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DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

5x22: Sleeping in Light

Due to real world reasons (it wasn't clear that a season 5 would exist), this episode was actually filmed together with season 4.

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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

5x22: Sleeping in Light

I just want to thank you one more time for a super interesting set of reaction writeups. They've been a joy to read.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

5x22: Sleeping in Light
Closing Thoughts: Babylon 5 is always compared to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. In fact, I may have said before that I first heard about Babylon 5 through buzz about how it "copied" DS9. Aside from taking place on a space station and taking on arcs with galaxy-wide implications, the two series are not at all alike. I was serious when I said that I think I like B5 better: these past few months have been like immersing myself in a really good sci-fi novel with very well-drawn characters - ones you really care about. Not knocking on Farscape at all but I have a feeling that it's just not going to be the same.


Thanks, and I'll see some of you in the dedicated Babylon 5 thread!

While Farscape's tone is frequently VERY different, its characters are exceedingly well drawn. They're really the main draw of the show.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

5x22: Sleeping in Light
Thanks, and I'll see some of you in the dedicated Babylon 5 thread!

:cheerdoge:

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Riven
Apr 22, 2002
I was watching this on my own and kind of testing the waters. Once I got to Sky Full of Stars and Deathwalker I was completely sold and told my wife she needed to join me. We have now made it through Signs and Portents together and that ended with a nice WTF overarching plot hook. Can’t wait to see where THAT goes.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Post your impressions and predictions!!

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Riven posted:

I was watching this on my own and kind of testing the waters. Once I got to Sky Full of Stars and Deathwalker I was completely sold and told my wife she needed to join me. We have now made it through Signs and Portents together and that ended with a nice WTF overarching plot hook. Can’t wait to see where THAT goes.

Better hurry. It appears that the show is leaving Tubi in about a week and a half (I'm guessing in a play by WB to goose sales of the Blu-rays).

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Oh we bought the complete series remastered on iTunes. I had previously gotten it through…other means, to not have commercials, but it was $50 for the whole thing in HD. Seemed worth it.

Riven fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Aug 6, 2023

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Ok I wasn’t really taking notes for ya’lls enjoyment but the opener for Grail now has me doing so. Dunno what the quality will be but I’ll start posting.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E15 Grail

WTF???! Kosh eats brains!
Lol Greys are real. Court case for abduction is a good joke.
David Warner! Can anyone explain the Tron connection JMS has? Is it just Jurasik hooking him up with the other actors? Since I know Boxleitner comes in later.
This guy worked on all five stations. And says if he leaves it’s the end of it “just like the others?” Did he leave the others?
Oh good immediate answers lol.
More Minbari lore, two castes and when they agree bad things happen like wars.
Ok that ain’t actually Kosh. A Feeder pretending so it has leverage over dumb people?
Lol Mollari’s look when Vir says he’s already done the search is one of Jurasik’s best acting moments so far, which is saying something.
Kick their rear end David Warner!
Ah man I would love to have heard Kosh’s reaction to that.
Mind flayer! Great design.
David Warner you got shot in the arm. Man up.
Ah Deuce thought up the trick? I thought the Feeder did. Deuce looked too basic to think that up.
Sinclair: “people are nervous because they don’t know what you look like.” Kosh: “good.” Nice.
That jacket ought to have a scorch mark on the shoulder. Do I just not understand how blasters work on this show?
That’s hosed up Garibaldi. “Don’t blink” hosed up.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E16 Eyes


