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Ovechkin is out for at least a few games so Washington’s leading goal scorer is now Marcus Johansson with 13 goals. That’s bad! I think Washington needs to consider selling. I’m not sure if they’re going to re-sign Orlov but he’d probably return a first round pick and maybe a bit more. Jensen could return a nice haul too, he’s a very good player on a cheap contract. And some team (Edmonton) would overpay for Hathaway too because of grit. Gustafsson is another guy who could get a surprisingly high return. Sheary, Johansson, TVR, Eller would all return mid-round picks. Maybe someone will value Mantha. Maybe they shouldn’t sell everyone because they need a roster for next year but it will be pretty annoying to see them do nothing or buy at the deadline and either miss the playoffs or get curbstomped by BOS/CAR when they do have some decently valuable assets on the trade market. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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I just looked up Washington's player stats and I never would've guessed who their top 5 goal scorers are after Ovechkin. This roster looks so bad on paper too. Nearly at the end of an era for the Caps I guess.
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Feb 15, 2023 14:55
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I’m not ready to sell off and tank this year, though I hold no illusions about our playoff chances. Still think as long as there’s a shot at making the playoffs we stay the course. I mean we went toe to toe with the number 1 and number 2 teams in the league and mostly held our own.
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Feb 15, 2023 15:00
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I just looked up Washington's player stats and I never would've guessed who their top 5 goal scorers are after Ovechkin. This roster looks so bad on paper too. Nearly at the end of an era for the Caps I guess. Their forwards are really bad outside of Ovechkin. Kuznetsov, Backstrom, and Oshie are all shells of themselves. Mantha has been a bust. Eller has 1 point in 2023. Sheary and Johansson are fine as third liners but too bad they have to play top 6 minutes because their other players stink. I think their D and goaltenders are pretty good but too bad like all their D are UFAs.
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Feb 15, 2023 15:27
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Pens and Caps have very similar 5v5 xgoals. Not quite the same issues though I guess. The Pens' issues are almost entirely around depth. Crosby and Malkin remain very good, and their top six in general is pretty good. Their bottom six is terrible, and their defense is probably worse than the Caps as well. I think the Pens will be buyers at the deadline unless they go on a huge slide before then. But they're so constrained by the cap and all the unmoveable players on their roster that I don't know that Hextall will get much done.
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Feb 15, 2023 15:50
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Ovechkins dad died so he's probably out for a while.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:09
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The Pens are pretty straightforward - 1. Fix the 3rd line disaster/depth scoring. Jeff Carter/Brock McGinn/Teddy Blueger are all running at about 1 point per 60 5v5. Which wouldn't necessarily be an outright disaster except they are sub 40% goals for with Blueger having sub 30. The sv% is fine so it is 100% from the offensive finishing perspective, they don't have any. However the most used defenseman behind these players is...Brian Dumoulin which leads into point 2. Dumo is an unmitigated disaster on the ice this year and limiting this will dictate how good or poor the Pens results actually are. When on the ice with Blueger the Pens have a 18% goals for split. With Carter or McGinn is 17.5 and 14%. How Hextall and Sullivan handle those 2 particular issues will go a long way towards potential run or barely making it and dumped in 5.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:The Pens are pretty straightforward - 1. Fix the 3rd line disaster/depth scoring. Jeff Carter/Brock McGinn/Teddy Blueger are all running at about 1 point per 60 5v5. Which wouldn't necessarily be an outright disaster except they are sub 40% goals for with Blueger having sub 30. The sv% is fine so it is 100% from the offensive finishing perspective, they don't have any. However the most used defenseman behind these players is...Brian Dumoulin which leads into point 2. Dumo is an unmitigated disaster on the ice this year and limiting this will dictate how good or poor the Pens results actually are. When on the ice with Blueger the Pens have a 18% goals for split. With Carter or McGinn is 17.5 and 14%. Clearly the answer is to take the good part of the Caps and the good part of the Pens and combine them into a single super team called the Pittsburgington Penguipitals.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:21
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Ovechkins dad died so he's probably out for a while. drat, think they said he’s had health problems for a while now.
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ThinkTank posted:The Vancouver Canucks currently have the worst penalty kill in NHL history (65.4%) and the second worst save percentage in NHL history (.876) behind only the 95/96 Sharks. This team rules. I'm a bit surprised the answer to this isn't the Sens expansion year
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I thought the Stars looked pretty good last night and against Tampa. I watched both games because I was curious how they stack up against the best teams in the East. I never felt like they were threatening though. Like, even when they had a lead against Boston late last night, or the PP in overtime, I didn't feel like them winning was imminent. Oettinger is amazing and keeps them in games, and Robertson/Hintz are scary, but the team as a whole doesn't feel like they're on quite the same tier as the better Eastern teams. Miro looked in peak form last night as well. Robo, Jake, Roope, and Miro are such a loving delight.
