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Cygnids posted:
My theoretical summary of whether terrorist classification is in any way useful (as opposed to "do I like this group y/n") boils down to: there's some value in reserving certain kinds of violence to states or state-like organizations acting publicly and more or less aboveboard. The thing you posted disagrees with me on paper and agrees with me in practice. There's no real way to describe Aum Shinrikyo as a state-like actor and the sarin attacks were unequivocally terrorism and the sort of thing that should be discouraged. As far as the actual organizations at issue here, my hot take is that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IDF are not terrorist organizations, they're functionally state actors. They're state actors that do war crimes to various degrees, one of which is currently working on a genocide. I don't think it would be unreasonable to classify Mossad as a terrorist organization despite their state affiliation. Settler militias in the West Bank are probably terrorists. Where's the line? Well, I dunno. Maybe it's like obscenity laws. "hey gjb, were the LTTE in Sri Lanka a terrorist organization?" well i'm going to stick to my guns and give a firm maybe
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I'd like to discuss how the IDF is shooting Palestinians and then tying them to their cars to use as human shields. I can recall at least one other incident where the IDF did this, seems to be part of their doctrine tbh. [url]https://www.npr.org/2024/06/23/g-s1-5810/israel- injured-palestinian-tied-military-vehicle[/url]
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Jun 23, 2024 23:23
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Lmao the Zionist freaks are beginning to lay the groundwork for their very own Dolchstoßlegende https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...lame-for-oct-7/ quote:Asked by Channel 14’s Patriots program whether calls by IDF reservists to refuse to serve, in light of the government’s controversial judicial overhaul legislation, had led in part to the October 7 Hamas onslaught, Netanyahu responds that the months of anti-government protests were “a disaster,” which “came from the left.” Meanwhile the fascist death drive is in full swing as they prepare to pivot from losing a war against a concentration camp to getting curb stomped by an incredibly well armed and well trained quasi-state actor to the north: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-all-scenarios/ quote:Israel can fight a war on multiple fronts, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says in his first interview with Israeli media since October 7.
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Jun 23, 2024 23:37
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Iron Dome was a disappointment so they've turned to Thunderdome.
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Jun 23, 2024 23:39
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Lebanese response to the telegraph article. https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1804907513701126483 quote:BREAKING | Lebanese Transport Minister Ali Hamieh: https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1804923940646924546 Link to the jpost article: https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-805203
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Jun 24, 2024 02:47
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I sure do love when my government deploys official resources to smuggle over a notorious war criminal and genocidaire for a junket in our nations capitol. I especially love it when they kick off said junket by meeting with the group of unregistered foreign agents that openly brag about being able to get the signatures of 70 senators on a napkin if they so choose. https://twitter.com/yoavgallant/status/1804819668416229712 https://twitter.com/yoavgallant/status/1804961997387137302 It's been reported that the ostensible purpose of Gallant's visit is to present a plan for the day after in Gaza. Meanwhile back at the ranch... https://aja.ws/kkkpwg?update=6657234 quote:Israeli media: The government discusses the possibility of establishing military rule in northern Gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/23/netanyahu-says-war-will-continue-even-if-deal-agreed-with-hamas quote:Netanyahu says war will continue even if ceasefire deal agreed with Hamas Quantum Cat fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jun 24, 2024 |
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Jun 24, 2024 10:24
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https://x.com/POTUS/status/1805253626551497103?t=5tgf6D2fHHNciNc0Rimh0w&s=19 Our boy genocide Joe is now pretending like protesting illegal land sales in the West Bank taking place in synagogues is antisemitism, because he cares so much about Palestinians I'm sure
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Jun 24, 2024 17:59
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imagine engaging in violence against a vaguely defined group of people just because you don't like what their representatives are doing. that would be terrible.
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Jun 24, 2024 18:01
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rscott posted:https://x.com/POTUS/status/1805253626551497103?t=5tgf6D2fHHNciNc0Rimh0w&s=19 If you're using your place of worship to arrange illegal land sales it seems reasonable that people will protest that space. what a disingenuous piece of poo poo.
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Jun 24, 2024 18:05
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punishedkissinger posted:If you're using your place of worship to arrange illegal land sales it seems reasonable that people will protest that space. what a disingenuous piece of poo poo. Is there a source to read about those sales? I remember it came up before that maybe this or some other religious community arranged auctions on the premises.
