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Jan 27, 2021 06:56
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That's a pretty poor viewership number now that they've run out of MNF/college championship excuses
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It's a little crazy to go back to old bryan and vinny shows and hear them talking about "contemporary" raw as doing 3 million viewers plus and they're talking about it as being disappointing.
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Jan 27, 2021 07:26
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Jan 27, 2021 07:28
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I am positive the highest rated segments are the Alexa ones.
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Also don't forget they somehow loving missed AJ Styles' debut to show a shot of Roman Reigns looking confused instead 
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Lots of weird camera choices in Lesnar's 2012 return. Cena looking like he's waiting for a bus when Brock's music hits; the cameras almost missing Lesnar picking Cena up because they cut to the crowd for no reason. Just weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzBf-jo84o
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Jerusalem posted:Also don't forget they somehow loving missed AJ Styles' debut to show a shot of Roman Reigns looking confused instead They filmed the part they thought was most important
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On this day, I see clearly
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Seams posted:Lots of weird camera choices in Lesnar's 2012 return. Cena looking like he's waiting for a bus when Brock's music hits; the cameras almost missing Lesnar picking Cena up because they cut to the crowd for no reason. Just weird. Awful camerawork aside, the awkwardness at the start has gotta be due to some backstage fuckup, like Brock wasn't ready to come out yet or something. Also his pyro didn't fire...? Just a great job all around
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Jan 27, 2021 11:22
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:They filmed the part they thought was most important But they didn't film John Cena telling AJ Styles "good luck rookie" backstage 
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Answers Me posted:Awful camerawork aside, the awkwardness at the start has gotta be due to some backstage fuckup, like Brock wasn't ready to come out yet or something. Also his pyro didn't fire...? Just a great job all around That reminds me that the night after Mania 30 Brock's pyro went off like five second delayed and scared the poo poo out of everyone in my section. It was hilarious.
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reignofevil posted:It's a little crazy to go back to old bryan and vinny shows and hear them talking about "contemporary" raw as doing 3 million viewers plus and they're talking about it as being disappointing. Old B&V shows also make it blatantly obvious that in wrestling, time is a flat circle. I'm currently listening to their old Impact reviews again, and it's eerie how they say that TNA in 2010 is doing all the same mistakes that WCW made in 2000, and you realise that WWE in 2020/2021 in turn is making the exact same mistakes again. Stuff like always bringing in old guys to pop a rating and have them go over the young talents; moving a show to different time slot that a competitor is already in and hot-shotting a bunch of poo poo; parity booking; having storylines go even though the face had already won the feud; people named Vince having too much creative power; etc.
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Jan 27, 2021 13:26
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Germansimp posted:Old B&V shows also make it blatantly obvious that in wrestling, time is a flat circle. I'm currently listening to their old Impact reviews again, and it's eerie how they say that TNA in 2010 is doing all the same mistakes that WCW made in 2000, and you realise that WWE in 2020/2021 in turn is making the exact same mistakes again. Stuff like always bringing in old guys to pop a rating and have them go over the young talents; moving a show to different time slot that a competitor is already in and hot-shotting a bunch of poo poo; parity booking; having storylines go even though the face had already won the feud; people named Vince having too much creative power; etc. Fun thing to think about : Jeff Jarrett, Abyss and Bruce Prichard now all have roles in WWE!
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Answers Me posted:Awful camerawork aside, the awkwardness at the start has gotta be due to some backstage fuckup, like Brock wasn't ready to come out yet or something. Also his pyro didn't fire...? Just a great job all around I think this is just an example of how WWE needlessly delays things to try and build anticipation. The longer the crowd has to wait, the louder the pop will be - but the pop is going to be huge when the music hits anyway and it doesn't actually add any drama. Especially when you know exactly what's coming.
