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icantfindaname posted:I don't really see how you can respond to Trump if you're Walker/Rubio/Bush and come out ahead. You can't repudiate him for going off-script because you'll look like you're criticizing the base, and you can't try to beat him at his own game. No, if you're already seen as the effective frontrunner, and you've already raised enough money to have a long game, you play to your moderates by bashing Trump. Bush just did this the other day.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:moderates We're talking about the Republican Party here, remember? Besides that 538 article pointed out Trump isn't actually seen as very conservative by the base, only slightly more so than Bush and less than both Rubio and Walker. So in the base's view he's already a moderate
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TheDisreputableDog posted:But even that would have been a violation of the spirit of Obama's campaign message, which was that indefinite detention without legal recourse is wrong, so try the gitmo prisoners, let them go, or ship them to a different country. It's almost as if indefinite detention is harder to get away with inside the United States than on a military base on a island that up until this year Americans were unable to get to easily.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:No, if you're already seen as the effective frontrunner, and you've already raised enough money to have a long game, you play to your moderates by bashing Trump. Bush just did this the other day. I've finally figured out your gimmick. You're Dick Morris, aren't you.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:10
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Chokes McGee posted:I've finally figured out your gimmick. No wonder he always has a foot in his mouth.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:17
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Chokes McGee posted:I've finally figured out your gimmick. He's actually not wrong here - using Trump as a foil is the best move for Jeb right now, strategically. Of course, if Trump ends up getting the better of him during the upcoming debate, then that whole strategy starts to fall apart.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:21
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:No wonder he always has a foot in his mouth. I'm actually Krauthammer, shameful apology for this comment pre-emptively accepted.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:21
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Deofuta posted:You miss out on the amazing catch phrase if you don't include the rule book! We had this game when I was young. Got it as some sort of Christmas present I think. Anyway, we tried playing once but the rules made no drat sense.
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Re: that 538 article I think it's probably true that Trump has reached, or will reach, the peak of his polling support much more quickly than other candidates because of his massive name recognition, and so the rapidity of Trump's rise in the polls is probably not that meaningful. At the same time, I'm not sure Trump's relative conservativeness is that important because I think he's kind of outside the usual framework for those things. I also think it might be wise not to count on 2016 playing out exactly like 2012 in terms of cycling through alternatives to the establishment favorite, at least until we see some evidence that it's actually happening that way. And I also don't think you can take it for granted that all of the potential alternatives will be complete fuckups the way they were in 2012.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Re: that 538 article I think it's probably true that Trump has reached, or will reach, the peak of his polling support much more quickly than other candidates because of his massive name recognition, and so the rapidity of Trump's rise in the polls is probably not that meaningful. At the same time, I'm not sure Trump's relative conservativeness is that important because I think he's kind of outside the usual framework for those things. If his hard, absolute ceiling is 18%, that's massive in this field and enough (if he sticks it through), to be in the top-3 delegate-getters. That would pretty much guarantee a multiple-vote convention because Trump has finally motivated the Nativist wing of the party and it just fragments the field too much.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:No, if you're already seen as the effective frontrunner, and you've already raised enough money to have a long game, you play to your moderates by bashing Trump. Bush just did this the other day.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I'm actually Krauthammer, shameful apology for this comment pre-emptively accepted. You mean the guy with the magical ability to be wrong about literally every single thing to come out of his mouth, for decades straight? Bob Ojeda posted:Re: that 538 article I think it's probably true that Trump has reached, or will reach, the peak of his polling support much more quickly than other candidates because of his massive name recognition, and so the rapidity of Trump's rise in the polls is probably not that meaningful. At the same time, I'm not sure Trump's relative conservativeness is that important because I think he's kind of outside the usual framework for those things. The thing about Trump, like I said earlier, is I don't think he's going to go away, at least not unless he just doesn't want to run. They don't have any way to get rid of him
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I'm in the "nothing matters outside of the first debate" boat. If Trump can avoid imploding his campaign for just threeeeee moooore weeeeeks (a tall order, frankly) and gets into the debate, that's a victory for mankind. Just seeing him up there where all the other Republican candidates have to take him seriously as a peer and engage with his ideas will be worth it, not to mention that just about anything could happen - will someone take a swing at Trump after he cuts them off to insult them? Will he be ejected before the end of the debate for flagrantly breaking the rules? Will a viable candidate get buffaloed into agreeing with some toxic opinion of his? Will the crowd cheer for something so objectively awful that the Republican party as a whole loses face? My friends and I are holding a drinking game for this one for sure. The "finish your drink" section will be yooge, just to cover all the contingencies. Edit: Let's start with "Take a drink every time Trump says huge, classy or luxurious"... VVVV Unless they cut his mic I don't know how they'd stop him talking over everyone anyway, and god help the man who cuts Trump's mic while he's on camera. Dolash fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible.
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Slate Action posted:Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible. Yeah if its a "debate" with 10 people, I imagine more hand raising nonsense. Which will make for great watchin'
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Slate Action posted:Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible. I doubt something as minor as the host never asking him a question is going to stop Donald Trump from speaking.
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Slate Action posted:Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible. They will have him 20 feet from all the other podiums, behind the curtains. During the entire debate you'll hear Trump's muffled ranting.