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Jun 24, 2024 19:07
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Man I wonder what happened to KHAMAS!!!!!! Being the only thing standing in the way of a ceasefire, let's check on that. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/official-involved-in-hamas-talks-tells-tv-netanyahus-statements-were-actual-sabotage/ quote:An Israeli source with knowledge of the negotiations with Hamas tells Channel 12 that Netanyahu’s comments yesterday on backing only a “partial” deal “caused damage that will be very difficult to fix and at terrible timing — when all pressure was directed at [Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya] Sinwar.
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Paladinus posted:Is there a source to read about those sales? I remember it came up before that maybe this or some other religious community arranged auctions on the premises. Not many specifics, just a lot of confirmation that they are selling real estate in the West Bank https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/202...ba-7f7a87e80000 quote:The group was gathered to protest a real estate event taking place inside the synagogue, which was reportedly promoting the sale of land plots in Jewish settlements located in the West Bank. Just a group of Americans organizing population transfers in an occupied territory. Really unreasonable to protest. punishedkissinger fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 24, 2024 |
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Jun 24, 2024 19:21
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punishedkissinger posted:Not many specifics, just a lot of confirmation that they are selling real estate in the West Bank Yeah, I can't find any specifics either. I think the last time someone actually tracked one of the properties they were auctioning, but I can't find it quickly.
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punishedkissinger posted:If you're using your place of worship to arrange illegal land sales it seems reasonable that people will protest that space. what a disingenuous piece of poo poo. One weird trick to sell stolen land without being protested. Anti-colonialists hate it.
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Jun 24, 2024 19:50
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Paladinus posted:Yeah, I can't find any specifics either. I think the last time someone actually tracked one of the properties they were auctioning, but I can't find it quickly. From back in March https://x.com/riseandgrindcor/status/1805282932304888317 CNN confirms the real estate company does sell land in West Bank settlements quote:The protest stemmed from an Israel real estate event on Sunday at the Adas Torah synagogue, according to the synagogue’s security director and social media posts from organizers. Piell fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jun 24, 2024 |
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Jun 24, 2024 19:54
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The land sale bullshit also involved some wretched gently caress getting arrested for threatening protesters with a nailgun while spewing genocidal garbage. https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-790358 quote:A Jewish Canadian man was arrested for threatening Pro-Palestinian protesters with a nail gun at a protest in Vaughan on Sunday during a demonstration against an Israeli real estate event at the Aish Thornhill Community Shul. Sundance Shot fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jun 24, 2024 |
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Piell posted:From back in March Yea, that's it, thank you!
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Piell posted:From back in March jesus loving christ, zionists really do seem to be part of a concerted bid to make millennia of antisemitic conspiracies real
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Jun 24, 2024 20:14
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they're going to advertise selling houses in the "best anglo neighborhoods in Israel" and then be outraged when you call them a colony
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Companies like that work hand in hand with people like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, who recently expounded on his plans to annex the West Bank: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/israeli-far-right-minister-bezalel-smotrich-annex-west-bank Weird that Joe Biden says he supports a two state solution but all his sympathy and efforts support these fascists I'm sure it's because he cares that much about the Palestinians
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the us as a whole is so squarely behind israel that you're going to find no one with any meaningful power giving a single gently caress about the palestinians. only real difference between d and r on Israel is that one flank of dems officials will grumble a bit about all the support and it isn't that popular with d voters.GhostofJohnMuir posted:jesus loving christ, zionists really do seem to be part of a concerted bid to make millennia of antisemitic conspiracies real don't do this. also the reasons for all of this are much more immediate than some old antisemitic poo poo
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
As a Catholic I just can't believe religious institutions are being cynically used to cover moving money around for nefarious purposes
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I would venture that using houses of worship to commit war crimes is a greater disrespect than protesting outside of them, but I guess I may just be less American than Joe Biden.
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Sundance Shot posted:Lebanese response to the telegraph article. punishedkissinger posted:If you're using your place of worship to arrange illegal land sales it seems reasonable that people will protest that space. what a disingenuous piece of poo poo.
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Jun 25, 2024 01:11
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I would venture that using houses of worship to commit war crimes is a greater disrespect than protesting outside of them, but I guess I may just be less American than Joe Biden. What's a little moneychanging in the temple between friends?
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Let's see what Israeli settler militia are up to in the West Bank. https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-settlers-dig-graves-threat-bedouin-community quote:Israeli settlers continue to harass Palestinian Bedouin communities along the eastern slopes of the occupied West Bank's central hills overlooking the Jordan Valley in an area known as the 'Muarrajat' zone.
