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Steve Yun posted:What’s the back story on Linda Montanti She's a career assistant director. Which usually means your great at project managing and scheduling but too unlikable to get the backing to make the jump to producer.
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Holy poo poo, she was the 1st AD on The Barber. Pretty much all of you guys don't know, but The Barber was a feature that was made through my film school's independent film production wing (know a few people who worked on it), and it ended up being the only film released before it got shut down because it turned out to be a money laundering operation. The movie itself is terrible but I digress.
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https://twitter.com/nerdist/status/1697336120856465776?s=46 https://nerdist.com/article/amc-net...ume-production/ AMC strikes a deal to let three shows continue production under SAG demands (doesn’t apply to the whole studio) Who was it that caved first during the 2008 writers strike? Lionsgate?
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Steve Yun posted:https://twitter.com/nerdist/status/1697336120856465776?s=46 Weinstein I think?
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https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1697737809715413173quote:SAG-AFTRA plans to send a strike authorization vote for the video game industry after they failed to meet the needs of video game actors.
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Steve Yun posted:https://twitter.com/nerdist/status/1697336120856465776?s=46 Man, its weird seeing Norman Reedus without a baby strapped to his chest.
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https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1697739694354969007?s=46 Gotta strike when it’s hot
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Steve Yun posted:https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1697739694354969007?s=46 Literally two posts above you.
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Sep 2, 2023 12:18
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That one says they were planning to vote, mine was that the vote happened
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Steve Yun posted:That one says they were planning to vote, mine was that the vote happened No, it's a rephrasing of the same thing: The SAG-AFTRA board of directors unanimously sent a strike authorization vote to the membership regarding video games. The authorization vote being sent to the membership, if it passes, allows the board / negotiating committee to call a strike. Right now, SAG-AFTRA is scheduled to have its next meeting with video game publishers on September 29. Presumably a strike would be called on September 30 if they have the votes and the publishers are telling them to eat poo poo. Timby fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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Sep 2, 2023 12:33
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You gotta' wonder if the videogame executives have seen the groundswell of support the actors are getting and blink, or if they're counting on the gaming community to continue to suck corporate dick and fight everybody who says literally anything is a problem with a product they want.
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I'm not really sure if SAG-AFTRA have the same amount of leverage here. Hollywood doesn't work without actors but tons of video games can and do work without VA's or motion capture. It's absence might be noticeable in AAA titles but I doubt that would be a deal-breaker to most of the people actually buying this stuff. Edit: Just to be clear; I'm rooting for the actors here, I'm just not as optimistic about their chances there as I am with the current Hollywood strike. The video game industry is notoriously un-unionized and some of the biggest names in that business are already guilty of some incredibly ruthless poo poo. I guess we'll see how things shake out if it even comes to that though. MechanicalTomPetty fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Sep 3, 2023 |
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I'm not really sure if SAG-AFTRA have the same amount of leverage here. Hollywood doesn't work without actors but tons of video games can and do work without VA's or motion capture. It's absence might be noticeable in AAA titles but I doubt that would be a deal-breaker to most of the people actually buying this stuff.
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LividLiquid posted:You gotta' wonder if the videogame executives have seen the groundswell of support the actors are getting and blink, or if they're counting on the gaming community to continue to suck corporate dick and fight everybody who says literally anything is a problem with a product they want. It's hard to predict, really. The 2016-17 voice actors strike didn't have a huge impact on the industry, but that was also a long time ago, and, for example, actors themselves doing motion and facial capture wasn't nearly as common as it is now. So we don't really have a data point to compare against.
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LividLiquid posted:Only AAA developers were named. I see that, and I'm sorry if that came across as overly-broad. I guess maybe a better way of putting it would be that they could theoretically churn out a new video game and reap in the profits with or without SAG-AFTRA. They might not be able to rely on stuff where ultra-realism is the entire point but there's options available to them that aren't really there for Hollywood right now.
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I'm sure Activision or whoever can slap a new year/title on last year's Call of Madden and buy some time.