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Crapple! posted:In honour of the Rumble, here's Edge's entrance from last year being absolutely butchered by WWE's dogshit camera work. The part where you catch a brief glimpse of him running behind a barricade and then when they hold the camera on him and instantly cut away when his pyro goes off still cracks me up to this day. I love how the footage they always show now is from a single camera that they don't cut away from.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Fun thing to think about : Jeff Jarrett, Abyss and Bruce Prichard now all have roles in WWE! TNA is just fascinating in retrospect, yes I know it still exists but after a decade it does seem Impact and TNA are distinct entities. It was the #2 promotion in North America for a decade without question and the highest of highs it ever reached was "absolute joke". Even during its peak, which would be the mid 2000s, no one would say it was worth watching over ROH during that same period. Like it lives in memes, but those memes are like maybe three or four incidents over an entire decade and the rest is about how loving awful it all was and everyone who worked there viewing it as an old shame. I'm not that in the know in Lucha but I think CMLL and AAA had a rivalry like this for a long time where CMLL was prestige and AAA was a joke but even that's flipped around a few times and people who have worked for either don't try to act like it never happened. There will never be a time when nostalgic fans reminisce for TNA, there won't be any over the hill people doing TNA throwback shows like ECW, it blazed no trails, influenced no one, and lasted forever despite its death being so loving long overdue that The Death of TNA was a running joke TWELVE YEARS AGO. And yet WWE is hiring these men whose accomplishments were nothing. Hire Scott D'Amore as well please.
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Lid posted:It was the #2 promotion in North America for a decade without question and the highest of highs it ever reached was "absolute joke". Even during its peak, which would be the mid 2000s, no one would say it was worth watching over ROH during that same period. I know it's not much for a company that has existed as long as TNA has, but I would say late 2007/early 2008 TNA was more enjoyable to watch than ROH. TNA was really pushing their Knockouts as actual, serious wrestlers with the introduction of the Knockouts Title and the great Gail Kim - Awesome Kong feud, the Beautiful people were coming into their own, the X-Division was still more than just an afterthought, and in the main event scene you'd pretty much always get a good main event out of either combination of Angle, Joe, AJ, Christian and no Jarrett. Whereas on the ROH side this was when Gabe had gone completely insane with stables. Yes, the AOTF was a great stable and angle. No Remorse Corps? Good bunch of dickish heels. Hangman 3? Yeah, they are okay, but already getting quite a bit weaker. Vulture Squad? Okay, guess you need a stable of random flippy dudes as well, I guess. The Resilience? LOL. Yes, you had the start of Nigel's title reign when it was still enjoyable before he turned in McLariat, but the title often felt like less important than the whole stable BS. Again, it's only a short period of time, but it's not like TNA never was better to watch than ROH.
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Lid posted:TNA is just fascinating in retrospect, yes I know it still exists but after a decade it does seem Impact and TNA are distinct entities. I mean, during TNA's peak Ring of Honor was also at its in-ring peak, & ROH's peak was much higher, yeah. But that's not really a knock on TNA in isolation because ROH at that point was maybe the 2nd best promotion in the world between 2004 & 2006 (NOAH is who I'd say were number 1 but if you want to make a case for Dragon Gate or a lucha company then cool, this is why I said ROH was maybe 2nd best). 05 through 07 TNA is still pretty watchable TV.
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Germansimp posted:I know it's not much for a company that has existed as long as TNA has, but I would say late 2007/early 2008 TNA was more enjoyable to watch than ROH. TNA was really pushing their Knockouts as actual, serious wrestlers with the introduction of the Knockouts Title and the great Gail Kim - Awesome Kong feud, the Beautiful people were coming into their own, the X-Division was still more than just an afterthought, and in the main event scene you'd pretty much always get a good main event out of either combination of Angle, Joe, AJ, Christian and no Jarrett. Whereas on the ROH side this was when Gabe had gone completely insane with stables. Yes, the AOTF was a great stable and angle. No Remorse Corps? Good bunch of dickish heels. Hangman 3? Yeah, they are okay, but already getting quite a bit weaker. Vulture Squad? Okay, guess you need a stable of random flippy dudes as well, I guess. The Resilience? LOL. Yes, you had the start of Nigel's title reign when it was still enjoyable before he turned in McLariat, but the title often felt like less important than the whole stable BS. Late 2007 early 2008 was maybe Russo at his most deranged and misogynistic. You had so much bad poo poo in there. This is the time of Black Reign and the barbed wire Christmas tree and all sorts of just awful stuff. Yeah you had Gail Kim and Awesome Kong but it was one feud. The Beautiful People were really bad wrestlers and played into the worst of Russo's instincts too. Late 2007 ROH is the end of Morishima's run and the start of Nigel's run and the gang wars have cooled off with the Resilience disbanding. The title was way more important than the stable stuff during this period and Nigel doing Lariats all the time is what made him the best in the world for a period. Late 2009 TNA in the lame duck period before Hogan? Sure. Probably better than ROH. Summer of 2005 TNA during the Summer of Punk, you can argue it if you value in ring over ROH's storytelling at that time. Late 2007 TNA? Some of the worst poo poo ever on TV.
