressure



A little more variety in the answers this time, but most of you got it.



We only really have one hope here.



There is one ID number left unidentified on this record. It better belong to Gant.



This is the ID card list...



There was one ID on the list we couldn't determine the owner of yesterday...

7777777.



quote:

Nothing else we have is tied to Gant, so we just get a generic failure for all of it. Wait, what are we going to do the rest of the trial? Ah, that's future me's problem.



...

Well, Chief?

Music: Silence

So long as Wrighto here is tossing out things regardless of their relevance...
Sound: Light Bulb

mind if I toss something too, Udgey?

This shoe should do nicely. I'll chuck it right at you!
Sound: Realization

You always were quite the joker, weren't you?

(Oops... Looks like I got it wrong.)

Don't "oops" me! Maybe this boot to the head will knock some sense into you!
Sound: Whack
Sound: Damage 2

Ouch. That penalty was accompanied by physical violence.

quote:

Original line: "Don't 'oops' me! Or I'll be the one throwing my shoe next!" Not as... openly violent?

I know it's hard with all that's gone on during this trial,

but try to think back to what happened in the evidence room four days ago.

The above line is accompanied by a pan of the evidence room. A hint that we need to cast our memory farther back, to yesterday's trial and the investigation that preceded it.

(Now that he mentions it, we did find something during yesterday's investigation...)

(Something that proves Gant entered that room...)
Sound: Realization

Music: Suspense

Looks like he wants another one of your boots, Udgey.
Sound: Whack

...

I see.

Alright, then.

Let's see what Mr. Wright's got. And it'd better be good!

Show us this evidence that ties Chief Gant to the murder of Detective Goodman.

We get dumped back at the same prompt as before, ready to try again. The hint is pretty nice here, since it's been awhile since we've had to think about that ID card record.

Music: Silence

It's your number.
Sound: Realization

!
Sound: Light Bulb

What!? How do you know that!?
Sound: Whack



A seven-digit code...

Seven digits...
Sound: Light Bulb

You don't mean...
Sound: Whack





The same as the remaining ID card number on that list!


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Drama Pound

Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered

Yes, music and sprite change! Get him!


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Order! Order!


Sound: Whack

... Nothing.


Sound: Realization




Sound: Desk Slam



about the use of this ID card!
Sound: Drama Pound

...


Sound: Gavel

Chief Gant!
Sound: Whack

So you admit it?



on the day of the crime!?
Sound: Whack

...


Sound: Realization

what's the difference? I can go anywhere I want.

Tell me.

When you entered the room...

were you alone?


Sound: Whack
Sound: Clapping

Detective Goodman wouldn't have happened to be with you that day...

would he?


Sound: Light Bulb

I hadn't seen him in days!



You hadn't seen him... "in days"? Chief Gant...


Sound: Realization

I can't remember if I explicitly heard the solution to this upcoming question earlier, or just guessed at it a long time ago.


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection


Sound: Gavel

What do you mean?
Sound: Whack





No it isn't, Your Honor.

This trial's purpose is to determine the truth.
Sound: Drama Pound




Sound: Desk Slam

then we need to determine one thing:


Sound: Objection


Sound: Gavel



Show us proof that the victim went to meet Chief Gant on the day of the crime!



The connection here is easy to overlook, but see that description? Goodman would have had to talk to Gant about his lost ID, especially with him needing to do the evidence transferal that day.



Detective Goodman lost his ID card on the day of the crime.

Or to be more accurate, Jake Marshall stole it.

So Detective Goodman filled out a lost item report.


Sound: Realization

Yet you are in possession of the report...

which means you can't be sure if he filed it.



He filed it.

How do I know, you ask?


Sound: Objection

He needed to?

Yes.

To transfer the evidence out.
Sound: Realization

Oh...
Sound: Light Bulb



Then...


Sound: Drama Pound

quote:

Nothing else will work here:



(No, there's got to be something more solid than this!)
Sound: Stab

(On that day...)

(Detective Goodman had to go see Chief Gant!)
Sound: Realization

Sorry to interrupt your mumblings...

but the court is waiting.
Sound: Damage 2

Rather tame penalty that time, but a penalty all the same.

(Oops...)

Why don't you come meet with me tomorrow?

Perhaps we could write up your letter of... termination?

Regardless, you did see Detective Goodman that day!


Sound: Gavel

In that case, Mr. Wright! I'm going to have to ask you for evidence!

