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Kinda stupid villain, might be 3betting a LITTLE light, but could just be running good. Probably 3bets AQ. I raise A K UTG to 4, 1 caller, villain 3bets on the button to 14, I 4bet to 38, villain calls. Pot 80, effective stack sizes 62. Flop:2  48Check/fold or shove?
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Live hand from Mohegan 1/2 NL: I'm SB with about $280, dealt 4s6s Villain is button with around the same, maybe $30 less. Seems like a fairly good player from some discussion about playing online and stuff, we'd shared a few beat stories etc. PF had a few limpers, I call. Flop comes 8s3s2s. I bet $15-18(somwhere in there), folds to villain who calls. Here I'm thinking he likely has an As and maybe that 8. Turn Ac. I bet $55(a bit more than the pot with the intention of getting rid of a flush draw). Villain calls. River 8d. I look, sigh saying to myself saying he probably just got his full house. Villain bets $30. Into that pot I couldn't think of any way I can get away from the hand for such a small bet into that big of a pot, call and he unsurprisingly turns over As8c. Should I have shoved the turn here? Check/shove? I don't think I can fold this river even though I've just told myself I'm beaten because with the river check he may be betting trips or aces. Yea, I know I probably shouldn't be calling that to begin with, but postflop I felt like I had a good enough read on most of the people on the table to know there weren't any made flushes.
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TheSleeper posted:Live hand from Mohegan 1/2 NL:
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Ranma4703 posted:Kinda stupid villain, might be 3betting a LITTLE light, but could just be running good. Probably 3bets AQ. I raise A
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Oct 7, 2008 00:30
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Meep posted:This is an auto-shove on like 95% of your flops but not this one. On this flop you have barely any fold equity since he's probably calling a shove with any pair or reasonable spade so you have to c/f it. I ran the poker ev - when called, if I give him a range of QQ+,JcJs,JdJh,JhJs,AsKs,AsQs,AcKs,AdKs,AhKs,AsKc,AsKd,AsKh,AsQc,AsQd,AsQh, which is 1/2 JJ combos, and full AQ w/ A , and AK w/ A its 79-21, which has an ev of -19.5bb when called. When he folds, the EV is 80bb. So, he has to fold 25% of the time (if I'm doing my math correctly - I might be wrong) for it to be +ev. If his range is AK/AQ/ 1/2 JJ / QQ+, thats PP combos: 15 AK combos: 9 AQ combos: 12 Total: 36 Has to fold: 9 Folding: AK w/o A 3AQ w/o A 4for a total of 7. If he folds the A occasionally, it might be +ev, but overall yeah I think it is -ev.
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Oct 7, 2008 01:22
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?3292221 Villain is a random and probably my first orbit, only info on him is I saw him berating some guy for his play when I joined the table (didnt see the hand). c/c two streets there fine? I'm definately not folding river, just wondering whether to check call again or just shove.
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Oct 8, 2008 00:50
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I would have bet or c/r flop or crai turn since you have so little left and a 4th club may be an action killer
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Oct 8, 2008 01:42
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?3292431 Villains first hand and he limps utg. Anyone call on the riv there? I know the flush draw missed, but thats about it, I think even a retard wouldn't expect me to fold to a bluff there, soo good fold?
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Oct 8, 2008 01:42
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http://weaktight.com/442756 Don't know anything about villain. http://weaktight.com/442757 Still nothin. http://weaktight.com/442758 Minraise was super weak, I don't really like this hand because minraises are never what I think they are. http://weaktight.com/442760 Villain loose and stationy, called a lot with a lot of different hands. http://weaktight.com/442761 Same villain, earlier hand. http://weaktight.com/442762 Too many shorties at this table, probably shouldn't have even raised this pre, but need a line check. I had imagined he would fold to the second barrel, and if not I'd make money when i hit one of my gazillion outs.
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Oct 8, 2008 03:00
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Biggy: At first it looked to me like everything missed on the river so it would be a tough spot, but 78 actually just got there. So yeah I would fold and put villain squarely on 78 or a slowplayed KT, he will have a busted FD some percentage of the time but against an unknown I think people are still pretty passive in general at this level so it isn't very likely. You are getting 3:1 though which is really enticing, if the river was a blank I might make the crying call. As a standard for me I am betting around $20 on the turn, probably a little more on the flop as well. Once you get to the river like this I like the bet size though.
