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Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006


IF IM NOT BITCHING ABOUT HOW SHITTY MY LIFE IS, REPORT ME FOR MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HIJACKED

Meow Meow Meow posted:

Thanks, I've attempted it half a dozen times over the past few years, all with super simple stuff. Then I took a course in 2019 and the formal training was very much worth it. This is my first really complicated piece and first since taking the course.

Mind giving a sentence or two run through of the process and anything you wish you knew before you started? Looks really great

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
The settling of my 110 year old house means that some of the doors won't latch because the latch and lock mortise is now a few fractions of an inch off. It's too much to just file it a little or wiggle, but not enough to drill new holes and shift it. So I'm going to cut out that whole part of the jamb and glue a new block in and mortise it.
Is there a more efficient way to hog out most of that wood than using a mortise chisel?

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Stultus Maximus posted:

The settling of my 110 year old house means that some of the doors won't latch because the latch and lock mortise is now a few fractions of an inch off. It's too much to just file it a little or wiggle, but not enough to drill new holes and shift it. So I'm going to cut out that whole part of the jamb and glue a new block in and mortise it.
Is there a more efficient way to hog out most of that wood than using a mortise chisel?

That's pretty drastic, friend. I'm assuming the door hinge side is sagging, not the lock side? Sometimes a judicious 3 1/2" deck screw on the top hinge side can tilt/raise the door enough of a fraction to make it click again. If it's the lock side of the jamb that sags, a screw @~ the bottom hinge will lower the door.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Mr. Mambold posted:

That's pretty drastic, friend. I'm assuming the door hinge side is sagging, not the lock side? Sometimes a judicious 3 1/2" deck screw on the top hinge side can tilt/raise the door enough of a fraction to make it click again. If it's the lock side of the jamb that sags, a screw @~ the bottom hinge will lower the door.

It's about 1/8" off.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
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Take a dremel to the hole in the strike plate and make it taller. If need be you can pop the strike plate off and chisel out the underlying hole too. I definitely wouldn't go cutting out the jamb unless I was 100% certain there was no less-invasive option.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Take a dremel to the hole in the strike plate and make it taller. If need be you can pop the strike plate off and chisel out the underlying hole too. I definitely wouldn't go cutting out the jamb unless I was 100% certain there was no less-invasive option.

Yeah, that took five minutes.
I have no idea why my first instinct is always "how can I rebuild this entire thing?" but it is.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe
I had this exact problem in a house I was thankfully renting and first it was the deck screws, then the grinding the plate away, then it was the wall was full of water and the entire room (comically shoddy permitless addition from the 60s) had to be rebuilt (comically shoddily)

ReapersTouch
Nov 25, 2004

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
So, I'd like to build a corner bench that has a built in planter box and a trellis on both sides. Does anyone have any recommendations for any software that would let me design what I want, and tell me what pieces of lumber I need to buy?

Meow Meow Meow
Nov 13, 2010

Harry Potter on Ice posted:

Mind giving a sentence or two run through of the process and anything you wish you knew before you started? Looks really great

Sure, I'll take some more pics and do a little tutorial. Stay tuned.

bobua
Mar 23, 2003
I'd trade it all for just a little more.

Quarantine time going well

https://imgur.com/gallery/489DRXw

McSpergin
Sep 10, 2013

I've got some basic bedside tables planned for my quarantine period, the next trick will be getting the appropriate tools to my place from my partner's place so I can build them :D




Watcha building?

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017

My dumbass opinions are only outweighed by my racism.

No one forgot that I exist to defend violent cops, champion chaining down immigrants, and have trash opinions on cooking.

I must be weird, but I am more interested in the dark wood on the floor and underneath. Walnut?

bobua
Mar 23, 2003
I'd trade it all for just a little more.

McSpergin posted:

I've got some basic bedside tables planned for my quarantine period, the next trick will be getting the appropriate tools to my place from my partner's place so I can build them :D


Watcha building?

Drawers for a new lathe cabinet



Hasselblad posted:

I must be weird, but I am more interested in the dark wood on the floor and underneath. Walnut?

yup

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


I’ve always been sort of interested in a copy lathe because I do a lot of spindle turning but never had a chance to try one to see if they’re worth the money. An old family friend that does woodworking was clearing some stuff out of his shop and wanted his to go to a good home, so now I guess I have a copy lathe. It’s pretty neat. Not sure it really saves much time vs hand turning, but it definitely lowers the skill level required, and the traveling steady rest could be really handy for long, thin spindles like stair parts that really whip around.


Pre-cutter on the left turns it round so it fits in that big steady rest. The actual knife that does the pattern cut is on the backside of the work.



