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From Empire Strikes Back and Jedi as a kid in my head I always just assumed the Emperor looked like that because he was older than a person would normally get because of using the force. Same with Yoda, as a kid I always thought that like, that was just what a human would look like if a human lived to 900.
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I think he always looked like that and let’s down his “human “ mask because he’s making his play and there is no reason to hide
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The thread subtitle is still "New Trilogies Until You're Dust" and it still makes me LOL at how effectively Disney ran the idea of a theatrical Star Wars film into the ground.
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As comforting as it is to believe otherwise, I'm feel confident that Corporate Star Wars is merely convalescent and not dead.
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May 26, 2021 02:24
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Schwarzwald posted:As comforting as it is to believe otherwise, I'm feel confident that Corporate Star Wars is merely convalescent and not dead. I am interested to see, now that Disney has super committed to all these D+ shows, how soon after theaters get to the point of being fully open/no longer distancing that we do hear about a new Star Wars movie.
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Neo Rasa posted:I am interested to see, now that Disney has super committed to all these D+ shows, how soon after theaters get to the point of being fully open/no longer distancing that we do hear about a new Star Wars movie. This summer I think It’s time
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Neo Rasa posted:The thread subtitle is still "New Trilogies Until You're Dust" and it still makes me LOL at how effectively Disney ran the idea of a theatrical Star Wars film into the ground. Perhaps given the usual tone about Star Wars nowadays: The Star Wars Spoiler Thread: Still Mad About All These Star Wars
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May 26, 2021 04:03
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Tried watching the Sequel Trilogy after only seeing those movies once when they came out. Got about 10 minutes into The Last Jedi before giving up. What the gently caress is this poo poo. I hate every character, none of them matter, why did they gently caress everything up so much
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May 26, 2021 17:20
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https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1397561138263515136 same thing that the showrunners for Picard: Season One said, but with an entire Star Wars trilogy budget. People so high on their farts that they think they can figure it out as they go, like they're their characters in their stories who are supposed to be resourceful or whatever
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May 26, 2021 19:10
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This whole “having a plan” thing is a weird internet meme that started because of the MCU (similar to the “Lucas is a hack” revisionism). Before that, there was no suggestion that filmmakers must create master plans for their film series. The movies didn’t suck because of a lack of a plan. They sucked because they had no creative imagination or conviction whatsoever. Whatever your feelings on VII and VIII, the failure of IX wasn’t a foregone conclusion due to lack of foresight. VIII did not foreclose on the potential for an interesting sequel. They just lack will. Like, Ridley Scott didn’t give James Cameron an outline for Aliens. James Cameron is just a good filmmaker with ideas. Edit: like, Lucas pretty famously had plans for the OT and beyond that ended up getting tossed and instead we got ROTJ. His foresight and planning didn’t exactly work out. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 20:30 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 20:27
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JJ just isn’t all that great . I mean he’s fine and delivers adequate block busters but as you say above they aren’t important The last Jedi was good tho
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May 26, 2021 20:34
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"We have a plan" is going to be the "real sets" marketing push for episodes 10-12 and I'm preemptively sick of hearing it
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May 26, 2021 20:34
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The mcu didn’t even really have a plan. I mean the plan was “vaguely follow the Infinity Guantlet comic books “ The last movie still ended up incomprehensible
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May 26, 2021 20:37
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Seth Rogen Remains ‘Confounded and Plagued’ by George Lucas’ Belief the World Would End in 2012 Why does Rogen still believe George Lucas was serious about the world ending? Allow the comedian to explain. https://www.indiewire.com/2021/05/seth-rogen-george-lucas-world-ending-2012-1234635822/ Seth Rogen has long maintained that George Lucas actually thought the world would come to an end in 2012. The story goes that Rogen and his writing, directing, and producing partner Evan Goldberg were at a meeting with Steven Spielberg when Lucas showed up unannounced and informed the group about the impending apocalypse. As a recent GQ profile on Rogen explained, Lucas either thought the entire world would come to an end or, “at the very least, that everything west of the San Andreas Fault would soon sink into the ocean.” As Rogen said in a 2011 interview, “George Lucas sits down and seriously proceeds to talk for around 25 minutes about how he thinks the world is gonna end in the year 2012, for real. He thinks it. He’s going on about the tectonic plates and all the time Spielberg is rolling his eyes, like, ‘My nerdy friend won’t shut up, I’m sorry.'” The Lucas story naturally makes its way into Rogen’s new book, a collection of essays titled “Yearbook.” Rogen remembers Goldberg asking Lucas if he really thought the world would end in 2012, to which Lucas allegedly responded, “I know it’s gonna happen…it’s science. And I know science.” Lucas has said that he was joking, thus Rogen admitted to GQ that the “Star Wars” creator “will not be happy” with the upcoming book. “We [made] a joke like, if you’ve got a spaceship to escape Earth, can we get a seat on that thing?” Rogen said. “And he was like, ‘No.’ It makes me think he wasn’t joking because, if you were joking, you would just say ‘Yes’… But, no, he said, ‘No.’ To this day, I am confounded and plagued by that story.” And now you know the real reason he sold Star Wars.