Does Garibaldi ever get to ride that or is just working on it that’s satisfying?
Recurring character!
Oh I like Lennier and Garibaldi pairing up that’s cute.
Who is this douche?
This barman has amazing mutton chops.
Lol you know him intimately but don’t know he doesn’t drink?
IA?
Oh poo poo new regulations.
You tell’em Ivanovo, gently caress Psi-Corps
There’s no problem with security because Garibaldi runs it rear end in a top hat.
This dude is worse than Bester.
Ok I like Gray though. He laughs at jokes.
Awwwwww Lennier wants to build the bike. This is making the episode ok.
Is this dude really IA? Hm, this is a good way to get all the secret files from B5…
“Colonel Ben Hitler”
Government seems like it’s going to poo poo
Lennier learned Japanese fast.
Having surround sound in the remastered version works well for this creepy dream sequence.
The way this show is utopian is that Sinclair is always able to rules lawyer his way out of stuff.
Of course he’s friends with Bester.
I just realized amid all the Psi Corps stuff we haven’t seen Talia in awhile.
Dude I know you’re trying to be nice but leave Ivanovo the gently caress alone.
This is like a very clever clip show.
Garibaldi may be a bootlicking strike breaker but he is really good as Sinclair’s conscience.
Fuckin politicians
Nice, Ivanova took the improvised weaponry feat.
Lol turning the good guy psi cop against the colonel. I know that Sinclair leaves because of the actor’s mental health struggles and I’m gonna be sad.
“That will be all mister!” “Stop right there mister!”
“Picking trash out of garbage cans to prove who was loyal?”
“Colonel? Pain.” Great example of what psi talent can do that we haven’t seen so far.
Oh poo poo Lennier’s a mechanic.
Noice, alien engine. And a little climate change recognition.
“Get out of here” he starts leaving lol.
Amazing two-up riding there at the end.

Wait they mentioned that poet coming back at the beginning and then she wasn’t here at all. I guess world building, light version.

Riven fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Aug 9, 2023

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Riven posted:

S1E16 Eyes


Lol you know him intimately but don’t know he doesn’t drink?


He was testing him.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E17 Legacies


I love how often the past transgressions and wars come up in realistic ways, like this ship giving Sinclair a PTSD flashback.
And beginning of next episode there’s more psi lore, so I’m excited about that. I thought Talia attacked her to stop her but she passed out from some other psi issue?
That sucks to have to honor the memory of a great leader of a war you were in on the opposite side. I feel like Delenn should be a bit more empathetic than that.
Oh poo poo, THE HERO of the opposite side who led the ship that killed all your friends.
Seeing more between the religious and warrior castes.
Oh there it is, she’s not being empathetic because she’s against it too.
Cool use of sound to get the inside mental effect across.
Ivanova does not want anyone sent to the psi corps. I do love how as much as this is episodic each episode relies on characterization they’ve built
So were the Grey Council more part of the religious caste? And that’s why Delenn is so unhappy with this showing off/rubbing in that the warriors are doing?
Lol body gone and you didn’t want any human security dude, feel like that’s on you.
Oooooh interesting here is the agreement between castes being laid out a bit.
Hah, carrion eaters as a whole group of alien races.
Smooth steal on that comm link.
Gross. Stomach pump.
Narn recruiting her for genetic samples, hahaha
Hahahahaha the Narn homeworld is apparently horrific
Oh it’s the Narn mind.
Look on the Minbari ship, Garibaldi, this is obviously a set up.
Minbari are really bad with idioms
Ok it was an inside job, not a set up.
More Wind clan?
Yep religious va warrior castes.
More rules lawyering. From Delenn now, and a confirmation that gray council is religious caste?
All the heroes of this show are rules lawyers. Gonna loving love it if the giant shadow squids are defeated by quoting rules of physics to them or something.
Goddamn Sinclair. Your humility knows no bounds.
A little sad that they relied on hiring a clearly adult Asian woman to play 14.
What is Chrysalis?


I don’t have time to do real reflections/write-ups of these right now, so the during episode notes are the best I’m gonna be able to do.

CatHorse
Jan 5, 2008

Riven posted:

I don’t have time to do real reflections/write-ups of these right now, so the during episode notes are the best I’m gonna be able to do.

These noes are great! Keep going.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




MikusR posted:

These noes are great! Keep going.