It’s okay? It definitely doesn’t have the detail or crispness of good hand turning, but I think it will definitely be useful, especially once I actually figure out how to use the dang thing. It cuts with basically a round-nose V chisel and it seems to leave a semi-decent surface finish, though sharpening the cutter would probably help.

Who needs a rolling pin? It does cylinders great.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Who needs a rolling pin? It does cylinders great.

Everyone always needs more rolling pins. Thin ones, short ones, long spindly ones. I only have three and I could honestly use another two that would get regular use.

That’s a cool machine. I’d want to think that would make me turn things, but I’m pretty sure I’d need to figure out how to do it in the first place.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?
Does anyone have suggestions for hogging off large amounts of material freehand? Reasonably-priced climbing holds are sold out all over the place, and I'm making some of my own out of wood to populate my home climbing wall.

The geometric ones are conceptually fairly simple, but I'd appreciate some advice on pulling off shapes like this:


I'd love it if there were non-angle grinder (and non-CNC) ways of doing it, but if are angle grinder attachments that aren't the crazy chainsaw bullshit that nearly defingered James Hamilton I'd be up for those too. I'll be making these mostly from scraps, so a mix of plywood and various hardwoods.

Baronash fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 1, 2020

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
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My first thought is to do most of the material with a belt sander clamped down upside-down. Hold the piece in your hand and sand off material to get the shape you want.

You might even be able to do the indentation that the easier holds give you by using the leading edge of the belt, where it curves.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Drill and counter bore your bolt hole, put a bolt through and use that as a handle for the belt sander as described above?

coathat
May 21, 2007

Baronash posted:

Does anyone have suggestions for hogging off large amounts of material freehand? Reasonably-priced climbing holds are sold out all over the place, and I'm making some of my own out of wood to populate my home climbing wall.

The geometric ones are conceptually fairly simple, but I'd appreciate some advice on pulling off shapes like this:


I'd love it if there were non-angle grinder (and non-CNC) ways of doing it, but if are angle grinder attachments that aren't the crazy chainsaw bullshit that nearly defingered James Hamilton I'd be up for those too. I'll be making these mostly from scraps, so a mix of plywood and various hardwoods.

https://www.harborfreight.com/4-1-2-half-inch-carbide-cup-wheel-66613.html

Probably your best bet and cheapest by far. It does leave very rough surface though.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Baronash posted:

Does anyone have suggestions for hogging off large amounts of material freehand? Reasonably-priced climbing holds are sold out all over the place, and I'm making some of my own out of wood to populate my home climbing wall.

The geometric ones are conceptually fairly simple, but I'd appreciate some advice on pulling off shapes like this:


I'd love it if there were non-angle grinder (and non-CNC) ways of doing it, but if are angle grinder attachments that aren't the crazy chainsaw bullshit that nearly defingered James Hamilton I'd be up for those too. I'll be making these mostly from scraps, so a mix of plywood and various hardwoods.
I have an arbortech that goes on my angle grinder and it feels much much safer than my limited experience with the chainsaw versions. The cutters don't go all the way to the edge and that very significantly reduces the chance of a kickback, but you're still gonna be sorry if you run it into your leg. It's definitely still in the category of 'use with appropriate respect for the tool'. I don't know how it would do with plywood, but I would expect fine. They're not cheap, however.

Otherwise yeah, belt sander with a coarse belt and a good dust mask is probably the best bet. cakesmith handyman's suggestion is a good idea. Holding stuff without a good handle to the belt can go wrong very quickly as the sander slings things across the shop and sands a fingernail or two off (ask me how I know!). A big gouge/chisel with a big mallet can also remove material surprisingly quickly in soft, solid wood, but it's going to be useless on plywood.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Don't underestimate how quickly you can remove material with a good sharp rasp. With the advantage of less fine sawdust everywhere.

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

A saw rasp would probably make quick work of those type of shapes. People use them to rough in guitar necks and other roundish type things all the time.

DevNull
Apr 4, 2007

And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky
A human being that was given to fly

I actually have a lot of little scrap pieces of black walnut from some logs I just cut up. I could probably make quite of few of those things.

