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Almost 30% of the young vote going to "others" feels weird; you'd think at least some of these parties would be worthy of mention. Unless the graph only shows parties that got MEPs in the election I guess. DiEM in Greece might not get the one seat after all, at 96.67% of the vote reporting, they are a 2.99% and so just a handful of votes under the 3% threshold.
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YF-23 posted:Almost 30% of the young vote going to "others" feels weird; you'd think at least some of these parties would be worthy of mention. Unless the graph only shows parties that got MEPs in the election I guess. I would guess yes, the threshold in france was 5 %
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May 28, 2019 13:45
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YF-23 posted:Almost 30% of the young vote going to "others" feels weird; you'd think at least some of these parties would be worthy of mention. Unless the graph only shows parties that got MEPs in the election I guess. MEPs only, yeah. Overall ~20% of the vote went to parties under threshold.
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May 28, 2019 13:50
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Kassad posted:For the sake of comparison, here's a map of median earnings per household in Paris in 2011 (blue = higher, red = lower): I'm the blue dick and balls on the left
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May 28, 2019 16:14
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belgian newspaper de tijd has done some analysis based on what type of municipality voted for what party - they took the profile of the 50 municipalities where [party] had best results. the dotted lines are the 2014 profile for that party brown: extreme right vlaams belang red: soc-dem sp.a blue: liberals vld - mostly thatcherian rightwingers, but it's a big tent, there is a small, more redistributionist faction in there, but overall is the party of "more tax cuts". yellow: nv-a - "concerned about migration and reducing green: greens - leftwing but within a free market framework. orange: christian democrats - "centre" right I'm assuming that the pvda isn't there because they didn't succeed in acquiring any seats last time. average taxable income: low income <---> high income  number of population with a migrant background: few migrants <--->many migrants  and population density: low density <---> high density 
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May 28, 2019 19:28
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YF-23 posted:DiEM in Greece might not get the one seat after all, at 96.67% of the vote reporting, they are a 2.99% and so just a handful of votes under the 3% threshold. Good. Varoufakis is narcissistic sociopath who tried to engineer Grexit so he should have as little political influence as possible. And the fact that Sakorafa was opposed to a deal when the alternative was an economic and societal collapse for Greece similar to that experienced by other Balkan states when communism fell shows that she shouldn't be in the European Parliament.
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May 28, 2019 20:22
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Pinterest Mom posted:MEPs only, yeah. Overall ~20% of the vote went to parties under threshold. Do parties in France do coalitions in the EP election to pool their votes and increase their chances to get seats?
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May 28, 2019 20:28
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Factor_VIII posted:Good. Varoufakis is narcissistic sociopath who tried to engineer Grexit so he should have as little political influence as possible. And the fact that Sakorafa was opposed to a deal when the alternative was an economic and societal collapse for Greece similar to that experienced by other Balkan states when communism fell shows that she shouldn't be in the European Parliament. I think that's massively uncharitable. We can agree that the EU, and the Eurozone, are broken. We have seen that not addressing these problems has not been good for anyone, and any progress made within that broken framework is so lacking that SYRIZA got hosed over in the Euroelections for it. Varoufakis saw that in '15, and in his position at that time wasn't really able to affect that change; so the question of Grexit vs the stagnation that we got was a real one. So he's done a good thing by switching gears from national to European politics, because that is the more critical component of the European economy that needs fixing. And I realise that I'm going to the other end and being massively charitable here; but at the end of the day, even if you think he's a narcissistic son of a bitch that wants to be in the spotlight more than anything else, he is still the only one talking about the actual problems of the EU.
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May 28, 2019 20:48
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Slashrat posted:Do parties in France do coalitions in the EP election to pool their votes and increase their chances to get seats? Yeah, the four parties right below the cutoff all had failed negotiations to present joint lists with other parties.
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May 28, 2019 20:53
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YF-23 posted:I think that's massively uncharitable. We can agree that the EU, and the Eurozone, are broken. Literally every country in the Eurozone has had good growth for the past few years except for Greece. The Eurozone is much healthier than you give it credit and it does have improved since the 2010 crisis thanks to new institutions such as the ESM. Problems do still exist but I really don't think that Varoufakis is the man who can diagnose them or propose a coherent solution. After all, the other EU finance ministers have said that in Eurogroup meetings Varoufakis would just keep on lecturing them on economics as if they were undergraduate students instead of actually discussing anything of substance or trying to come up with practical solutions. And let's not forget that his 'solution' for Greece would have led to a massive humanitarian crisis; the other EU member states were literally preparing to start sending emergency shipments of food and drugs to Greece if Grexit happened. I wouldn't trust Varoufakis to try and solve anything.
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May 28, 2019 21:14
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I never knew until now that Schauble was a goon all along.