Show us proof that the victim went to meet Chief Gant on the day of the crime!

And we're back at the evidence prompt, needing to get this one right to continue.

Music: Silence








Sound: Gallery



I, the Chief of Police,

murdered poor Goodman!
Sound: Realization

...



Exactly.

Music: Suspense

But wait!
Sound: Light Bulb



He could have just lent him his ID card.

Yes...
Sound: Realization







Sorry,

but that's not possible.

!
Sound: Light Bulb

I'm glad Edgeworth is handling this one for us.



Yet you showed us your ID card earlier.

If you had really "lent" it to Detective Goodman,


Sound: Desk Slam

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

Assuming Gant wouldn't have covered that up, too...


Sound: Drama Pound
Sound: Damage 2

Whoa. That meltdown looked more like a JRPG boss fight death scene. Which means we must have at least two more phases to this battle.

Music: Investigation - Core


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel x 3

Chief Gant!
Sound: Whack

Y-you didn't...!

...



would choose the Police Department as a place to commit murder.






Sound: Realization



You're forgetting, Mr. Wright,





How did he manage to move it there?
Sound: Light Bulb

I was at the Police Department the entire day, you know.



Does Edgeworth really not know? I thought this one was pretty self-evident after the second investigation day.

Everyone except me, it seems...

Still, you're the Chief of Police.


Sound: Realization

Weak.

Oh, so you think I just ordered an officer to do it?


Sound: Whack

Chief Gant. You left all the evidence we need...


Sound: Realization

(And all this time I thought it was a useless clue just taking up space...)

Oh good, we're using that already.


Sound: Gavel

How could the Chief have moved the body!?

Mr. Wright! Show us this evidence!



This one isn't too tough, thanks to the hint Phoenix gave us.



Oddly, it seems like this trial day is moving too fast. I wasn't expecting to use this item until much later, but here we are.



Music: Silence


Sound: Drama Pound

What's that?

A screwdriver?
Sound: Realization



Mr. Edgeworth.

Think back to the day of the crime.



It's here because...


Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Wipe




Sound: Wipe




Sound: Wipe





After the ceremony ended that day,

I didn't plan to return to the Prosecutor's Office.


Sound: Realization

You mean I... I...
Sound: Light Bulb

The body was found in the trunk of Mr. Edgeworth's car.


Sound: Wipe




Sound: Objection + Drama Pound

quote:

While it wasn't brought up directly there, we can also present the parking slip instead, and most of the scene just gets flipped:



Music: Silence

This is how he moved Detective Goodman's body!
Sound: Drama Pound

A parking stub?

"Miles Edgeworth"...
Sound: Realization

You mean...!
Sound: Light Bulb

The body was found in the trunk of Mr. Edgeworth's car.


Sound: Wipe

I think it's obvious what happened.

The body was moved by that car!
Sound: Objection

Just like at the end of the scene for presenting the screwdriver, the last two lines are shown over the image of Goodman's body in the open trunk, with the final line coming with Phoenix's big-head sprite overlaying it.

Music: Telling the Truth


Sound: Gallery




Sound: Desk Slam

You mean I... I... I carried the victim's body!?
Sound: Whack

Precisely so.

But wait!
Sound: Whack

Even you know...

I didn't plan on returning to my office...

after the ceremony finished that day.


Sound: Desk Slam

But you did return!

Tell me, why?
Sound: Realization

...

A-AAAHHHH...!
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Wipe

We now flash back to Edgeworth's office the other day...

I... was asked to go. By Chief Gant no less.


Sound: Wipe

He told me he wanted me to keep it here in the Prosecutor's Office.

The screwdriver is shown here...


Sound: Wipe

In any case, on the day of the stabbings, I brought this back here.



So you see...

what you were really taking to the Prosecutor's Office wasn't the screwdriver...


Sound: Desk Slam

but the victim's body in your trunk!
Sound: Objection

We proceed the same from here as presenting the screwdriver...

quote:

Nothing else will work here:




Sound: Desk Slam

Music: Silence

Well!?

I see...

Maybe I'll use this later...

to move your dead body, Mr. Wright.
Sound: Realization

Huh?
Sound: Light Bulb

And I'll help you dispose of it!
Sound: Damage 2

Boom! Penalty there.

Music: Investigation - Core

(Chief Gant stayed at the P.D. and Lana stayed at the Prosecutor's Office...)

(That leaves only one possible way he could have moved the body.)

