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Nah god is still rhere if you oprn your hrart tk hin
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Daikloktos posted:He certainly falls back on the easy character gags to pad out his productivity but, as you say, what made Dilbert such a cultural phenomenon in the 90's was the specificity of its subject. Office workers would read a strip about being assigned rotating cubicles or getting reorganized into a workgroup apart from your project team to build some manager's fiefdom or the excitement of finally getting an internet connection to goof off on and it connected with them. But obviously the further Adams got from his time as an engineer and the more the corporate landscape changed the harder it was to maintain incisive commentary. You can tell in his early 2000s strips when he tries to tackle new management fads like ISO 9000 or Seven Sigma he only has a second-hand, surface level understanding that he tries to paper over by analogizing them to his increasingly irrelevant experiences - I haven't kept up with the strip but I can only imagine his poor grasp on the nuances of open-plan floorspace or agile development. So he could either give up on being a relevant satirist with #1 bestselling pop philosophy books under his belt or he could transition to the field where he was still vital - being an early-internet blogger. And as a result, instead of only being thought about these days by used bookstore patrons and people flipping through Comedy Central at 1 am he gets invited on Fox News to discuss the nuclear crisis in North Korea. i feel like the comic "retail" captures the energy of early Dilbert with a much more modern perspective (also millennials only wish they could work in a lovely office)   
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JK Fresco posted:Nah god is still rhere if you oprn your hrart tk hin
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Rutibex posted:i feel like the comic "retail" captures the energy of early Dilbert with a much more modern perspective (also millennials only wish they could work in a lovely office) who wants this
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Mar 7, 2020 16:44
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Inept posted:who wants this They really just want a salary, benefits, and to be able to sit down at work.
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Mar 7, 2020 16:52
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i meant who wants early dilbert back
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Mar 7, 2020 16:57
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Inept posted:i meant who wants early dilbert back Scott Adams's hairline?
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Mar 7, 2020 19:24
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Didnt he have an incredibly racist nation of dudes living in mud that the company had to visit and work with?
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FoolyCharged posted:Didnt he have an incredibly racist nation of dudes living in mud that the company had to visit and work with? How is that racist
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Mar 7, 2020 19:29
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 Googled it. And nope, definitely nothing problematic about these guys
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They're at least ambiguously racial
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Adams claims he invented that fictional nation so he could play to and mock American stereotypes about foreigners being poor people who live in mud huts without offending an actual country's population. Whether that is, in itself, a bad thing I leave up to y'all. Yep, it probably is.
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Mar 8, 2020 08:03
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He probably thought that Team America's "Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad" scenes were intelligent satire, and not just a one liner for guys with lifted trucks to shout for nearly two decades after the film's release.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Adams claims he invented that fictional nation so he could play to and mock American stereotypes about foreigners being poor people who live in mud huts without offending an actual country's population. In one of the anniversary collection books with his commentary, he wrote along the lines of, "The Elbonians are a satire of how some Americans view the rest of the world, because I've talked to some people who really do tend to think that people who live in countries where they don't have cable TV also live in shacks surrounded by mud and poverty." Maybe, but he also depicts them as hopeless, totally rear end-backward semi-cavemen with no understanding of economics or technology ("Tomorrow, I get to pretend to be the computer!"), and this was a gag he came up with at his peak and prime, so...let's talk about the gulf between intent and execution. To be fair, it's very similar to what Sacha Baron Cohen said in response to criticism of his depictions of "Kazakhstan" in Borat: all the scenes were shot in rural Romania and all of it was not actually a jab at the Kazakhs, it's a jab at anyone who presumes a country they don't know anything about isn't also a first-world country with plenty of wealth and culture. In reality Kazakhstan is flush with oil money, Borat was based on a bigoted Russian doctor Cohen met on vacation, and no one in the world drinks horse piss, so Cohen's view is "Ha ha ha at anyone who doesn't know that and thinks Borat is what a "foreigner" actually is like." (Except of course ignorance and slanderous trolling really are things that go together...)
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Yeah, if the elbonians weren't actually incompetent nitwits or if there was any indication that viewing them as "primitives" or whatever was wrong, he could make that point. But he didn't. So instead the world sees a really derogatory portrayal of the eastern bloc.