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Oct 8, 2008 03:06
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Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442756 1. c/c like half pot 2. I'd call and expect to lose a little on this 3:1 by occasionally beating KQ or random trash but finding out what this guy is min c/ring turn and leading river with is valuable information 3. I'm tempted to check behind and win by accident although I think a half pot b/f is ok too, then file the result away for future use 4. I don't like raising AJ OOP unless this guy is a really awful calling station and will pay you off a lot on the turn/riv and never try to steal - as played b/f and grats if he backed into trips 5. fold, worst possible turn card and you need to be non-crushed (naked spade or worse) about 45% of the time to make a profit 6. c/f, like you said not raising is probably better and makes your play easier
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Having no information, this is generally how I'd play these. I'm at the same level.Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442756 I'd most likely place villain on a flush draw. Once in a blue moon it's a retarded JJ hand that they just passively call down with. I'd probably bet/fold. Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442757 I'd probably expect to see either two pair or kq, or a really really passive preflop/flop AK. I think you are behind most of the time, but you are getting 3-1 on your call. Personally, I'd fold. Turn check/raises followed by river donk bets at these levels usually means you need better than tptk. Edit: I like Behold's line better. Call and get the information. Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442758 Fold pre. As played, fold to the c/r. I'd usually put him on slowplaying a big hand and he's not folding no matter what you bet because he's only got $12 left with $16 in the pot. Minraises at this level are bad news about 90% of the time. He only slowed down because of the flush card, but I don't think he's throwing his hand away. Not enough in his stack versus what's in the pot. Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442760 I think you are behind here but he might have a much weaker ace that he came along with. I think I'd take a check/call unless it's over halfpot, then check/fold. Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442761 Well, what did he do in the earlier hand? Which hand was it? What did he show(or not show)? With out any other information, you don't have the A , $22 in the pot, $10 to you to call, I think you've got to fold. Two different draws complete on the turn.Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442762 I'd fire a third barrel assuming he was on a better flush draw that didn't get there. He may be on a weak ace, but more often than not a shortie will just get it in on you if he hits top pair. Bet his last $5 and cry when he calls with A3o. Teppec fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Oct 8, 2008 |
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Oct 8, 2008 04:46
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1. betfold 2. this can either be a call or a fold depending on the opponent. you need to know at least a little about your opponent, like at the very least whether he's generally passive, aggressive, tight, or loose! 3. check and give up 4. this is the most interesting spot, and i think teppec is way off. bet pot; he has one pot sized bet left and so you can't bet/fold like beholdmycape suggests. if you check/call, he will check behind with weaker aces and bet tens and flush draws. if you bet, he will call aces, tens, and flush draws. he is unlikely to fire the river as a bluff here, because air is not much of his range at all. 5. call 6. overbet this flop. bet $5. if called, check turn intending to call a river bet. preflop is fine on all 6. 5463 fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 8, 2008 |
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Oct 8, 2008 06:22
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Spastic Moose posted:http://weaktight.com/442756 Hand 2, check behind turn intending to call small river bet, he "never" has AK (because he didn't 3bet pre right!?), but sometimes 98, 55, JT, QJ etc all fit because they play bad. Hand 3, fold pre, fold flop, as played check behind river. Hand 4, bet 1.8 or 2 on flop, check/call turn, bet fold river. As played I probably check/call river because he will bluff some of his range (unless he's a total nit who only bets river with something nutty). Hand 5, usually check behind turn, as played fold. Depends on villain, your recent image, whatever.
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Oct 8, 2008 18:34
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Can somebody justify the bet/fold line for me on #4? Effective stacks are ~$16 deep, and he has reads that the opponent is a station.