:justpost:

We will see you soon beyond the Rim.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E18 A Voice in the Wilderness 1


Star Wars sequel! Obviously this takes place in the galaxy with Starkiller Base
Delenn giving G’Kar a lot of credit here.
Lol Mollari using physics to explain his own lack of cultural and emotional control
I really can’t wait to see what the long term Centauri/Narn story line looks like
Oh poo poo full revolt in colonies
I like how co pared to Trek this really goes beyond the station. The news broadcast here is really cool to see in a show like this
Sinclair is constantly walking away from food,
More indications that Minbari society is fundamentally changing, is the plot w Sinclair related to this?
Minbari are elves apparently, they go to the sea to move on
Who does Garibaldi still know on Mars? Felt like all his ties have been cut especially with the alcoholism plot a few episodes back
Mollari: BUT WHAT IF THE WHOLE PLANET IS MADE OF GOLD
See Garibaldi being a tube stalker doesn’t pay off
Ah there’s someone left there on Mars
If I help you call your ex will you stop stalking me on the tubes?
Whoa missiles
Stop going that close to the planet dumb dumbs
Ok so is the planet part of the long term story? Why was this planet picked for the Babylon stations and is this tied into at least some of the destruction/disappearances of 1-4?
How many times has Mollari been married lol
Guy who needs help is an old holo from the planet?
Interior planet base, cool
Fuckin paranoid psi-corps, at least they’re gonna help a bit
Hey Sinclair and Ivanova maybe be careful of anti-personnel defense grid too? Since it was firing missiles I’d be going in with marines and armor
And yep first thing they find is soldier’s body
Yup, smart Sinclair, laser defense grid
Super smart figuring out the recharge pattern
Planet interior looks like Halo
Centauri don’t understand childhood development, or maybe just Mollari. Kids need to develop motor skills and right/left awareness, dawg
“Yeah well it’s an imperfect universe.”
And here comes the cliffhanger, BURIED ALIVE
HOLD THE DOOR
How long has this dude been hooked up?
Oh the cliffhanger was not what I expected!

Unrelated and from TKO: as others have noted stuff like not all Narn following the same religion, I liked seeing alien species with multiple skin colors and such.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Hello, posting here to say if you are a die hard Babylon 5 fan then you need to watch Babylon 5: the Road Home, however, do not watch it until after you finish all five seasons.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E19 A Voice…2


What situation are you taking control of?
Ah, neutral territory
Tell’im Sinclair! “This isn’t some backwater!”
This Senator has like zero influence, I know Sinclair has been pissing people off but pretty much every call is “what? The best I can do is dick”
Lol, you didn’t ask dumb dumb
Hah it!s a bluff
How would you do the evacuation? By authority/prestige or make it a lottery?
She told you exactly what’s happening Mollari
Ah there’s the evacuation priority
I dunno if you could toss Ivanova, Garibaldi
Ah the Minbari who has lost his purpose can go take this dude’s place? Way to copy the plot from Grail right after it
Dick waving comm contest
What time is the machine for?
Mollari my dude you’re all holding out on each other constantly
Mollari can do this because he knows this isn’t where and when he dies
Mollari dancing, he put a big shoe on
Space battle!
Dammit Mike
Landing thrusters…hm…
Was Hyperion locking on to the space dust between the enemy ships?
Why can’t you allow this Garibaldi? You literally just met this dude.
“Until the time is right” this place has to be involved in the long term plot
Maybe some way of fighting the shadows?
She’s way too hot for Garibaldi, no wonder he’s been freaking out
Oof
Nice callback to where G’Kar did his ceremony


How the hell do people recommend skipping this season? The first season of TNG is dire. The weakest episode of this season is just interesting character work, and there is a poo poo ton of world building here.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Season 1 is a lot weaker than most of the rest of the show. I think people confuse that for it being weak.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E20 Babylon Squared


