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Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

Darth Walrus posted:

He's been trying to say now that they were imposed from above by Osborne shrinking his welfare budget, and he's been trying to mitigate it/looking for an excuse to quit in protest for a while. Basically, I need some sources on him in maximum 'gently caress the poor' mode.

IDS posted:

I have for some time and rather reluctantly come to believe that the latest changes to benefits to the disabled, and the context in which they’ve been made are, a compromise too far. While they are defensible in narrow terms, given the continuing deficit, they are not defensible in the way they were placed within a budget that benefits higher earning taxpayers. They should have instead been part of a wider process to engage others in finding the best way to better focus resources on those most in need.

Cuts are great, just don't make us look bad plz.

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Igiari
Sep 14, 2007

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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Prince John posted:

Feel free to ignore this post, but you may want to keep in mind that the laws around harassment and causing alarm/distress are pretty broadly drafted as you continue with your campaign and looking at that post (as a non-lawyer) it feels a bit like you're skirting that line, especially with the doxxing and the references to turning up at his home address. An MP feeling that his family is at risk at their home (even if they're not) and subject to continual public harassment (in their eyes) might decide to involve the police at some point if he's being a dick, which would make life even shittier for you. Totally understand if your strength of feeling is such that you don't care, and good luck with it.

Thanks for your concerns. I'm fully aware of the laws and how close I skirt, prod and over-step them. I have a history of doing the same with Scientology and other orgs. He knows that getting me arrested for harassment would do nothing but draw more attention to the realities of the ESA cuts. He lives alone in a high security gated complex, and I've already agreed with the security lodge that I'll avoid Oliver's damp and dingy part of the estate since doxing him, and not bother him at home. He is not at risk.

Re: harassment and causing alarm and distress, it would be interesting to be able to represent myself in court, in my own lovely health, and be able to tell a jury about how alarmed, harassed and distressed I am and the majority of disabled people in the UK are etc. etc. That then becomes public record, and papers will print about it... and Oliver will look like a complete nasty poo poo. "This guy in a wheelchair who's at genuine risk of death from neglect due to the policies I helped vote in is harassing me..."

I literally have nothing to lose, and fighting him in the way that I'm doing seems to be the only medicine I can find to stop myself taking the final journey so to speak.... It also seems to be stopping my friends from doing the same too.

But i do appreciate everyone's concerns. I was on a pain scale of 9 last night which makes my language quite direct.

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Mar 20, 2016

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Pissflaps wants to back to when labour were promising to be Tougher that the Tories on welfare.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Laradus posted:

You mean like this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/15/iain-duncan-smith-statistics-benefits-cap

Or, just a year later;

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/16/iain-duncan-smith-used-false-statistics-to-justify-disabilit

Unfortunately while belief is good enough for him, I think most would need evidence if he's claiming he wasn't backing and supporting these cuts.

Useful, thank you, but I've found an even better one for anyone else who needs help persuading people.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
loving hell, living in the bubble of American politics where its a big reality show and nothing actually matters and you can just laugh and troll because everything will probably be alright no matter what really doesn't prepare you for checking in on modern tory britiain

:yikes:

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

fuctifino posted:

I literally have nothing to lose, and fighting him in the way that I'm doing seems to be the only medicine I can find to stop myself taking the final journey so to speak.... It also seems to be stopping my friends from doing the same too.

But i do appreciate everyone's concerns. I was on a pain scale of 9 last night which makes my language quite direct.

As much as I support your political stance, it would be remiss of me as a doctor to not express concern about you talking like this. If you are feeling suicidal and if your pain is not well controlled then seek help, either from your GP or from another professional. Government cuts are as lovely as they come, but we have had enough people committing suicide over them and I'm sure in reality you have a lot more to live for than drawing attention to this scumbag government (admirable a cause though it is). We need you around to help build the glorious new Corbyn-topia, so please don't let things get to a dangerous point.

Chocolate Teapot
May 8, 2009

Hoops posted:

Stop posting solely about about posters, it's sad as gently caress.