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Slate Action posted:Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible. Donald Trump's ability and willingness to physically place himself in front of a camera greatly outstrips Ron Paul's
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There is really no way for the Republicans to win with Trump. Try to keep him from the debate or sideline him and it feeds his persecution complex. Let him on stage and just by being there he hurts the party's image. Trump is not going to stay quiet no matter what.
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Trump is going to do awesome in the debate, I'm amazed that some people think he is going to do poorly. Trump is made of straw, there is nothing for the other candidates to go after because there is nothing there but ego and bravado and the conservative base is going to eat it up.
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icantfindaname posted:We're talking about the Republican Party here, remember? There was an Allahpundit oped the other week that laid out the point that Trumps positions don't actually matter so much as its his willingness to fight in the most bombastic way possible. Basically like FDR - background and campaign matter less than rhetoric and what he will do
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A drinking game where Trump mentions how rich he is during a debate will be amazing.
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Slate Action posted:Even if they are forced to let him into the debate, couldn't Fox just...never cut to him? I seem to remember them giving Ron Paul as little face time as possible. Thing is, how much media does Trump demand vs. Ron Paul? If they did that you can be guaranteed that Trump will be on every major morning show talking about how the republican party fears him more than they do Hillary since he's an outsider. If he makes it to the first debate the republican party is hosed in the yoojest and most luxurious way possible... and I can't wipe the loving smile off my face thinking about it.
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Why would fox news try to hide a huge ratings magnet like Trump? I get that they played along with the RNC try to keep him out, but if he's in I expect them to throw their hands up and say "welp, we tried" and then put him front and center.
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Agrajag posted:A drinking game where Trump mentions how rich he is during a debate will be deadly. That's going on the list. Definitely have to finish your drink if Trump unprompted leaves his podium at any point, particularly to get in front of the camera. Or if his mic is cut. Or if someone takes a swing at him... Honestly writing them all down might be impossible, you might just have to use your judgement.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I'm actually Krauthammer, shameful apology for this comment pre-emptively accepted. That's somehow worse, as being Krauthammer means your face is an unlikely cross between an eagle and a vagina.
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HappyHippo posted:Why would fox news try to hide a huge ratings magnet like Trump? I get that they played along with the RNC try to keep him out, but if he's in I expect them to throw their hands up and say "welp, we tried" and then put him front and center. Maybe the purpose of mainstream media isn't actually profit? I mean, given the amount of money most newspapers and broadcasters have been bleeding since the Internet killed advertising, any sane businessman would've pulled out of that market ages ago.
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HappyHippo posted:Why would fox news try to hide a huge ratings magnet like Trump? I get that they played along with the RNC try to keep him out, but if he's in I expect them to throw their hands up and say "welp, we tried" and then put him front and center. Roger "the gays will bomb me" Ailes runs  and is absolutely in the tank for the republican brand along with thinking himself one of the major kink makers in the party. poo poo like Karl Rove's meltdown was more a way to strip Rove of his party standing after the horrible showing in the 2012 election since it both helped shield the republican brand as a whole and made Ailes star rise even more in the party, which are two of the few things Ailes actually cares about.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:But even that would have been a violation of the spirit of Obama's campaign message, which was that indefinite detention without legal recourse is wrong, so try the gitmo prisoners, let them go, or ship them to a different country. TheDisreputableDog posted:I'm actually Krauthammer, shameful apology for this comment pre-emptively accepted. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:... one of the major kink makers in the party. Can't tell if that's a typo or not.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Let's be more specific then: the ban isn't lifted yet, but will be in 6 months. The military is slow as gently caress about these things. You will be able to enlist then. This article will give you some more information. Details are important  And it would be re-enlisting. My gender dysphoria ended up getting the better of me and I had to get out. But if they will let me back in, I'm seriously thinking about doing so. Thanks!
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I dont remember seeing anything about it here, but yesterday Chris Christie was endorsed by Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, which has put Christie on the top of 538's endorsement list for Republican. Being from New Jersey I hate Christie and I'm looking forward to him inevitably ending his campaign but I would love to see him and Trump hash it out in a debate.
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah, maybe you should follow the news Yeah, I do. And I will believe they'll let transgender people in once it happens. It would be great, but I'm not holding my breath 'cause I'm old and cynical.
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Deofuta posted:You miss out on the amazing catch phrase if you don't include the rule book! Signed by Donald GlennnnnnnnnnFS
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A Winner is Jew posted:Roger "the gays will bomb me" Ailes runs Ailes seems like the type to be a fan of Trump's brand of politics. Fox news are true believers no doubt but they also like to get ratings up by playing to the fears of old white conservative men. They don't seem to have much interest in the "reasonable, moderate" conservatives like Jeb! or Romney.
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Hillary's giving a town hall at the moment, however all questions are being asked via rotating standing fan. http://www.c-span.org/video/?327146-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-dover-new-hampshire e: lol "well I guess I'm going to have to address student debt but its gonna cut government revenue!!!"
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Morroque posted:Can't tell if that's a typo or not. Well he is obsessed with "the gays"...  HappyHippo posted:Ailes seems like the type to be a fan of Trump's brand of politics. He might be a fan of his politics, but he's absolutely not a fan of how he's saying it because Trump's rhetoric hasn't progressed passed "
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