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Anyone have any tips for finishing ash? I'm working on a desk and wanted a natural finish like an oil but everything just turns it yellow and looks like garbage. Is there a tint I can add or something? Not a huge fan of lacquers and such. I'm not totally opposed to staining it but I'm trying to keep the wood as light as possible. I've seen some finishes where they get the grain darker and the rest lighter but I don't know how they achieve that effect

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?
Thanks for the advice. I think I can borrow a belt sander to crank some of these out and the weather will be decent enough to get outside and prevent some of the sawdust build up.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Dolphin posted:

Anyone have any tips for finishing ash? I'm working on a desk and wanted a natural finish like an oil but everything just turns it yellow and looks like garbage. Is there a tint I can add or something? Not a huge fan of lacquers and such. I'm not totally opposed to staining it but I'm trying to keep the wood as light as possible. I've seen some finishes where they get the grain darker and the rest lighter but I don't know how they achieve that effect

Ash is naturally yellow, so you'll want something with a lot of red in it. There are gel stains, or you can use an oil stain then sand that back with a high grit to get an acceptable color, then topcoat with something clear.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Dolphin posted:

Anyone have any tips for finishing ash? I'm working on a desk and wanted a natural finish like an oil but everything just turns it yellow and looks like garbage. Is there a tint I can add or something? Not a huge fan of lacquers and such. I'm not totally opposed to staining it but I'm trying to keep the wood as light as possible. I've seen some finishes where they get the grain darker and the rest lighter but I don't know how they achieve that effect
Ash stains pretty well for the most part. What color do you want? To kill the yellow and make it browner, add its opposite on the color wheel-violet. That sounds crazy, but I've put straight yellow dye on violet purpleheart to turn it brown before and put straight blue or green on mahogany to kill the reds. You're probably not going to stain your desk violet but it tells you what to add to make browner. Violet is made of red and blue, and while they don't look it, a lot of darker, walnut/mahogany stains tend to have those blue/violet/reds in them. Minwax Dark walnut thinned down (I'd start at 2:1 paint thinner:stain, but you can add more thinner if that's still too dark) is probably a decent place to start on some samples. If you add red like Mr. Mambold suggested you can shift that yellow over to more of an amber/orange, which can look nice and warm. English Chestnut is a nice reddish brown that may be a good place to start.

Getting the grain darker is usually from using a pigment based stain (most minwax/big box store oil stains) because more of the the pigment stays in the grain when you wipe it off. If you really want the grain alot darker, sand lightly after staining like Mambold said. The color won't get sanded off in the grain, leaving it darker than the rest. An oil finish also tends to turn things a little yellow, so that's part of the problem here too. Make some samples and play around with it. A tinted wax after finishing can also help tweak the color and will stay in the grain.

E: Strange photoshops of a woodworking classic courtesy of BYOB:

Kaiser Schnitzel fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Apr 2, 2020

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017

My dumbass opinions are only outweighed by my racism.

No one forgot that I exist to defend violent cops, champion chaining down immigrants, and have trash opinions on cooking.
Wood bitching (again)

A couple months ago I purchased a couple beautiful, no-knot, redwood 2x12x12' boards (from Lowes). I carefully placed them on drying stickers and let them sit. Went to work them yesterday and what should have been 11.25" wide was actually 11" exact. I did what I could without being able to barely shave the sides to the 11" that I actually needed.

Chalk it up to being too dumb to measure at the store?
Blame on shrinkage?
Have a word with Lowes?

I am tempted to do the last one, seeing as the boards were over $50/ea.



edit: Also realized after the fact that my cross-cut sled reduced the depth max of my 6" dado set, which was 50% of the motivation of the sled build. :feelsbad: So now I am trying to figure out if I want to drop the cash on an 8" set.

Thanks, 2020 :argh:

Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 2, 2020

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Hasselblad posted:

Wood bitching (again)

A couple months ago I purchased a couple beautiful, no-knot, redwood 2x12x12' boards (from Lowes). I carefully placed them on drying stickers and let them sit. Went to work them yesterday and what should have been 11.25" wide was actually 11" exact. I did what I could without being able to barely shave the sides to the 11" that I actually needed.

Chalk it up to being too dumb to measure at the store?
Blame on shrinkage?
Have a word with Lowes?

I am tempted to do the last one, seeing as the boards were over $50/ea.



edit: Also realized after the fact that my cross-cut sled reduced the depth max of my 6" dado set, which was 50% of the motivation of the sled build. :feelsbad: So now I am trying to figure out if I want to drop the cash on an 8" set.

Thanks, 2020 :argh:

That's totally loving normal, so if you want to I.D. yourself as a green (little dadjoke here) noob, by all means call Lowe's and bitch. The best time to obtain wood at its driest in the U.S. anyhow, is in winter. In the U.K. they get crazy rain all during then. I'm kinda astonished you even had redwood available, it's sorta on the endangered/protected list.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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Waves of Steel
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Fun Shoe

Mr. Mambold posted:

I'm kinda astonished you even had redwood available, it's sorta on the endangered/protected list.

It's readily available in California, people make fences out of it all the time because it's rot-resistant. I haven't seen 2x material made from it but fenceboards are everywhere. I think it's the Sequoia redwoods specifically that are protected?