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May 28, 2019 21:17
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Factor_VIII posted:After all, the other EU finance ministers have said that in Eurogroup meetings Varoufakis would just keep on lecturing them on economics as if they were undergraduate students instead of actually discussing anything of substance or trying to come up with practical solutions. Well yeah. The other finance ministers are all saying "the Mont Pelerin Scrolls say that if all the money of the entire world is fully concentrated in the hands of one single person, then trickle-down will become real, so we need more austerity to make this scenario a reality so the theories on which we have based our policies for the last 40 years will not be failures" and so Varoufakis was teaching them why they're wrong. The first step to coming up with a solution is to understand what causes the problem in the first place. And the problems are that:
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Cat Mattress posted:Well yeah. The other finance ministers are all saying "the Mont Pelerin Scrolls say that if all the money of the entire world is fully concentrated in the hands of one single person, then trickle-down will become real, so we need more austerity to make this scenario a reality so the theories on which we have based our policies for the last 40 years will not be failures" and so Varoufakis was teaching them why they're wrong. Yeah, I'm sure that that's exactly what every finance minister believes. By the way, how do you propose addressing a 15.4% budget deficit for a country that can no longer borrow money? By printing money?
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May 28, 2019 21:44
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Cat Mattress posted:Well yeah. The other finance ministers are all saying "the Mont Pelerin Scrolls say that if all the money of the entire world is fully concentrated in the hands of one single person, then trickle-down will become real, so we need more austerity to make this scenario a reality so the theories on which we have based our policies for the last 40 years will not be failures" and so Varoufakis was teaching them why they're wrong. And don't forget about " we know our whole economic policy is based around a paper with basic math and excel errors, but stop lecturing us, we know how things work in the real world" Of course, they are right.they know how things work in the real world, because the real world is broken, like their brains.
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May 28, 2019 21:48
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Factor_VIII posted:Yeah, I'm sure that that's exactly what every finance minister believes. Depends.are guillotines an option? If not, maybe we can start by identifying the root cause of the problem, and not fall for dumb propaganda like "the problem is public deficit." Maybe we can,as a people , recognize we were duped by these motherfuckers, and as a punishment they should have all their assets striped and used as a kind of repayment and financing of poor countries destroyed by them. Or we can keep doing QE until the end of time, that's basically what we all silently agreed on.its the most stupid option though.
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Factor_VIII posted:Yeah, I'm sure that that's exactly what every finance minister believes. A sensible first step could be to forgive the debt whose interest is a massive part of that deficit, and/or don't destroy the country through austerity afterwards. Also some actual financial market oversight preventing bullshit bonds and speculation /repackaging of toxic assets like Greek debt so the situation can't occur again. Finally, split the euro so that the Southern economies can be freer to get their economies going again. The unified monetary union has been massively destructive even outside of the awful unelected ECB determining policy.
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May 28, 2019 21:59
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MiddleOne posted:I never knew until now that Schauble was a goon all along. Never seen GaussianCopula post here? Anyway, austerity is always bad, the banks that lent Greece money should have been forced to carry far more of the damage of Greece's insolvency than they did in the event, but Greece's public finances and its economy pre-2009 were a complete mess to put it mildly and therefore at least a part of Greece's austerity program was inevitable for the simple reason that it didn't have the money to maintain public spending at the level that they used to have. The ECB should get an emploment mandate and there should be a massive Eurozone budget for countercyclical fiscal policy since, let's face it, there is absolutely no way anyone in Europe is going to leave the euro because that is as good as practically impossible to accomplish in a democratic manner.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Or we can keep doing QE until the end of time, that's basically what we all silently agreed on.its the most stupid option though. Osmosisch posted:A sensible first step could be to forgive the debt whose interest is a massive part of that deficit, and/or don't destroy the country through austerity afterwards. Osmosisch posted:Finally, split the euro so that the Southern economies can be freer to get their economies going again. The unified monetary union has been massively destructive even outside of the awful unelected ECB determining policy.
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May 28, 2019 22:57
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Factor_VIII posted:You don't think that reckless borrowing is a problem? It takes two to tango after all. The ECB QE program ended last December by the way. oh, you sweet summer child. "Today’s decision by the European Central bank has confirmed a long-awaited decision to stop increasing its asset purchases while reinvesting the repayments received from maturing bonds. In essence, the ECB is not really putting an end to QE, but rather it will stop increasing QE. In practice, the ECB will maintain the current size of its portfolio, by rolling-over the bonds: everytime a government or company reimburses, say, one million euros to the ECB, it will use the money to buy another bond of the same amount." I think reckless lending is a much bigger problem, that should wreck the reckless lenders.
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Factor_VIII posted:You don't think that reckless borrowing is a problem? Moral hazard I shouted as I gradually turned into a corn cob. As you put it, you need two to tango. There's no reckless borrowing without reckless lending, and the lenders knew full well what they were doing. Factor_VIII posted:Debt restructuring needs to be part of a solution, which is what happened to Greece, but you also need to keep huge deficits from occurring. Which in a sane currency zone would happen through fiscal transfers, but instead the surplus nations enforced austerity on the deficit countries which dramatically ballooned the debt by shrinking the economy. Factor_VIII posted:A weak currency with high inflation and high interest rates wouldn't help any economy. Eh that's very debatable. It would increase price of imports and protect domestic production, giving an uncompetitive economy like Greece and southern Italy the berth to actually recover after the initial fall. Remember they're not short on human resources, they're short on demand for them. Factor_VIII posted:All the southern economies other than the Greek one are already recovering and the Greek economy had also started to recover in 2014 until SYRIZA came along and wrecked it. Yeah uh no, the thread hashed through this particular misconception in 2015 so many times that I don't think any of us would gain anything from repeating it.