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I don't know much about the games industry but most big games have full voice acting these days and are those actors part of the guild? Anyway these strikes have really hosed us over in vfx. No new shows on the horizon, by December probably 90% of the industry will be unemployed. And it will take 6 months for production to start getting footage to vfx facilities after the strikes end. So thats a long long time for a lot of people to be unemployed. That's supervisors losing their houses lengths of time and a huge exodus of people on work permits who will have to go back to their home countries. Over the past couple years so many people from China and India and Mexico and Korea and Taiwan moved to Canada for vfx jobs. Now many of them are in danger of having to go back. I don't blame the actors or writers at all. And I think most the employees are just annoyed at this huge upheaval. But a lot of vfx supervisors, guys who own houses they are in danger of losing, are turning on the actors and writers with a lot of impotent rage. Maybe because they have to work on set with them sometimes, and vfx guys are like the lowest on the totem pole despite our industry being integral to all the big films and being the largest line item on blockbuster movies. Ccs fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 4, 2023 |
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Sep 4, 2023 02:24
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Sounds like you all should unionize
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Ccs posted:But a lot of vfx supervisors, guys who own houses they are in danger of losing, are turning on the actors and writers with a lot of impotent rage. Why, in your experience, are they targeting the writers and actors and not the executives?
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to be fair their understanding of crab mentality may be slightly different https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE0wfjsybIQ
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Sounds like you all should unionize  Open Source Idiom posted:Why, in your experience, are they targeting the writers and actors and not the executives? From my experience in VFX back in the day, the folks who are supervisors now were working along side me then. A WHOLE LOT of them drank the flavor aide. "I'm doing just fine, therefore we don't need to unionize." My "fondest" memory of the time is pointing out to my coworkers that our unpaid overtime, late on a Saturday night of crunch, was in violation of California labor laws. That we were mis-categorized as contractors, since we were currently working on company machines, in the company office, on the company schedule. Management didn't have to lift a finger. My coworkers banded together to call me a complainer. Not a team player. A week later a coworker died when he fell asleep behind the wheel driving home after yet another 100 hour week. No one did anything to change our conditions. I no longer work in VFX. VFX has desperately needed a union since 1991.
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A lot of industries need unions
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CaptainCrunch posted:My "fondest" memory of the time is pointing out to my coworkers that our unpaid overtime, late on a Saturday night of crunch, was in violation of California labor laws. That we were mis-categorized as contractors, since we were currently working on company machines, in the company office, on the company schedule. Been there friend. Had a coworker tell me that "ethics don't pay the bills". Insane thing to say in context of being an underpaid worker. Sorry to hear about your coworker's death. Horrific.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Been there friend. Had a coworker tell me that "ethics don't pay the bills". Insane thing to say in context of being an underpaid worker. Yeah. It sucks all around. I wasn't close to the guy, but it sucked. It sucked more that he wasn't the only one. I think, like 2 others went out the same way within the year. I lost a lot of my enthusiasm for... everything... around then. So. Yeah. I'm rooting for the WGA, SAG and the nascent on-set VFX folks jamming a goddamn shiv in and wedging poo poo open for everyone else.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Been there friend. Had a coworker tell me that "ethics don't pay the bills". Insane thing to say in context of being an underpaid worker. No one should die due to their work. Assuming the work is legal at least. I can only assume the coworker didn't want to get fired regarding that statement. Technically s/he can't be (IANAL) but odds are every employee in every company have their transgressions logged then when the money is affected spring the termination on them citing the noted reasons. Some countries may have stricter laws on this but if the cost of doing business values removal, they'll do it without question.
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It doesn’t help that so many people technical and technical-adjacent jobs are libertarian as gently caress. When I used to work as a programmer in another lifetime, every single person in my office as an extreme Ron Paul libertarian.