Sinclair is at his best when he’s being a patronizing rear end
Breathing in, breathing out
Omg what dicks, this is hilarious
And Sinclair walks away without eating a single bite again
Wonder if he’s like Zach Braff and never took bites so in coverage and multiple takes he didn’t have to take 50 bites
Das a bright light
Where ya goin’ Delenn?
Something caused again? Time disturbance?
I love the differing ship designs by species
Oh poo poo B4 is back? was not expecting that this early
Da gently caress? Ok but if it’s only been gone for 4 years then why did the pilot age like 40 years?
I do feel like having a pilot in command creates confidence in the other pilots
“We got two hours to kill…” this is a very Seinfeld conversation, Garibaldi works as George
Grey Council! This is a busy episode
She’s not gonna like this, she wants to monitor Sinclair
B4 looks a little smaller/shorter? I thought 5 was the economy build
WTF is happening, ah time skips, but personalized? Weird
My dude you put her in charge, if she wants to reconvene the council seems like it’s a thing to do
Oh snap it’s Sabretooth
Well this guy says 4 is the biggest so maybe it was just a perspective thing
Well obviously the One is the commander and that’s why they can’t touch can’t touch your time dislocated self that’s like rule number one
Does Zathras know pronouns?
Garibaldi owns the worst fuckin shirts
Hell yeah I called it
And that voice is Delenn
Ugh how does that work with O’Hare gone?
I hope Ivanova gets to go next time

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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ultrafilter posted:

Season 1 is a lot weaker than most of the rest of the show. I think people confuse that for it being weak.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Riven posted:

S1E20 Babylon Squared



Does Zathras know pronouns?



Zathras uses pronouns to refer to himself and others in that episode. But no one listen to Zathras.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E21 The Quality of Mercy

Nice callback to Winters having scanned a serial killer before
Fun that Ivanova is in for breaking the rules given her history with illegal calls and coffee plants
Lol that Earth won’t take him
Ohhh this guy is the Shawshank rapist, he has a good creep face
Londo and Lennier, the two Ls, a classic pairing
A little lonely Londo?
“A veritable parade of Interal organs”, Londo gets all the best lines
Wow, using his money to get both drinks he can’t drink
Eleventy-fifth?
“Kill me”
“…probability?”
I wonder if JMS ever saw Paint Your Wagon
Interesting, one person who takes life and one who gives her own
I like this plot for the doctor
I like this zen garden set too
Lol the chips being kids geometry toys with a black light. It’s honestly the first thing that has look truly, truly cheap to me
This guy is tough, a blast that killed David Warner without leaving a mark just burned his shoulder
WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS POKER TENTACLE?
drat Lennier has a kung fu grip
Oh noooo the plots converge!
Get’im Laura
“WHAT?”
“It never stops spinning” this episode has some great lines
People in the thread have called Sinclair a blank slate but he has great faces
Gross

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S1E22 Chrysalis

G’Kar!
I love the way Sinclair says “a dream given form” in the intro
Sakai!
Proposal?
Proposal!
Cute.
Shadow guy!
Mira Furlan uses her eyes really well
What are they going to want from Londo?
Devil’s deal, a favor is a price, Morden
What did Kosh show her?
“This is too big for you” he’s chief cop dude
Lol, three human prostitutes are a heavy schedule
That’s a robe
Multiple shadow ships!
Traitor!
Good culmination of the racist earther drama
Oh good we’re gonna get some Sinclair pay off before he goes
Maybe? Will he make it in time?
“There’s someone else out there Na’Toth”
Garibaldi don’t quit, drat
Holy poo poo they succeeded
Oh dammit, the guy he’s telling started it
Gotta get the details when you talk to a Djinn, Londo, you needed a Guillermo to tell you that
Oh fuckin poo poo she’s in a cocoon? Do we get the answers ever?
They really are shadows, creepy
WHAT. THAT’S HOW IT ENDS?