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Meanwhile the political situation in Israel continues to be whatever this is.quote:"Report in Haaretz: the Prime Minister's wife Sarah Netanyahu told the hostages' families - 'I don't trust the heads of the IDF - they want to stage a military coup against my husband'" quote:The supreme court has unanimously ruled that the government has to start conscripting Haredi men in some way -credit to Sancho Banana for the legwork and translation to bring these to us
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Goatse James Bond posted:My theoretical summary of whether terrorist classification is in any way useful (as opposed to "do I like this group y/n") boils down to: there's some value in reserving certain kinds of violence to states or state-like organizations acting publicly and more or less aboveboard. The thing you posted disagrees with me on paper and agrees with me in practice. There's no real way to describe Aum Shinrikyo as a state-like actor and the sarin attacks were unequivocally terrorism and the sort of thing that should be discouraged. Backfilling the definition causes issues and state actors are also challenging. I don’t know how useful a discussion on whether the Union Army was a terrorist org is in 2024. The EU is much more hesitant to use the label and I think only has one department of the Iranian’s intelligence agency listed. There are notable omissions of non-state actors due to political reasons — the Wagner Group being a good example. LTTE would be an easy “yes” for me and they were also responding to terrorist attacks on Tamils, although unsure if those were organized or operated more as progroms. Neon Belly fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jun 25, 2024 |
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Jun 25, 2024 15:38
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Let's see what the so-called more "reasonable" Israeli politicians are saying these days: https://twitter.com/jeremybob1/status/1805620905306911161 Meanwhile in Gaza the Zionists freaks' infinite lust for atrocity remains unsated: https://x.com/MSF/status/1805617848942764470 Quantum Cat fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 25, 2024 |
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Neon Belly posted:Backfilling the definition causes issues and state actors are also challenging Both Hamas and the IDF are state actors. Why do believe one is a terrorist organization and the other isn't? Please don't just say "because the EU says so", make an actual argument.
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I feel like at this point Genocide Joe is yelling through a loudspeaker directly at the few remaining people in this thread who believe that aw shucks he's just trying his best, and deep down he cares about the Palestinians: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/24/us-hezbollah-israel-attack-conflict-00164761 quote:U.S. officials trying to prevent a bigger Middle East war are issuing an unusual warning to Hezbollah: Don’t assume that Washington can stop Israel from attacking you. The US is basically telling Lebanon that they're going to get attacked, and they'd better not retaliate, because the US will do whatever it takes to assist their dog, no matter how rabid it gets.
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"Listen, me roid-raging friend over there is having a bad episode, he's about to break a chair leg and beat you to a pulp with it. I just had to tell you that you better let him do it, or it could go even worse for you. Hit him back, and I take away his chair leg and give him a spiked baseball bat."
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punishedkissinger posted:Both Hamas and the IDF are state actors. Why do believe one is a terrorist organization and the other isn't? Please don't just say "because the EU says so", make an actual argument. I’ve been convinced (by this thread and some articles). They’re both state actors that commit war crimes and use terrorist tactics to achieve their goals.
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Germans deal with unprocessed issues re the Holocaust in a healthy manner - challenge level impossible: https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1805736296264220947
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Esran posted:I feel like at this point Genocide Joe is yelling through a loudspeaker directly at the few remaining people in this thread who believe that aw shucks he's just trying his best, and deep down he cares about the Palestinians: This is just so loving stupid, what kind of a negotiating tactic even is this? "Hey we actually have no leverage to affect what happens at all so . . . "
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OctaMurk posted:This is just so loving stupid, what kind of a negotiating tactic even is this? All of this comes down to the typical mindset among a lot of the west that if Arabs were reasonable they would understand that it's their duty to just lay down and die.
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The Zionist freaks are extending their illegal blockade of food to Palestinians to include the thousands they're holding hostage. https://aja.ws/g9qctj?update=6664294 quote:Israel's prison administration has drastically reduced food for Palestinian prisoners since October 7. In other news, Zionist freak has a totally normal one. https://twitter.com/GalG_IL/status/1805345967161376955 Meanwhile in Germany, "THERE IS A LIST!" https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1805753500267135084 Quantum Cat fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Jun 26, 2024 |
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The semiotics of a Zionist loser recapitulating the Nazis' genocidal horrors while also getting a numbers tattoo on their arm are truly something.
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Defenders of Israel could write The Holocaust Did Not Take Place with how flippantly they use the subject to defend their grotesque atrocities.
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