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I'll admit that I voted for him in two closed primaries but my state is a fait accompli for the Democrats in presidental elections so I knew it wouldn't matter. There's only 5 states that aren't anyway. As for the strikes, what exactly is the endgame for the AMPTP? Nothing but CGI films with AI writing?
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Island Nation posted:As for the strikes, what exactly is the endgame for the AMPTP? Nothing but CGI films with AI writing? Pretty much, yeah. Mass produced content, made to chase successful trends on smooth schedule. With no creatives with their 'ideas' and 'themes' getting in the way. If you're an executive who's only talent was saving a company money, you probably don't realise the vast gulf between a good film and great one, never mind the gap between an actual film scene and whatever the Flash was doing with the AI generated alternate universes (consider the equivalent scenes in EEAO or even the Dr Strange film). When Bob Iger says something like 'I think Black Panther is as good as any film Martin Scorsese made' (I'm paraphrasing but I'm pretty sure he said that) that might not be marketing. He may actually think that it's true. Because, if you analyse Black Panther in some sort of objective, checklist way, it ticks all the good movie boxes. Ergo, it must be really good. There's a story that went around in the 90s about the opening weekend of 1995 Jean Claude Van Damme vehicle 'Sudden Death.' It was one of many 'Die Hard but X' films made in that era, set in an Ice Hockey stadium. Anyway, it wasn't good and did poorly and the story goes that an executive who'd greenlit the project was overheard yelling 'how did it fail? we had so many hostages.' And I think that's basically the outlook. You put more of something in, something that was also in another, already successful film, and expect it to do far better.
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A lot of executive behavior makes a lot more sense when you remember that the vast majority of high-level executives are fundamentally uncreative people working in a creative industry, and they find the quirks and unpredictability of working with creative people to be a deeply frustrating inconvenience that they would pay any amount of money to numbers fuckstein their way out of dealing with.
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A great story I heard from Adam Green (hatchet slasher guy) is he worked on this show with Kelsy Grammer, and ended up in the writers room and listened to that whole thing, and an exec came in and said "So this scene, that takes place in the morning...could it take place in perhaps mid afternoon?" Literally no reason for that, no point to it, because...who cares... but Grammer said "yes! Great idea!" and moved on and changed nothing. These morons want to be loved. But they have stupid personalities. They're Michael Scotts.
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You remember when those derivative and somewhat alarming Elsa and Spiderman youtube videos for super young children proliferated on youtube a few years ago? The goal is that except under copywrite.Snowman_McK posted:Anyway, it wasn't good and did poorly and the story goes that an executive who'd greenlit the project was overheard yelling 'how did it fail? we had so many hostages.' And I think that's basically the outlook. I'm reminded of how The Chronicles of Riddick has a solid bit sequestered from the main plot where Riddick is captured and escapes from a prison planet, which was put in because execs thought there was an audience for Vin Diesel but only when he's escaping from prison.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm reminded of how The Chronicles of Riddick has a solid bit sequestered from the main plot where Riddick is captured and escapes from a prison planet, which was put in because execs thought there was an audience for Vin Diesel but only when he's escaping from prison. It's also by far the best bit of the movie, sometimes the system works
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Schwarzwald posted:
while i personally liked the necromongers and attempt at epic scifi, riddick didnt really belong there (see the sequel to Chronicles rapidly aborting that storyline) so good on the executives. the fire planet section is really good and the furyan plot was dumb as gently caress.
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Oh good I felt the same way, the prison planet escape was the best part of the movie (I too loved the Necromongers but that part felt a bit like putting Conan against the Red Wizard of Thay, if that makes any sense)
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Conan once met an alien, in the classic Howard short story "The Elephant in the Tower".
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Davros1 posted:Conan once met an alien, in the classic Howard short story "The Elephant in the Tower". Yeah but that fella was genuinely rocked and a Wizard's plaything. I read that story to my son (as well as a few other kid appropriate ones, like the God in the Bowl and Rogues in the House) and he loved 'em. Conan's still got it.
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Bullying works https://twitter.com/wgaeast/status/1703427679821717949?s=46
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