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
S2E1 Points of Departure

He’s got Michael Douglas voice
Sinclair recalled to Earth
Year of the Great War!
2259!
Oh poo poo they’re sending him to Minbar
Yeah the council never does tell anyone the whole truth
I hope Sinclair got to bring Catherine
I feel like the graphics are a little better this season
Never gets to finish his good luck speech does he?
He knows a lot about the Minbari, that’s cool
Oh thank god, answers from Lennier
Interesting that Dukat was killed by an explorer division? By accident?
Whooooooaaaaahhhhhhh
Whoooooooaaaaahhhhhhhhh
Oh that was creepy but now it’s cute that it’s a letter from home and not a porn sim lol
So many answers! Thanks Lennier!
A new restaurant!
Interesting and fun to have a captain despised by the Minbari instead of revered
Is CnC empty?
Yep, but he got to give his speech

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


Riven posted:

S2E1 Points of Departure

I feel like the graphics are a little better this season


They got a significant budget increase between seasons, and some of that went to improved CGI. Some of the early work was done on 24 networked Amiga 2000s, with per-frame render times measured in hours. It's a pretty fun thing to read about, but don't until you're through the series because pretty much any article you read is going to contain spoilers.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Re: poker tentacle its (one of) his dick. which makes it extremely weird that it made it on screen but funnier overall

Riven
Apr 22, 2002

TK-42-1 posted:

Re: poker tentacle its (one of) his dick. which makes it extremely weird that it made it on screen but funnier overall

Oh yeah I got that, it’s why my last note is simple “Gross.”

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm

Riven posted:

S1E20 Babylon Squared


B4 looks a little smaller/shorter? I thought 5 was the economy build
Well this guy says 4 is the biggest so maybe it was just a perspective thing


B4 is colossal compared to B5. It's like an additional mile long and considerably more massive with the two contrarotating rings.

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
Apparently I posted this in the Trump thread on accident.

Im not really taking notes on S2E3 The Geometry of Shadows but the single funniest moment in the whole show is Vir taking a tiny sip of Londo’s mostly finished drink, considering it, finishing the last like, ounce of it, turning and then just falling over.

S2E4 on the fighters going out to be the rescue line for the Cortez: Sheridan going “I’d give anything to be going with them.” Sinclair would have said “Yes, the last man will be hanging out in midair, which is why I have to be the last man.” Not saying it makes Sheridan lesser, Sinclair would have done it because of his death wish. But it’s a definite difference between the two.

Riven fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 13, 2023

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Riven posted:

How the hell do people recommend skipping this season? The first season of TNG is dire. The weakest episode of this season is just interesting character work, and there is a poo poo ton of world building here.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone recommend skipping the whole first season, just the pilot episode. (Don't do that either)

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

It used to be a common view 10-15 years ago among idiots who couldn't get past the slightly cheap-looking production in S1 compared to later

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Slamhound posted:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone recommend skipping the whole first season, just the pilot episode. (Don't do that either)

Ehhh pilot is very skippable imo

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I'm on the side of watching the pilot after season 1 has hooked you. The Gathering is bad and cheap in a way nothing else the show ever made is and I can absolutely see someone bouncing off it from that.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

In the pilot i was quite fond of the honking big PPG rifle Sinclair used at the end.

No dinky little blasters for him, just a real longarm to make you feel inadequate. :)

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I swear The Gathering has a much cooler use of lighting on the command set than any subsequent episodes.

BlackLagoon
Jul 4, 2023

Open Source Idiom posted:

I swear The Gathering has a much cooler use of lighting on the command set than any subsequent episodes.
It actually does. As I recall they used an elaborate custom lighting system for The Gathering that was deemed too expensive/cumbersome to use for the full series.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


I still have never seen The Gathering

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DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

CainFortea posted:

I still have never seen The Gathering

Same.
Or Legend of the Rangers.
Or most of Crusade.

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