King Burgundy posted:

Yeah, my only issue is that we might be just about out of time. The scum teams have killed all the summons, they might be about to hit us with something crazy.

I'm still tempted to do what I said earlier and let the lurkers lurk and when they ruin the game maybe Pig will actually include anti lurker rules in his next game instead of allowing this to be a thing.

Also, because of this thing where everyone is focusing on lurkers, we aren't getting any scum reads and everyone's play is super lazy. I dunno if that's because a lot of you are scum and kicking back until victory or just laziness, but it means the lurker/disengaged numbers are actually growing despite us voting lurkers out.

Asiina posted:

Definitely Town
Asiina
KB

Almost Definitely Town
Inf
Taste
Little Mac
Pander

Had good feelings about once but I can't remember why, pretty null now
Bif

Null to maybe scummy but really hard to articulate why
Gulag
Mithross
Stickup

Why don't you just ask for a drat modkill please
Kashuno
Moat

I'm going to try to go through Gulag, Mithross, and Stickup today to see if there is enough there to actually make a real case, but that doesn't change that there are people who are straight up not playing.

GulagDolls posted:

Do people think pander is town cause of yang claim

GulagDolls posted:

Do people think pander is town cause of yang claim

Pander posted:

What do you think of bif?

Mithross posted:

This is kind of a weird meta read, but Bif and I haven't had a page long setup spec/lore chat yet, which makes me think she's trying to appear more town by avoiding such things.

King Burgundy posted:

But who is scum?

Bifauxnen posted:

I see all these good points on Kash but I'm not sure if I buy them yet, that catchup-posting where he missed KB's confirmed town status was pretty hilarious and I think a bit too clever for him to fake just to look genuinely confused.

King Burgundy posted:

So this was your last post about Kash when he was posting. Why is he scum now?

Also, there are multiple other scum right, who else is scum?

Bifauxnen posted:

That was a while back! But since then all he's done is keep up the same "oh I'm just too busy, I can't be bothered" routine that I've seen him do several times now as scum. I think his recent "oh just modkill me then, I don't care I'll go play Zelda" attitude is just playing it up so we leave him alone.

As for the others, my scumreads are pretty much all dead by now so I want to look at Stickup again. I thought he still looked okay yesterday but I want to see where he stands on all this new info. I mean I took a while to soak in all the Kain stuff myself, but I've still weighed in even though I've got my own share of distractions and Stick's still not shown up.

King Burgundy posted:

So it's no longer too clever for him to have faked?

Moatillata posted:

I refuse to believe that drinking didnt solve the problem

Pander posted:

What do you think of bif?

GulagDolls posted:

I went through your post history

this is a stickup posted:

catching up shortly

Bifauxnen posted:

yeah, I'm thinking now it would be best to try and vote someone outta this clusterfuck at the end of the day, but I can't tell what's going on yet.

pera:
* only seems to mention MMT and Rarity in passing, saying she'll read their jokeposts, then a couple replies to them that don't seem to mean much of anything.

MMT:
* says she believes Rarity is being honest about being Leviathan, but setup specs about the summons maybe being the 3rd alignment
* says "While it's too early to make a hard call on this and I acknoweldge that it's not out of character for pera, I would call that a scum post"
* asks why you thought her and pera were scumbuddies
* says a couple posts later she's leaning town on pera now because:

* goes on to emptyquote Quidthulu's statement that the turbo includes scum on an easy vote.
* did also vote Infinitum after he got on Rarity's case, though...

Rarity:
* softclaims Leviathan right out the gate. Could be trying to build up townie flavor cred early, but I still think this is a bit too risky of a play for scum when it could just be a fakeclaim for the water fiend. Perhaps even more risky for a genuine third party since it shines the spotlight on the nature of their group.
* cast the first vote on pera and got the callouts rolling after the next big pera-post.
* did an about-face and unvoted after allegedly reading the FF3 game and seeing similar pera behaviour. (Fine.)
* later rethought this and voted pera again for having a terrible answer, has been pushing the pera vote ever since

So overall:
pera looks the most individually scummy.

MMT and pera could possibly be teamed - MMT was throwing only minimal shade at pera (I'd call that a scum post, but it's not out of character!) which can then be rolled back as the momentum builds and whoah, now it's all worrying and maybe a scum push

I don't think MMT and Rarity are likely teamed though, since that was a very backhanded "backup" that MMT gave - thinking the Leviathan claim is truthful, but hey it might mean she's 3P, guys. While MMT did vote Inf after he voted, Rarity that could have been more about protecting pera more indirectly by finding a totally new unrelated person to case.

Rarity and pera I don't see as possibly teamed. For them to be on a scum team together, this is what would have had to happen:

* Rarity throws down a first vote and case on pera just for kicks to try and get in some early distance, possibly assuming it will not build up steam or anything on D1
* Rarity then immediately takes back that opinion even though no one else had piled on yet, there was literally just Infinitum with that "WOW" post. This is the part I see as just too crazy. If you're going to bother bussing a scumbud that fast, at least make it worth your while and reap the cred for it instead of making yourself look scummy too while backpedalling for no drat reason
* Rarity then apparently decides to get back on the bus cause now everyone IS piling on, but if you were worried about that anyway why start it in the first place AND try and walk it back in such an awkward way beforehand, it's just nuts.

Mithross posted:

Regarding pander's Bif case, if you think bif is scum, this post looks like it has slips. Bif uses "teamed" and "on a scum team together" instead of "scum" and "scum together", day 1, before the fiend team reveal. By itself it isn't much (it could be awkward language), but it's one more thing.

Pander posted:

Would also vote gulag. I believe your claim.

Not as solid on Fisk. I need to re-read him. A few points kept me from just assuming he's town since he's a vig and definitely not a fiend:

1) Cecil was a Lunarian by birth.
2) Miller -> not-miller claim sounds identical to scum-> godfather.
3) Fiends almost certainly had at least one busdriver (Fisk's claimed vig N1 redirected, makes sense scum would busdrive themselves with someone).
4) NK pattern suggests that the fiends don't have a normal NK. Busdriver could be used to keep them safe from a Lunarian team with extra kills, like say a semi-frequent night-vig.
5) Claiming deathproof really useful for scum to explain why they don't get NKed. Could also be ACTUALLY helpful if it's legit to protect against fiend kills however they manifest.

These are circumstantial and conjecture though. I need to read him.

King Burgundy posted:

Infinitum posted:

Well if you've kicked scum

Who was the scum?

Pander posted:

How would I know?

Infinitum posted:

Wait... you can't even remember who you blocked?




Ok I'm waiting for you to explain this one Pander

Pander posted:

I kicked Lumpen N2 and N3.

His team got RBed.

What are you asking?

Pander posted:

Are you saying you believe that if I kick someone, I'm given the names of everyone of that alignment?

Really?

Bifauxnen posted:

what the gently caress, I'm saying YOU might be overexaggerating if anything

Bifauxnen posted:

Not necessarily. The poison-instead-of-normal-NK thing looks like it might have just been all bullshit to scare off voters since Inf didn't get poisoned, and Quid having a double-doc could easily explain some missing kills here and there. Not to mention your roleblocking them!