As long as we're cursed with this dithering, disingenuous whiner then it'll always keep popping up. That flaps can't even commit to any endorsement of just about anything whatsoever only makes it fair for everyone else to put words in his mouth.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Laradus posted:

You mean like this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/15/iain-duncan-smith-statistics-benefits-cap

Or, just a year later;

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/16/iain-duncan-smith-used-false-statistics-to-justify-disabilit

Unfortunately while belief is good enough for him, I think most would need evidence if he's claiming he wasn't backing and supporting these cuts.

I admire your optimism.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
Getting all of my news from the UK through the lens of my commie dad is pretty great though:

quote:

osborne is under fire from his own side for cutting the taxes of the higher rate payers while simultaneously clobbering the 'disabled' with cuts to PIP and ESA, up to 150 quid a week in some cases. hes also being called out for his bullshit deficit figures, making out he'll produce a surplus. ( hes not bothered anyway cos he hopes to be in no. 10 by then)

now heres my strategy if i was the opposition. they should abstain, sit this out while those tories not ideologically pure enough rebel against the government, but the worst aspects will still be passed, in the commons and the lords. people must suffer the full force of austerian neo liberalism, this will help to wake them from their false conciousness slumber , and accelerate the uk towards the revolutionary agrarian green utopian future, ( with modern characteristics) ie everyone shall have chickens, but with an electric fence. the economy proposed by john mcdonnel sounds good to me, but first we must pass through the final stage of tory 'free market ' fetish capitalism.

this is the perfect society we need! forward to the agrarian socialist utopia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrg3UMjf-ro

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

jabby posted:

As much as I support your political stance, it would be remiss of me as a doctor to not express concern about you talking like this. If you are feeling suicidal and if your pain is not well controlled then seek help, either from your GP or from another professional. Government cuts are as lovely as they come, but we have had enough people committing suicide over them and I'm sure in reality you have a lot more to live for than drawing attention to this scumbag government (admirable a cause though it is). We need you around to help build the glorious new Corbyn-topia, so please don't let things get to a dangerous point.

The pain I can handle.

It's the thought of having zero future and literally being starved to death and losing my care, support and mobility is what spirals me down the dark thoughts. Fighting back helps drag me out of those spirals... It's hard to explain, but confronting Colvile in the way that I have has empowered someone who has felt absolutely no power for the past 4 years.

Re the pain, I have CFS, and the only thing that really works for pain associated with that is cannabis (I've exhausted all options other than opiates, which I don't want to take yet). And touch wood, I've been managing the CFS pain pretty well. It's the ongoing 15 month kidney infection and kidney stone attacks that push it up to a 9. I had such an attack last night & it's still going on today. Morphine is the only thing that relieves such pain, and I'm leaving those types of meds until I really need them...

Laradus
Feb 16, 2011

Dabir posted:

I admire your optimism.

I'm mentally ill in the UK - optimism is not something I have. Which is why i'm supporting Fuct's crusade because it's always good to have a reason to actually bother going on :)

Edit ^^ See. I think this is probably what IDS meant about encouraging those on disability to strive and get on. The system works!

Laradus fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 20, 2016

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Are there any charities that we can contribute to in order to help cover the shortfall in government assistance for disabled people, even if it's only by the modest amount such a charity can provide?

It's what the government wants too, of course, but given the choice between dead disabled people and even a couple more living ones I think the choice is fairly clear.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Who knew the 'Silent Man' would be a snitch.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Mr Dog posted:

Are there any charities that we can contribute to in order to help cover the shortfall in government assistance for disabled people, even if it's only by the modest amount such a charity can provide?

Turns out the tories were right, the BIG SOCIETY will take up the slack.

It's genius really. Cut taxes for the wealthiest and let the poor and disabled fend for themselves. Then let the people with actual consciences pay to take care of them from their own modest incomes because they don't want to see them die on the streets.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

If the government did hypothetically want disabled people to end their lives, they'd want them to do so quietly, terrified, and alone.