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Yeah, even if the point he is making is "Some Americans think all foreigners are hut dwelling illiterate stupid mud farmers. Aren't those Americans who think that silly.", he still portrayed the "foreigners" as stupid illiterate hut dwelling mud farmers, who don't ever challenge that perception. so the jokes are very easily read as "Haha, look at the illiterate hut dwelling mud farming stupid foreigners." And that is being generous to Mr. Adams. I reckon the most likely explanation is, he wanted to make some cheap jokes about a "backward foreigners", and then when called out on it, did the required mental gymnastics he always does to prove that it is not he who is wrong/racist/sexist/ignorant, but those criticizing his genius.
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Agent Escalus posted:
The difference is that Borat was placed in an American context explicitly to draw out the prejudices of Americans. Sacha Baron Cohen uses the character to egg on and encourage people's beliefs, like getting the drunk frat guy to shout about how "all men are above women" or whatever. While funny, Borat wasn't the joke. The Elbonians are just a racist depiction of a backwards mud people.
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I can't recall a single strip offhand where the punchline upbraided Dilbert or the Pointy-Haired Boss's preconceptions about Elbonia
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Mar 9, 2020 05:07
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my blackface tap dance act is actually just an indictment of your perceptions about black people
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JK Fresco posted:Nah god is still rhere if you oprn your hrart tk hin lets all appreciate for a moment that this is the level of hosed up JK Fresco has to be to believe in god
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Daikloktos posted:I can't recall a single strip offhand where the punchline upbraided Dilbert or the Pointy-Haired Boss's preconceptions about Elbonia Potential candidate:  While Googling Elbonia, I found some of the Elbonia strips to be actually funny... 
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Mar 9, 2020 05:23
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long live Albania
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Trip report from anyone who tried one of these?
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Mar 9, 2020 07:32
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WE MAKE IT EASY TO EAT
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poopnanners posted:WE MAKE IT EASY TO EAT * pre-coated with a water-based lubricant
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Pekinduck posted:Trip report from anyone who tried one of these? Adams himself noted "the mineral fortification was hard to disguise, and because of the veggie and legume content, three bites of the Dilberito made you fart so hard your intestines formed a tail." The New York Times noted the burrito "could have been designed only by a food technologist or by someone who eats lunch without much thought to taste." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilberito
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those retail comics were pretty good. is that in newspapers?
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30 seconds on Google tells me it was until the author cancelled it this year and he's currently seeking avenues to publish the archive online
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i read dilbert back in high school. i even read the book he wrote. i remember enjoying it. i also remember thinking scott adams came off as witty, humble, and insightful. then i went off into the world and didn't really pay any attention to dilbert again, until this thread. it is now a strange world of incoherent comic strips, naked torsos, bizarre conspiracy theories, and juice cleanses? i feel like thats an allegory for something but i'm not smart enough to figure out what it is.
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Anytime you think about giving Scott Adams the benefit of a doubt, remember he's a giant piece of poo poo. https://twitter.com/LOLGOP/status/1237086436618162180
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Before you start talking about this deadly pandemic, you have to prove that other people are actually real and not philosophical zombies that only act like they are dying from the virus  I am very smart,
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ummm would it not be the exact opposite of what he's saying because we're not testing for coronavirus
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Well look at what popped up on my Twitter feed on a rare day where I actually checked it: https://twitter.com/winnersusedrugs/status/1237105221332951040
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Holy poo poo I think I actually played that game a long time ago. I didn't know it was an advertisement for the dilberito.
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Agent Escalus posted:Well look at what popped up on my Twitter feed on a rare day where I actually checked it: Lowtax is selling our post data to Twitter to cover server costs. 
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Was Scott Adams ever actually an engineer? I was listening the QAnon Anonymous podcast and they mentioned that he just did a degree in economics and then worked in a bank.
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Agent Escalus posted:Well look at what popped up on my Twitter feed on a rare day where I actually checked it: I remember that game. You make Dilbert do some push ups and eat loads of foods including the dilberito to become less than 100 lbs so you can outlive your boss and dance on their grave. It doesn't make sense why it would turn you into even more of a scrawny emaciated twig. Unless that's what happens when you eat enough dilberitos in real life.
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