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May 26, 2021 21:50
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Star Wars ‘77 ended without any idea that there would be two more films to complete the trilogy. Force Awakens ended knowing there would be two more films to complete the trilogy. If you are expecting (planning) to make a trilogy and the first film is structured around that idea, it would be wise to know where the story is going. On the other hand, Abrams probably DID plan it out, but Rian Johnson did away with it all with TLJ, so it’s moot
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May 26, 2021 21:56
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If not a plan then at the very least there should have been a supervising figure making sure the directors weren't just crossing out each others work between every film. Shouldn't something like that have been Kathleen Kennedy's direct job role?
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May 26, 2021 22:03
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Johnson crossed out the right things. gently caress snoke, and everyone who liked him, and gently caress Rey’s parents, and everyone who liked them.
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May 26, 2021 22:05
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It's bizarre that people still confuse the idea of "Rey Nobody" with "TLJ says it doesn't matter". Revealing she's Rey Nobody from Nowhere doesn't mean that it's not important - it's incredibly important. It's all moot now because of ROS but this has always been weird to me TFA set up a bunch of curtains and promised that things would eventually be put behind them (who is Snoke? who is Rey? what's Luke's deal) to be revealed. Only the snoke thing is really a case of Rian pulling down the curtain and admitting there was nothing behind it. He realized that snoke was just a stock character cartoon puppet and that kylo is the interesting bit. Sometimes I wonder if the vader twist in empire just doomed the direction of the whole franchise. Disney has been trying to chase the high of that reveal this whole time. Even the second season of the puppet show just devolved into a weekly cameo reveal
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May 26, 2021 22:28
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Part of the genre tho is continually adding twists and new characters etc . It’s just Star Wars
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Rian agrees, that’s why there’s 19 twists in that movie. My expectations were subversed as gently caress
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nah posted:Rian agrees, that’s why there’s 19 twists in that movie. My expectations were subversed as gently caress Yeah I enjoyed it too
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May 26, 2021 22:34
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I definitely did not expect a StarWar to open up with sketch comedy but drat that subversed me big time. Thank god that hack will never make another one of these movies
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Are you referring to dialog which acted as an efficient characterization of Poe and hux.
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If you think the jokes in tlj fall flat you should watch the empire strikes back for some heavy cringe
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No, that is incorrect
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May 26, 2021 22:44
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There was probably a window with the sequels to try to do a different thing. The old EU had the heavy military fiction focus angle right there for them to lift from for just one example. Anecdotally from bringing it up here and elsewhere sengoku star wars seems like a pretty good pitch. But disney was always going to be too risk averse for that, the order of the day was inevitably going to be regular fixes of the OT until only the cartoon loving zoomers survive
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May 26, 2021 22:45
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euphronius posted:If you think the jokes in tlj fall flat you should watch the empire strikes back for some heavy cringe The jokes mostly land. Han messing up the security call is legit great. Poe doing a mom joke is terrible.