That's not the only way that one can do so. :happyelf:

I'm definitely not encouraging anything here, just pointing out that if the government really does want to push desperate people to suicide then sometimes that comes with unintended consequences.

Nice av :stare:

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
fuctifino - If you seriously aren't getting the painkillers you need, drop your email or skype and I'll make a few suggestions. I studied pharmaceutical chemistry and I know a lot of tips and tricks to make things go longer and stronger, as well as making some otherwise ineffectual compounds do the trick. You can get megacheap pills over here in the States that do the job that I'd be happy to send you if you need them and don't have any cash.

Best of luck mate.

Guavanaut posted:

If the government did hypothetically want disabled people to end their lives, they'd want them to do so quietly, terrified, and alone.

That's not the only way that one can do so. :happyelf:

I'm definitely not encouraging anything here, just pointing out that if the government really does want to push desperate people to suicide then sometimes that comes with unintended consequences.

My dad always told me if you're going to commit suicide take a load of rich twats out with you.

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jabby
Oct 27, 2010

fuctifino posted:

The pain I can handle.

It's the thought of having zero future and literally being starved to death and losing my care, support and mobility is what spirals me down the dark thoughts. Fighting back helps drag me out of those spirals... It's hard to explain, but confronting Colvile in the way that I have has empowered someone who has felt absolutely no power for the past 4 years.

Re the pain, I have CFS, and the only thing that really works for pain associated with that is cannabis (I've exhausted all options other than opiates, which I don't want to take yet). And touch wood, I've been managing the CFS pain pretty well. It's the ongoing 15 month kidney infection and kidney stone attacks that push it up to a 9. I had such an attack last night & it's still going on today. Morphine is the only thing that relieves such pain, and I'm leaving those types of meds until I really need them...

If you're in 9/10 pain from kidney stones, take some drat opioids. Unless you are using them on a daily basis they pose no problem at all. And if you do need them on a daily basis, they probably won't ruin your life as much as constant pain will.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

The Saurus posted:

Turns out the tories were right, the BIG SOCIETY will take up the slack.

It's genius really. Cut taxes for the wealthiest and let the poor and disabled fend for themselves. Then let the people with actual consciences pay to take care of them from their own modest incomes because they don't want to see them die on the streets.

This is the same the US Republicans want americans to live by.
Got cancer? Charity should help you pay for it, ask your church to do a few bake sales.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

fuctifino posted:

Thanks for your concerns. I'm fully aware of the laws and how close I skirt, prod and over-step them. I have a history of doing the same with Scientology and other orgs. He knows that getting me arrested for harassment would do nothing but draw more attention to the realities of the ESA cuts. He lives alone in a high security gated complex, and I've already agreed with the security lodge that I'll avoid Oliver's damp and dingy part of the estate since doxing him, and not bother him at home. He is not at risk.

Re: harassment and causing alarm and distress, it would be interesting to be able to represent myself in court, in my own lovely health, and be able to tell a jury about how alarmed, harassed and distressed I am and the majority of disabled people in the UK are etc. etc. That then becomes public record, and papers will print about it... and Oliver will look like a complete nasty poo poo. "This guy in a wheelchair who's at genuine risk of death from neglect due to the policies I helped vote in is harassing me..."

I literally have nothing to lose, and fighting him in the way that I'm doing seems to be the only medicine I can find to stop myself taking the final journey so to speak.... It also seems to be stopping my friends from doing the same too.

But i do appreciate everyone's concerns. I was on a pain scale of 9 last night which makes my language quite direct.

Just make sure you bring some mates with cameras to record any events you go to. Both for the edification of the youtubes and for your own defence in court.