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Oct 8, 2008 19:02
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Results posted for all of the hands and I think they were all pretty drat weird. I pretended not to see 5463's post because it doesn't make any sense at all. brb 2.5xing pot with draw
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Oct 8, 2008 20:30
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Spastic Moose posted:Results posted for all of the hands and I think they were all pretty drat weird. I pretended not to see 5463's post because it doesn't make any sense at all. brb 2.5xing pot with draw He took the time to actually look over your hands and give you advice unlike anyone who hasn't posted. Don't degrade someone who does you a favor. Whether he is right or wrong. You play nl20 6max and shouldn't be "pretending to not see" someone else's post, maybe they have some insight, maybe not but disrespectful none the less. Just because someone disagrees with the way I think the hand should be played, doesn't mean I should disrespect him for taking the time to look at my hand.
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Oct 8, 2008 21:33
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souLjah posted:He took the time to actually look over your hands and give you advice unlike anyone who hasn't posted. Don't degrade someone who does you a favor. Whether he is right or wrong. You play nl20 6max and shouldn't be "pretending to not see" someone else's post, maybe they have some insight, maybe not but disrespectful none the less. Just because someone disagrees with the way I think the hand should be played, doesn't mean I should disrespect him for taking the time to look at my hand. yeah but it's albino skunk
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Oct 8, 2008 21:56
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5463 posted:Can somebody justify the bet/fold line for me on #4? Effective stacks are ~$16 deep, and he has reads that the opponent is a station. Here's my thought process: $17.75 or 1.3x pot behind on the river and you do not want to pay that entire stack for a showdown with an ok TP. Board paired and flop diamond draw got there. Betting lets you set your price (1/3-1/2 pot) against a bad/passive opponent who is unlikely to recognize what you are doing and punish your blocking bet. He is very unlikely to raise you with worse nor is he likely to bluff you off your ace and it is an easy fold to a shove of about 3x your lead.
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Oct 8, 2008 23:40
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Spastic Moose posted:Results posted for all of the hands and I think they were all pretty drat weird. I pretended not to see 5463's post because it doesn't make any sense at all. brb 2.5xing pot with draw wow the results since those are so important in no limit hold'em ill prove all of you wrong here are the results!!!!
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:Here's my thought process: $17.75 or 1.3x pot behind on the river and you do not want to pay that entire stack for a showdown with an ok TP. Board paired and flop diamond draw got there. Betting lets you set your price (1/3-1/2 pot) against a bad/passive opponent who is unlikely to recognize what you are doing and punish your blocking bet. He is very unlikely to raise you with worse nor is he likely to bluff you off your ace and it is an easy fold to a shove of about 3x your lead. OK, I think you're outplaying yourself and missing some value. Here's why: Yes, betting half pot and folding to a raise, supposing your opponent never raises a worse hand, is a way to get calls from small to medium pocket pairs, weak aces, and middle pairs. You may get called (not raised), in fact, by made flushes and tens. However, your opponent is a station! You should be taking these players to valuetown regularly, because their leak is primarily exploited by large river value bets. Absent any other information, he will call a shove nearly 100% as much as a half-pot bet, because this is how you got the read he was a station in the first place. So, here are the results: In scenario 1, you get away for half-pot when he has any hand that he's calling or raising you with. In scenario 2, you "get away" for a pot sized bet when he has any hand that he's calling or raising you with. Finally, since he's a station, you should tend to weight his showdown range towards weaker hands. So, you are actually costing yourself the difference between 1/2pot and a shove in equity every time you get the chance to take a station to valuetown in this manner. Think about it like this: If his hand is by far most likely to be a ten or a flush draw, why bet at all? Check fold (or, if he gives you a good price, call). The fact that we want to value bet this river at all is an indication that his range is much wider than this, and correctly so. Spastic Moose posted:Results posted for all of the hands and I think they were all pretty drat weird. I pretended not to see 5463's post because it doesn't make any sense at all. brb 2.5xing pot with draw that's cool I shouldn't coach the fish anyway 5463 fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Oct 9, 2008 |
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bbc what it dew posted:wow the results since those are so important in no limit hold'em Woah chan don't be so abrasive i was just showing these fine gentlemen what happened in the hands I posted. 5463 posted:that's cool I shouldn't coach the fish anyway tell me about your poker theories.