(The only problem is, how did he get him to do it?)

(Maybe that piece of evidence really did have something to do with this case!)

I'll ask you again, Mr. Wright.


Sound: Gavel

How could the Chief have moved the body!?

Mr. Wright! Show us this evidence!

To move the victim's body... Chief Gant used this!

Pretty good hints from Phoenix there, as long as we have enough health sections remaining to take another stab at it.

Music: Telling the Truth


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel


Sound: Stab

Yes.

Unless, of course, you have another explanation, Chief?



...

There's only one plausible explanation:

to transport the body to your accomplice...


Sound: Drama Pound


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel x 3

Order! Order! Order!

What's going on here!?
Sound: Whack









It was exactly the opposite...
Sound: Realization


Sound: Drama Pound

I wonder where Lana was going to take it?

Chief Gant! Please, say something!
Sound: Whack


Sound: Damage 2
Sound: Realization

Music: Silence

My "time's up"?
Sound: Light Bulb



We have to get going if we're to make it in time for the early bird special.
Sound: Realization

Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?




Sound: Whack

Remember what I told you earlier?

A police chief...

has all kinds of weapons at his disposal.
Sound: Light Bulb

..."Weapons"...?




Sound: Stab 2

There are certain risks to be considered!
Sound: Realization




Sound: Desk Slam

So you're going to just run away after all this!?

"Run away"?

Don't make me laugh, Worthy.

!





Well I...

You think I had Lana dispose of the body?


Sound: Realization

Hmm...







Well, Mr. Wright?

Y-Your Honor?

Do you have any concrete proof?





Good question. Could be our last chance to nail Gant. Do we have any proof?

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Prowler posted:

Like the attack preview bar in a strategy RPG, this is showing how much damage you'll take if you get hit (if you mean the screenshot where it seems like health was missing).

Yeah the preview of "there be a penalty ahead" has the last two health sections changing between red and blue to denote what you're risking on that decision. I'll see if I can catch it animated later.

Level Seven
Feb 14, 2013

Wubba dubba dubba
that blew.



Megamarm

DKII posted:

Don't "oops" me! Maybe this boot to the head will knock some sense into you!

Ouch. That penalty was accompanied by physical violence.

quote:

Original line: "Don't 'oops' me! Or I'll be the one throwing my shoe next!" Not as... openly violent?

They made the change in honor of this classic. Minor spoilers for what future characters look like, but they are in the banner in the op so :shrug:.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

DKII posted:


Sound: Drama Pound
Sound: Damage 2

Whoa. That meltdown looked more like a JRPG boss fight death scene. Which means we must have at least two more phases to this battle.

Gant as a JRPG final boss is surprisingly accurate. He has way too much life, bullshit unique mechanics ("nuh uh not testifying") and an impressive title.

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


One thing that makes viewing a game in a play-by-post let's play quite different is that you can look at something for as long as you want.

I remember when I first saw Gant do that, it was shocking. I was like, 'what the gently caress, what happened'. It was a little creepy. It was such an extreme sprite shift, crazier than anything in the game before that.

It seems a lot... sillier, when you can just stare it down. Kinda like if you look at the model of a monster in a horror game when it's stuck, or something.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

නෝනාවරුනි




I can believe Chief Gant wipes his rear end with evidence.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



He probably does wipe his rear end with the real evidence after he's done doctoring up a bunch of fake evidence for the trial. Just for that extra "gently caress you" to the legal system/defense.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
Show Gant's written confession

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

...! posted:

Show Gant's written confession

Hmm... It must be hiding on the back of the victim's note.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
Apollo Justice trilogy now available on Steam. Pretty steeply priced tho :sweatdrop:

LJN92
Mar 5, 2014

DKII posted:

Hmm... It must be hiding on the back of the victim's note.

No, he clearly transcribed it on the back of Phoenix's Attorney Badge, believing that no one would ever see it there.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


davidspackage posted:

Apollo Justice trilogy now available on Steam. Pretty steeply priced tho :sweatdrop:

It's worth it.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

LJN92 posted:

No, he clearly transcribed it on the back of Phoenix's Attorney Badge, believing that no one would ever see it there.

Clearly we must show the attorney badge then :thunk:

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Blastinus
Feb 28, 2010

Time to try my luck
:rolldice:
Crap.
Maybe we can solve this by just reading a list of names. That hasn't failed us yet.

Mind you, we only tried it once.

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