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The Last Call posted:Seth Rogen Remains ‘Confounded and Plagued’ by George Lucas’ Belief the World Would End in 2012 if he was joking (he was) the funnier response there is definitely to say ‘No’. for a guy that is an extremely funny writer seth rogen has some extremely poor comic instincts
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Vintersorg posted:The jokes mostly land. Han messing up the security call is legit great. Poe doing a mom joke is terrible. I like the characters that make jokes in ESB. I do not give a poo poo about a “Poe” or a “Hux” or any of the dogshit in the sequels
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CelticPredator posted:Johnson crossed out the right things. gently caress snoke, and everyone who liked him, and gently caress Rey’s parents, and everyone who liked them. Half of the film’s runtime is devoted to Snoke doing Snokey things and Rey thinking about her dumb parents. Making Snoke and the parents entirely new characters was only half of the equation. The other half was to make them remotely interesting enough to justify the runtime devoted to them. That was only achieved with the cloned Snoke reveal, in Episode 9.
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Vintersorg posted:The jokes mostly land. Han messing up the security call is legit great. Poe doing a mom joke is terrible. That wasn't in Empire Strikes Back.
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Vintersorg posted:The jokes mostly land. Han messing up the security call is legit great. Poe doing a mom joke is terrible. Wrong movie
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Jewmanji posted:This whole “having a plan” thing is a weird internet meme that started because of the MCU (similar to the “Lucas is a hack” revisionism). Before that, there was no suggestion that filmmakers must create master plans for their film series. The movies didn’t suck because of a lack of a plan. They sucked because they had no creative imagination or conviction whatsoever. Whatever your feelings on VII and VIII, the failure of IX wasn’t a foregone conclusion due to lack of foresight. VIII did not foreclose on the potential for an interesting sequel. They just lack will. I think this is a good point, although tbf most movies aren't planned as a definite part 1, 2 & 3 of a trilogy right out of the gate. Like Aliens was made 7 years after Alien, and even then it wasn't like they were like "okay this is the next film in the Alien arc and we are going to do one every year for the foreseeable future". I don't think they needed everything planned out meticulously, but if you're going to a three movie saga over the course of 5 years you shouldn't be rapidly changing poo poo because the internet got mad at you either
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Are there instances in the OT of the characters trying to be funny to each other? My recollection is most of the humor is wry one-liners for the enjoyment of the audience, not the characters in the film. In TLJ I can picture Poe getting back to the hangar, nudging his buddies and saying, "Hey, did you hear that 'your mom' joke I pulled on Hux? Pretty great right?" I don't think the OT really had any lines where the characters were trying to humor one another which might be why the TLJ approach is such a sticking point for fans.
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May 27, 2021 00:27
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He was stalling for time It had a “tactical realist” function and also characterized him Jesus Christ lmao
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nah posted:I like the characters that make jokes in ESB. I do not give a poo poo about a “Poe” or a “Hux” or any of the dogshit in the sequels Not just this, the jokes and light-hearted moments in ESB remind us that we like these characters and endear them to us, which makes it more impactful when really bad stuff starts happening to them.
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When people say “plan” they mean “has creative direction and central themes”. Lucas didn’t have it all meticulously plotted out but he knew what he was trying to say and where he was trying to go.
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galagazombie posted:When people say “plan” they mean “has creative direction and central themes”. Lucas didn’t have it all meticulously plotted out but he knew what he was trying to say and where he was trying to go. Right. But then they say the mcu? Had a plan so . I don’t know
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Skrill.exe posted:Are there instances in the OT of the characters trying to be funny to each other? My recollection is most of the humor is wry one-liners for the enjoyment of the audience, not the characters in the film. Lando faking Han out on the landing pad comes to mind.
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I don't read. Still, Empire's humour lands a bit better. For instance, Luke smirking about getting the kiss and pissing off Han.
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