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Mind_Taker posted:Their forwards are really bad outside of Ovechkin. Kuznetsov, Backstrom, and Oshie are all shells of themselves. Yeah it seems like Washington actually made some really solid depth moves on F (Milano/Strome specifically), but that their core outside of Ovi just isn't good enough anymore (or at least this season). Kind of the opposite problem that the Pens are having, interestingly enough. CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/OmiGoodness4/status/1625692344308596737?t=lIxjteVVP2Q6_b63kt6_Mg&s=19 the real salt: quote:“Gaudreau isn’t complaining, either. As difficult as this season has been, he has 50 points in 53 games and is confident the Blue Jackets will flourish once they overcome injuries: Defenseman Zach Werenski, forwards Boone Jenner and Jakub Voracek and others have been sidelined for most of the season. I mean, what else is he gonna say, but 35-13-5 team with a 21 year old MVP candidate and a top 2 prospect pool probably is going to continue to be good for the foreseeable future. Although if the Blue Jackets tank enough / get lucky enough to win the the Bedard lottery, the second half of that sentence could easily apply to them so maybe Johnny should work on getting hit by a bus or something T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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T-Bone posted:Yeah it seems like Washington actually made some really solid depth moves on F (Milano/Strome specifically), but that their core outside of Ovi just isn't good enough anymore (or at least this season). Kind of the opposite problem that the Pens are having, interestingly enough. For what it's worth, Columbus' pool is right behind the Devils at 3 if we're using The Athletic's rankings.
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no I think the real salt is still booing a guy who was never going to sign with you lol
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Aphrodite posted:no I think the real salt is still booing a guy who was never going to sign with you lol Devils fans have a massive persecution complex so whenever someone doesn’t sign with them it’s interpreted as some sort of personal slight and a massive indictment of the entire state of New Jersey instead of a reasonable thing like, “guy wanted to play with people he knows” or “likes some people in management.”
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booing absolutely rules, the only regret is that Devils fans are merely B tier in their persecution complex/spite, need to get to Long Island levelsCBJSprague24 posted:For what it's worth, Columbus' pool is right behind the Devils at 3 if we're using The Athletic's rankings. Yeah I think they can actually turn it around reasonably quickly if they get Bedard and Johnson pans out. Probably even if they get one of the other big guys and Johnson pans out. Aphrodite posted:no I think the real salt is still booing a guy who was never going to sign with you lol hmmm, you're right, should have thrown a parade for him instead
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Speaking of, it's great that tanking is on the menu for another few years. Celebrini dominating the USHL at age 16 https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=261744 Misa over a PPG in his age 15 season in the OHL https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=262403 too bad that Canada is going to be adding Bedard + these two to their old rear end purely hypothetical international forward group e: drat didn't know Misa got hosed up by a knee recently, that sucks. Hopefully not out too long. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Ovechkins dad died so he's probably out for a while.
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/OmiGoodness4/status/1625692344308596737?t=lIxjteVVP2Q6_b63kt6_Mg&s=19 lol i mean we have a right to hate him. he spit in the devils face. even he admitted that. corn on the cop posted:it is remarkable how miles wood manages to get worse every year This is wrong. Wood was way better last year than he was any time in his career before. And he was even good in the first 15 games of this season. Agreed that he's been dogshit since then for whatever reason. He probably should be a scratch. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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I'd boo too if someone chose Ohio over my state but that state in question is NJ so, its a wash.
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After going hard for Gaudreau and settling for Ondrej Palat, feel like the same things going to happen when they settle for like Brock Boeser instead of Timo Meier
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The Dirty Burger posted:After going hard for Gaudreau and settling for Ondrej Palat, feel like the same things going to happen when they settle for like Brock Boeser instead of Timo Meier There is no excuse to settle. They have the ammo to get whoever is available. https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1625915276104441857 I agree with this.
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Matt Zerella posted:I'd boo too if someone chose Ohio over my state but that state in question is NJ so, its a wash. Ohio is awash (in vinyl chloride). Anyway, check out my top 50 US state power rankings:
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If the Sharks just don't like Holtz I could see it. Fitzgerald absolutely should not even think about moving Nemec. Hard to see the Sharks getting better than Holtz/1st/Casey/B prospect but who knows how desperate teams will get
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eXXon posted:Ohio is awash (in vinyl chloride). And it was all made in North Jersey, the ultimate boo.