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Varoufakis is an economist. Sadly, he is not a monetary or trade expert, which means he lives in that Dunning-Kruger sweet spot of knowing "everything". In any case, no one did a Grexit, especially anyone who actually had responsibility for people's lives, because it would have been a stupid, stupid idea. In retrospect, we can see why by looking at Turkey. Turkey is actually much better situated, much cheaper internally and much more independent than Greece was at that time. And even then, with currency devaluation which would have been magnitudes worse in a Grexit, poo poo literally hit the fan and they were dealing really barely (and probably badly in the long run). And apart from being run by despots, the Turkish burocracy is at least able to implement policies. Also, let's not forget that before the Euro, Greece was easily paying 23%+ interest. With Grexit, that would have been more, and it would have been impossible to fix that issue, mainly because Greece 2014 ain't Greece 1994. Also, the dependence means that Greece's monetary policy would be restricted by the ECB's actions. It was the same when the Deutsche Mark existed (and this was, after all, the reason why France created the Euro). Only that it would have been much worse with the Euro. Sure, Greece could -> eventually <- export things or whatever, but what? In the short run, the only export would be starving people.
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So I have a gigantic tick on my back that is sucking all my blood. To address the situation, I decide to cut off my arms and legs, so I will need less blood to survive thanks to a smaller body mass. This will make me leaner and therefore better able to deal with the gigantic tick on my back sucking all my blood. Austerity is the light, austerity is the way.
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May 29, 2019 00:22
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Let’s sell the whole country to corporations who pay no taxes and wonder why we have no income.
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May 29, 2019 01:06
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And the airports to a German company. Only the profitable ones tho.
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May 29, 2019 06:51
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I mean, the ports were already sold to Chinese companies, so it's only fair that somebody else get a piece of that sweet sweet infrastructure pie.
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Just loling at the idea that the southern economies are recovering Same as America since 2008, the working class isn't seeing poo poo of that recovery.
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"There's nothing wrong with the EU! The southern economies are recovering!" I continue to shout as Savini and Le Pen's electoral results grow more and more
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It's stunning to me that someone can look at what's happening in south EU and go 'look! improvement!'
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But number go up! How can you say that things aren't really improving when number go up!
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gently caress http://www.ekathimerini.com/241022/article/ekathimerini/news/no-mep-seat-for-diem25
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YF-23 posted:But number go up! How can you say that things aren't really improving when number go up! You see, thanks to trickle down economics, when the average numbers go up it means that the effect is also perceived by the lo faaaaaart.
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YF-23 posted:But number go up! How can you say that things aren't really improving when number go up! european numbers have been mostly stagnating with slight downslope the last 3 or so years lol dax is in an especially dire situation this last year this is despite qe continuing lmfao
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Truga posted:european numbers have been mostly stagnating with slight downslope the last 3 or so years lol I mean it's lost a fair bit over the last year, but even with the losses it's gained 20% over three years to date. Unless another slide comes it's more volatile than losing, and that's with Trump starting his trade war. Not that that helps southern europe one bit.
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Interesting piece on what is going on in Greece, where SYRIZA lost significantly in the European elections and a general election will be held on July 7. However, according to this analysis, less may have changed than one might think:quote:One of the most popular assumptions about the May 26 elections is that it signalled the end of populism, with SYRIZA’s defeat marking the end of its stint in power (to be confirmed in the July 7 national elections). This suggests populism’s star shone briefly in Greece, nicely bookended by SYRIZA’s arrival in 2015 and its departure in 2019. It fits well with a pan-European narrative that is developing about populists either failing to make the advances that many feared/predicted or suffering the wear-and-tear that comes with being in office.
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https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1133129581144055808 Communism is doing a comeback tour?
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They're more like the populist left and don't openly identify as communists (let alone Maosists) these days, as evidenced by the fact that they got more than 1% of the vote.
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"anything left of me is at literally communism" - (c) liberal media 1848-2019
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I like the cat's thousand-yard stare in animal party woman's pic.
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suck my woke dick posted:Ahem. They're both anti-EU and pro-EU, depending who you ask at which time of day. Which major non-retired Tory politician has been pro EU since the referendum? They're all Brexiteers now.
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Truga posted:"anything left of me is at literally communism" - (c) liberal media 1848-2019 Many of the militants would probably be okay with that description, but their electoral talking points consist mostly of generic 'make the rich pay' stuff. That's why they're actually doing somewhat well. They haven't been Maoist for decades.
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