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Yeah, late 2007 had AJ/Angle/Karen "WEDDINGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!" story, "your fired!" and the barbed wire Christmas tree all in very short succession EDIT: how could I forget that awful Roode/Booker angle which led to the Robert Roode weather warning?
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There is literally no point in history where TNA was better than ROH. Not a one. TNA was always terrible, could never draw and always lost money but sat in the No 2 slot by virtue of being able to waste more money than most other companies. There were brief spates where it could be argued that TNA was on the way to being good but TNA always made sure to swerve itself back into being dogshit.
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Gonzo McFee posted:There is literally no point in history where TNA was better than ROH. Not a one. TNA was always terrible, could never draw and always lost money but sat in the No 2 slot by virtue of being able to waste more money than most other companies. There were brief spates where it could be argued that TNA was on the way to being good but TNA always made sure to swerve itself back into being dogshit. TNA was literally a dumping ground for WWE.
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TNA bollocks were much more entertaining than current WWE bollocks
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TNA was way better than the Strong/Richards/Edwards era of ROH.
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Watching that Brock video just reminded me, does anyone have a link to the arches thread? That was always good for a laugh and I thought I had it bookmarked but doesn’t seem to be the case.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:TNA was way better than the Strong/Richards/Edwards era of ROH. Counterpoint: those matches were hilarious and ran alongside the first great Generico vs Steen feud. Somebody post the superplex to suplex outside gif.
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Strong vs Edwards was one of the best matches of the year.
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Germansimp posted:Old B&V shows also make it blatantly obvious that in wrestling, time is a flat circle. I'm currently listening to their old Impact reviews again, and it's eerie how they say that TNA in 2010 is doing all the same mistakes that WCW made in 2000, and you realise that WWE in 2020/2021 in turn is making the exact same mistakes again. Stuff like always bringing in old guys to pop a rating and have them go over the young talents; moving a show to different time slot that a competitor is already in and hot-shotting a bunch of poo poo; parity booking; having storylines go even though the face had already won the feud; people named Vince having too much creative power; etc. For me it's the inability to have people move the gently caress on after a feud. Nobody needs to see Apollo Crews take on Hurt Business for 13 weeks straight. Or AJ Styles face Nakamura for 4 straight PPVs in a row. It's just lazy
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Vince is going to put his Peacock money into Gamestop for a week and then buy AEW.
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Astro7x posted:For me it's the inability to have people move the gently caress on after a feud. Nobody needs to see Apollo Crews take on Hurt Business for 13 weeks straight. Or AJ Styles face Nakamura for 4 straight PPVs in a row. It's just lazy They don't have any planning ahead and are just writing on the fly, so when they're out of ideas, you get AJ and Nakamura punching each other in the dick for half a year.
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:"your fired!" Still one of my most cherished memories  "MY fired!?!  "A talking coyote posted:Watching that Brock video just reminded me, does anyone have a link to the arches thread? That was always good for a laugh and I thought I had it bookmarked but doesn’t seem to be the case. Here you go! 
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Jerusalem posted:Still one of my most cherished memories 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCfDMRC228 Haven't watched the 95 Rumble in a long time, Vince and Jerry not even bothering to name jobbers as they enter is just wild to me.
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Rubber Soul posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNCfDMRC228 I hated that Rumble; they never announced beforehand that they were changing the intervals from 2 minutes to 1.
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Davros1 posted:I hated that Rumble; they never announced beforehand that they were changing the intervals from 2 minutes to 1. The year before was the first time they switched to 90 seconds without warning.
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