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Coast redwood (the redwood that is sold commercially-giant sequoia are bad timber trees with very weak wood)is listed as an endangered species on the IUCN. There are a few hundred thousand acres of privately owned, commercially managed, second and third growth redwood forest, as well as a bunch of old growth in protected state/federal parks and forests. It’s a fast growing tree (and I think on good sites has a growth rate comparable to dougfir or loblolly pine) and should have a secure future as a managed timber tree.

I’m more familiar with the IUCN listed longleaf pine in the southeastern US, but it’s a similar situation to redwood. In both cases it has a lot to do with the way the IUCN considers species ‘in the wild’ and looks at current range vs. historical range. There are very few (if any) ‘wild’ old growth Longleaf forests left, but plenty of second growth, managed forests. Do those count as in the wild or not? How wild are the second growth forests of the Southeastern US? It is possible that depending on your definition, longleaf pine is already extinct in the wild or certainly critically endangered, despite there being millions of longleaf trees growing over hundreds of thousands of acres, and more and more landowners planting and managing for longleaf every year. Endangered ‘in the wild’ doesn’t, at least in the US, seem to necessarily translate into ‘no longer commercially viable’

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
Is there a guide/chart for how much weight I can safely screw into a wall stud based on screw size, number of screws, etc?

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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No idea, but personally my gut feeling is I'd be uncomfortable putting more than, oh, 50 pounds on a single stud, by any method of attachment. Anything more than that should be distributed across multiple studs IMO.

You can probably find shear strength ratings for screws of different dimensions somewhere online. Hell, the manufacturer probably knows what they are.

Super Waffle
Sep 25, 2007

I'm a hermaphrodite and my parents (40K nerds) named me Slaanesh, THANKS MOM

dupersaurus posted:

Is there a guide/chart for how much weight I can safely screw into a wall stud based on screw size, number of screws, etc?

Its pretty simple if you're willing to do some math. Find the shear strength of the material of the screw (assuming steel, go with 50,000psi) and multiply that by the minimum cross sectional area of the screw. Thats roughly how much weight the screw can hold (in pure shear). Add screws as necessary.

This is all assuming the screws fail before the stud does :v:

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017

My dumbass opinions are only outweighed by my racism.

No one forgot that I exist to defend violent cops, champion chaining down immigrants, and have trash opinions on cooking.

Mr. Mambold posted:

That's totally loving normal, so if you want to I.D. yourself as a green (little dadjoke here) noob, by all means call Lowe's and bitch. The best time to obtain wood at its driest in the U.S. anyhow, is in winter. In the U.K. they get crazy rain all during then. I'm kinda astonished you even had redwood available, it's sorta on the endangered/protected list.

So I should not expect my 12" common size to be close to 11.25"? :psyduck:

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

No idea, but personally my gut feeling is I'd be uncomfortable putting more than, oh, 50 pounds on a single stud, by any method of attachment. Anything more than that should be distributed across multiple studs IMO.

You can probably find shear strength ratings for screws of different dimensions somewhere online. Hell, the manufacturer probably knows what they are.

Super Waffle posted:

Its pretty simple if you're willing to do some math. Find the shear strength of the material of the screw (assuming steel, go with 50,000psi) and multiply that by the minimum cross sectional area of the screw. Thats roughly how much weight the screw can hold (in pure shear). Add screws as necessary.

This is all assuming the screws fail before the stud does :v:

50 pounds as a rough estimate covers my needs well enough, and matches what I'm finding googling (though it's hard to get some straight numbers). Is my box of 8x3" wood screws what I want, or should I go thicker?

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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dupersaurus posted:

50 pounds as a rough estimate covers my needs well enough, and matches what I'm finding googling (though it's hard to get some straight numbers). Is my box of 8x3" wood screws what I want, or should I go thicker?

#8 screws are pretty beefy; I wouldn't expect to have trouble with them. But what exactly are you trying to do?

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

#8 screws are pretty beefy; I wouldn't expect to have trouble with them. But what exactly are you trying to do?

Hanging something for ~25 pounds of cats to climb on. The prototype is a box about 7" deep, and only big enough for one stud.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

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Yeah, a couple of #8 screws should be fine for that.

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JEEVES420
Feb 16, 2005

The world is a mess... and I just need to rule it

Hasselblad posted:

So I should not expect my 12" common size to be close to 11.25"? :psyduck:

Never assume anything from dimensional lumber from big box stores. If I am grabbing any kind of wood (even 2x4s and sheet goods) I first go over to the tools section and grab a tape measure. Just don't be a dick, put it back where you got it when you're done.

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