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MikeCrotch posted:The problem is that we have neither right now we have a political class that has spent the past 30 years enriching themselves and keeping themselves in power at the expense of providing meaningful change to the electorate. Hence why voters are flocking to anything that isn't the status quo. i.e., currently we're in the situation that arises after competent politicians decided to break everything (Thatcher, Blair).
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hakimashou posted:If I were May I would do a TV debate. Let him debate that little lib dem gnome or tell Nicola Sturgeon how Scotland has to go down with the ship. Just say everyone knows where she stands, and everyone knows where he stands, and she's got a country to run. Best case he'd whine about not getting a debate. May is a horrible debater.
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blowfish posted:jfc this is actually stupider than pissflapsposting It's not likely, but can you really look at the past few years in terms of electoral results and rule anything out at this point? Cue me being taken away by the Faragestaffel as UKIP finally deliver on their pent up promise of electoral success when everyone least expects it.
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Pissflaps posted:You must be so proud of yourself. I live in one of the safest labour seats in the country. It's not really the fault of the Labour Party and JC that alleged labour voters don't actually like the concept of a labour movement.
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Namtab posted:Given the short notice given I doubt there'll be much in the way of televised debates Yeah, but it's Labour's only real way to challenge what's going to be a cakewalk for the Tories so Corbyn should be demanding it for the next six weeks before the inevitable.
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TheRat posted:May is a horrible debater. Sorry I meant to type 'wouldn't' do a debate, I edited it but it was too late.
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MikeCrotch posted:It's not likely, but can you really look at the past few years in terms of electoral results and rule anything out at this point? Yes.
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RideTheSpiral posted:I live in one of the safest labour seats in the country. If your attitude is common among Labour Party activists then labour is more hosed than i realised. Did you join before Corbyn's leadership campaign?
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Josh Lyman posted:Maybe Stephen Fry should run. He's not doing QI anymore, and I hear TV game show stars are doing well in elections lately. Contributed to Blair's speeches. Irrecoverably tainted
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Carecat posted:Really? Isn't that where May came from? And not just the surface level Boris/Gove backstab or Cameron promising a referendum, there was a behind the scenes push to get May. Since the leadership election the Tories have essentially closed ranks. They score ridiculously highly on "unity" in polling. There's next to no criticism of May from the back benches and that there is muted, and the closest there came to any rebellion was during the article 50 debates which resulted in one Tory mp voting against the gov. For the moment they're unified if only for the sake of having power.
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So how much wailing and gnashing of teeth is there here?
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Pissflaps posted:If your attitude is common among Labour Party activists then labour is more hosed than i realised. lol if you think democracy is good and the electorate isn't stupid
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:well this is all rather exciting i want to die
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Skinty McEdger posted:Since the leadership election the Tories have essentially closed ranks. They score ridiculously highly on "unity" in polling. There's next to no criticism of May from the back benches and that there is muted, and the closest there came to any rebellion was during the article 50 debates which resulted in one Tory mp voting against the gov. For the moment they're unified if only for the sake of having power. Yes. Tories are currently a very effective political party with MPs who are very good at staying in power. Labour is babby's first political party with neverending amateur-hour backstabbing attempts in public view. Possibly because Labour MPs honestly believe in defending neoliberalism against the leftist menace while Tories just like being in power no matter how.
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Zero Gravitas posted:So how much wailing and gnashing of teeth is there here? All the wailing and gnashing. Tbh I've just resigned myself to continuing to work in care with constantly diminishing resorces anywhere that hasn't been mostly privatised and listening to clients/patients/ whoever blaming everything on benefits cheats and foreigners.
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Apr 18, 2017 13:00
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George Eaton is consistently wrong but it wouldn't shock me. Nor would everyone who voted lib dem becoming shocked that they immediately hop back into bed with the Tories and abandon all that Brexit opposition.
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Apr 18, 2017 13:03
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Carecat posted:Really? Isn't that where May came from? And not just the surface level Boris/Gove backstab or Cameron promising a referendum, there was a behind the scenes push to get May. In that particular instance, it was "who is the least loving toxic idiot with baggage to represent us" when they needed to elect a leader. There is likely some private infighting over her approach to Brexit, but they're publically presenting a unified front in support. This general election (as has been said) is most likely a preemptive movement, as they're potentially facing 20 by-elections, over allegations of electoral fraud. Also, think I've found flaps:  [e]: Egg on my face, confusing Yvette Cooper with Liz Kendall
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I don't think Corbyn should stand down and I've ever voted Tory.
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The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition without a cast-iron pledge to revoke Article 50 before the first confidence vote. Special Conference wouldn't even entertain the idea.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition without a cast-iron pledge to revoke Article 50 before the first confidence vote. Special Conference wouldn't even entertain the idea. Ah, the Lib Dems, famous for their strong backbones and commitment to principles.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition without a cast-iron pledge to revoke Article 50 before the first confidence vote. Special Conference wouldn't even entertain the idea. Lol if you think the Lib Dems have principles if power was handed to them.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition without a cast-iron pledge to revoke Article 50 before the first confidence vote. Special Conference wouldn't even entertain the idea. Ahahahahahahaha
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Alertrelic posted:Ah, the Lib Dems, famous for their strong backbones and commitment to principles. Its incredible watching /r/unitedkingdom going "Lib dems are only hope!" and saying that the lib dems had no choice but to vote in tuition fees are you loving serious with all the photos of MPs signing big loving billboards "I WILL NOT VOTE FOR AN INCREASE IN TUITION FEES" its literally black and white jesus christ
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Maybe instead of the stunning incompetence it truly is, Labour has decided "gently caress all of you too then" and has refused to even try opposing brexit in Parliament since voters couldn't be arsed to oppose it at the ballot box.
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FAUXTON posted:Maybe instead of the stunning incompetence it truly is, Labour has decided "gently caress all of you too then" and has refused to even try opposing brexit in Parliament since voters couldn't be arsed to oppose it at the ballot box. Most labour voters did. That's why their Brexit response has been such an utter tucking shambles.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition Yeah I agree.
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There isn't even a mechanism for doing takesybacksies on Article 50. I mean you can probably put that genie in the bottle somehow but it's going to need a lot of wrangling and something completely insane like a Lib Dem landslide (can't sell your Brexit position in a coalition agreement, if there is no coalition).
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Pissflaps posted:Most labour voters did. That's why their Brexit response has been such an utter tucking shambles. Isn't Corbyn pro-Brexit for a host of dumbass reasons?
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