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Oct 9, 2008 20:27
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Spastic Moose posted:tell me about your poker theories. Post more hand results. Those are wicked interesting.
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Spastic Moose posted:tell me about your poker theories. i disagree with him on a lot of stuff and dont think he is that good of a player/near as good as he thinks he is but theres a decent chance that hes better than you
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Oct 10, 2008 05:48
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Cake .02/.04 7 people seated, I'm button. BB has .73 UTG has 4.43 I have 3.32(was playing a lot of tables and didn't have the chance to rebuy) UTG raises to .14 folds to me, I call with 9 TSB folds BB calls Pot is .44 Flop: 8 67 BB pushes all in for .59 UTG calls What do I do? No real read on UTG other than that he doesn't seem to go to many showdowns. I flopped the high straight, but that isn't exactly a hugely powerful flush should another diamond show and I'm not exactly putting it past UTG to have raised with JTs or something. At the time I chose to make a pot sized raise, UTG folded, BB had 6 5, I took down the pot. As soon as I made the raise I felt like I should have just called or minraised to try to keep UTG around. With what I'm thinking was probably AQ/AJ or something like.Hand 2: Still Cake .02/.04 I'm BB with 4.00 Villain is seat 6 with 6.00 Folds to Villain, who limps followed by 1 fold and 3 calls. I check with 3 JFlop A JAI make a PSB, villain minraises, everybody else folds, I tank a bit and call. Turn A At this point I think an ace likely would have more than minraised me on the flop and this A makes it all that much less likely he's holding one so I put him on a J. Even if he has JJ it's irrelevant cause we've got the same full house now, so I open shove for 3.52 hoping to push him off his J and at worst add to the rake for the pot we'll split. He calls and turns over A K.
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Oct 10, 2008 05:49
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M E A T Y posted:i disagree with him on a lot of stuff and dont think he is that good of a player/near as good as he thinks he is but theres a decent chance that hes better than you I think you could be wrong here. I'm not sure if albino skunk has mastered the semi-bluff call yet. Sleeper: There's nothing wrong with raising in the first hand. I think it would be pretty crazy even for 4NL for UTG to have AQ or AJ without a flush draw. He's got to have some kind of hand here and there are a ton of cards that kill your action on the turn so you might as well try and get it in against someone who is probably going to feel a little committed with whatever he has. Second hand is pretty villain dependent but shoving the turn is definitely terrible (he is not going to fold a jack). When you think that the villain would have more than minraised you on the flop with an ace you are dead wrong, that is exactly the amount he would raise with an ace. Once I call flop I am probably not looking to give much action unless this guy is capable of bluffing here which he most likely is not. I would probably fold flop against a lot of guys, but once you get to the turn I would maybe c/c turn depending on the villain and how much he bets.
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TheSleeper posted:..... I am raising here cause there are plenty of hands UTG could have. He could of raised w/ 88 or 99 but he prob would of popped if he had those. I raise it up here though, trying to get it in, if the flush hits and UTG doesn't have it, it will kill the action for you. Hand2 Personally I am not betting this flop w/ 5 people in it? As played though, I would check/call the turn. By pushing the turn there, you will only get called by hands that beat you or tie you, most of the time. Any J will call here, any over pair will call here. Most pairs under the J won't call that push. souLjah fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Oct 10, 2008 |
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Oct 10, 2008 08:38
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in hand 1 a PSB is more or less all in, you want to kind of reverse pot commit him here by raising an amount that's too small for him to fold to but large enough that he's basically forced to call your AI on the turn. I would make it $1.75 or whatever. in hand 2 potting the flop is lol bad, calling the minraise is lol bad, open shoving the turn is even worse.
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Oct 10, 2008 08:49
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Spastic Moose posted:tell me about your poker theories. Long before your stupid newbie avatar, there were other avatars that hated me. And, others before them. The turnover rate is PITR is pretty high, and I'm a betting man, so I'd bet like 10:1 that you won't be posting here in six months. And that would be a tragedy, because your contribution to this forum is immeasurable.