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T-Bone posted:If the Sharks just don't like Holtz I could see it. Fitzgerald absolutely should not even think about moving Nemec. The Devils can just resign Graves and have a fine defense even without Nemec going forward. Go win the cup this year.
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mcmagic posted:The Devils can just resign Graves and have a fine defense even without Nemec going forward. Go win the cup this year. Disagree. They're good but their core has never even played a playoff game. They're not going to win the Cup this year. Keeping Nemec and having him playing for them on an ELC gives them a longer window. Trading him now would be like trading Niedermayer in 1992. There's also no reason to, players like Meier (unextended, one year away from UFA) on 10m QOs don't return the just drafted #2 overall pick, and #2 overalls aren't traded 6 months post draft. There's no precedence for it whatsoever.
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T-Bone posted:Misa over a PPG in his age 15 season in the OHL https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=262403 I couldn't help but notice you're his teammate on the Saginaw Spirit. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=227234&encode=TRUE
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You can't just assume that Nemec is going to be one of the top 20 Dmen in NHL history though... I also agree with you that they should be able to get Meier without trading Nemec too.
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The funniest thing about the Gaudreau situation is that if even half the stuff he said at signing was true he just really, really seems to like Columbus
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Koopa Kid posted:The funniest thing about the Gaudreau situation is that if even half the stuff he said at signing was true he just really, really seems to like Columbus It wasn't just that he wouldn't sign here. It was that it was heavily implicated that he would rather play literally anywhere but jersey and he went and signed with a poo poo tier franchise. IDK why you would be surprised that devils fans didn't like that.
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It would be extremely stupid to deal Nemec now and it won't happen so there is no point. NJ doesn't have to "go for it" this year, they're gonna be going for it over a 5-year period, during which they'll get Hughes and Nemec both on ELC contracts. They have a handful of excellent prospects, can spare a 1st round pick, and have zero need to part with Hughes or Nemec, who are arguably the two best D prospects in the sport.
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mcmagic posted:It wasn't just that he wouldn't sign here. It was that it was heavily implicated that he would rather play literally anywhere but jersey and he went and signed with a poo poo tier franchise. IDK why you would be surprised that devils fans didn't like that. Heavily implicated by who? He was trying to work on a deal with New Jersey and then Columbus offered him more money.
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it is going to suck though if they just don't rate Holtz as an A prospect lol and Meier goes somewhere else that being said Holtz breaking out next year would also rule
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Koopa Kid posted:The funniest thing about the Gaudreau situation is that if even half the stuff he said at signing was true he just really, really seems to like Columbus It'd be one thing if he got booed in Calgary. That's fine. But he got booed in New Jersey. And Long Island. And then, for some inexplicable reason, Edmonton* and Vancouver. ( I can't remember if he did in Philly or not, though they may realize their own GM is to blame there.) Bread didn't take that kind of heat for passing on Florida and the Islanders. e- "*YT or it didn't happen": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XlP-tWHVeQ&t=434s CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Heavily implicated by who? He was trying to work on a deal with New Jersey and then Columbus offered him more money. you sure the devils offer was lower? that isn't what i remember hearing.
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Zodijackylite posted:I couldn't help but notice you're his teammate on the Saginaw Spirit. T-Bone is Koko now Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Heavily implicated by who? He was trying to work on a deal with New Jersey and then Columbus offered him more money. Devils offer was better, he just liked Columbus
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T-Bone posted:Yeah I think they can actually turn it around reasonably quickly if they get Bedard and Johnson pans out. Probably even if they get one of the other big guys and Johnson pans out. They'd have a young core of Kent Johnson, Cole Sillinger, Kirill Marchenko, Dmitri Voronkov, 2023 1st rounder, and David Jiricek potentially cracking the lineup next year. My concern with Johnson (and Marchenko) is a sophomore slump. Hopefully, Sillinger can pick it back up if they send him to Cleveland in the post-season and that will translate to year 3. If that can happen, one of KJ/Marchy can avoid a slump (Johnson has shown signs of being potentially elite, but there's some fine-tuning to his game still needed; Marchy has been a scoring machine) and they add Jiricek and Bedard (or Fantilli, etc., which seems fairly certain at this point), they could right the ship quickly.
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I remember at the time and everything in I'm finding now had the Devils' offer at 9 per.
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