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Oct 10, 2008 10:54
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5463 says some stupid poo poo, and is unable to admit that he is wrong. But he is still a better poker player than you Spastic Moose, and does actually try to contribute helpful answers to people, so making GBS threads all over him is probably a dick move.
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5463 posted:Long before your stupid newbie avatar, there were other avatars that hated me. And, others before them. and you STILL wont leave
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Oct 10, 2008 15:31
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please don't poo poo up this thread
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Ranma4703 posted:5463 says some stupid poo poo, and is unable to admit that he is wrong. Yes Ranma4703 posted:But he is still a better poker player than you Spastic Moose Maybe Ranma4703 posted:and does actually try to contribute helpful answers to people Almost certainly not Ranma4703 posted:so making GBS threads all over him is probably a dick move. No, it's a PITR regulation
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gently caress if only the forums had an ignore list or something
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Some heads up hands http://www.pokerhand.org/?3306576 Meh, getting pretty good odds and villain can be bluffing a good number of whiffed draws here. http://www.pokerhand.org/?3306589 For some reason pokerhand won't remove results, but there has been a lot of 3betting and villain has been trying to get the better of me, not just playing straightforward. Plus, DC tells me that the first 4bet is a bluff, so SHOOOOOVE. http://www.pokerhand.org/?3306607 He bet too large, not sure what he bets that big with that doesn't protect on the turn, besides 22 or maybe AJ but he isn't thinking at that level. Also, lots of draws whiffed. http://www.pokerhand.org/?3306613 How to play if villain is likely to check/raise and is aggressive?
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Full Tilt Poker Game #8434546040: Table New Brunswick - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:18:34 ET - 2008/10/10 Seat 1: 1joemomma2 ($53.10) Seat 2: FeltedinLife ($9.90) Seat 3: SuperFra ($9.40) Seat 4: blakjak5 ($3.90) Seat 5: Benq2000X ($4.65) Seat 6: Keystoned ($28.20) Seat 7: mrcassius ($6.10) Seat 8: vigs_set ($9.40) Seat 9: 4d0Z ($22.90) SuperFra posts the small blind of $0.10 blakjak5 posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Keystoned [Kh Qh] Benq2000X folds Keystoned raises to $0.85 mrcassius folds vigs_set folds 4d0Z folds 1joemomma2 folds FeltedinLife calls $0.85 SuperFra folds blakjak5 calls $0.60 *** FLOP *** [Qs Td 9d] blakjak5 checks Keystoned bets $1.75 FeltedinLife calls $1.75 blakjak5 folds *** TURN *** [Qs Td 9d] [7h] Keystoned bets $3.25 FeltedinLife calls $3.25 *** RIVER *** [Qs Td 9d 7h] [4d] Keystoned bets $9.25 I shove the river for value, villain has about $4 left. No reads really, I just feel like I have a good hand against a normal nl25tard.
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I don't know if this is right, but on flop, I'd bet pot or very close to it. Pot is 2.65, you bet 1.75. I know if I'm in position on you with a flush draw, I'm calling there. Turn the pot is 6.15, you barely bet half pot. If you are worried about a draw that's already there like KJ, why bet at all? If you think he's chasing a flush or has a shittier Q, why leave him with $4 when he's barely got more than a potsize bet on the turn? Not too mention that halfpot bet basically gives him 3-1 to call with a flush draw. Now, the pot is over $12, and you aren't folding to the flush if he hits it for another $4 on the end at that point. If you are going to bet the turn, just put him in. I'm guessing he called and showed you a flush, or kj, or 2-pair or possibly a very passive AQ. MAYBE qj, but doubtful. You either need more aggression and larger bets to push off draws, or play for a cheap showdown here and pot control. I think you took a bad line here right down the middle. Teppec fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Oct 11, 2008 |
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Spastic Moose posted:tell me about your poker theories. challenge him to HU4ROLLZ
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blah_blah posted:challenge him to HU4ROLLZ I would like to see this cricket eater joe posted:....... I am betting pot or close to it on the flop and betting more than 1/2 on the turn, if he has less than pot then put him in at this point. souLjah fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Oct 11, 2008 |
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Ranma4703 posted:Some heads up hands holy poo poo wat are these hands
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