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

The Saurus posted:

loving hell, living in the bubble of American politics where its a big reality show and nothing actually matters and you can just laugh and troll because everything will probably be alright no matter what really doesn't prepare you for checking in on modern tory britiain

:yikes:

This is why I tend to follow US politics more closely than UK politics. American politics is both more entertaining and less grindingly depressing to follow since it's not happening in my country. I have to dip in and out lest I shoot myself.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

jabby posted:

If you're in 9/10 pain from kidney stones, take some drat opioids. Unless you are using them on a daily basis they pose no problem at all. And if you do need them on a daily basis, they probably won't ruin your life as much as constant pain will.

Thanks for the reality slap. I've just been on the phone to NHS 111 out of hours service, and am waiting for a call back. Not sure if they are able to inject me with something until I get to see my GP tomorrow, but we'll see.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

fuctifino posted:

Thanks for the reality slap. I've just been on the phone to NHS 111 out of hours service, and am waiting for a call back. Not sure if they are able to inject me with something until I get to see my GP tomorrow, but we'll see.

111 is not a medical service and wouldn't be able to oversee codeine let alone morphine, do you have a community nurse? Kidney pain is something you shouldn't have to tolerate

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Spangly A posted:

111 is not a medical service and wouldn't be able to oversee codeine let alone morphine, do you have a community nurse? Kidney pain is something you shouldn't have to tolerate

No, I've never had a need for a community nurse. My care needs are handled with 4-6 hrs a week care by a private company, but as there is little to no treatment avail on the NHS for CFS, I haven't used them much.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



fuctifino posted:

Thanks for the reality slap. I've just been on the phone to NHS 111 out of hours service, and am waiting for a call back. Not sure if they are able to inject me with something until I get to see my GP tomorrow, but we'll see.

I will say what I always say when anyone mentions 111. They let my brother die, do not trust them. Just call 999.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Trickjaw posted:

I will say what I always say when anyone mentions 111. They let my brother die, do not trust them. Just call 999.

:( poo poo, I remember your story.... 111 last time prescribed me an antibiotic that was no longer available, meaning that I had to wait 24 hours with a full unmedicated kidney infection before I could be prescribed something that was available.

999 = a trip to Derriford Hospital. Everyone who I know who has been there lately has been infected with nasty superbugs.... I want to avoid that place unless I really have to go.

To be honest, it looks like I'm going to have to wait til tomorrow morning and get an emergency appt with GP.

I'll be alright. Pain is good for the Stimpire.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Please do not reply to The Saurus credulously. He talks about being a communist but wants people to vote for Donald Trump.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


fuctifino posted:

No, I've never had a need for a community nurse. My care needs are handled with 4-6 hrs a week care by a private company, but as there is little to no treatment avail on the NHS for CFS, I haven't used them much.

Thanks for fighting the good fight you brave, mad bastard.
Keep trying to give these government shits a brief bitter taste of actual reality. And stay safe, forum buddy.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I didn't realise the 111 service did prescriptions I thought they just gave advice.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Tesseraction posted:

Please do not reply to The Saurus credulously. He talks about being a communist but wants people to vote for Donald Trump.

Maybe he's an accelerationist?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

Maybe he's an accelerationist?

Nope, be believes that Donald Trump will give him better health insurance and deport the Mexicans.

awesome-express
Dec 30, 2008

Tesseraction posted:

Nope, be believes that Donald Trump will give him better health insurance and deport the Mexicans.

Trump is the most left leaning republican candidate.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

awesome-express posted:

Trump is the most left leaning republican candidate.

lets not pretend donald trump has nuanced political views or is anything more than an overly rich hyperactive moron

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

awesome-express posted:

Trump is the most left leaning republican candidate.

Actually at this point John Kasich is currently the most left-leaning, for the janky definition of that. Trump's released healthcare is 'deregulate, let the free market sort it out' whereas Kasich wants to expand Medicaid and sees gay marriage as being settled as of the supreme court ruling.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

awesome-express posted:

Drumpf is the most left leaning republican candidate.

Don't try to justify The 'I pimp my wife' Saurus.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Dabir posted:

Don't try to justify The 'I pimp my wife' Saurus.

Let's not shame sex workers.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

nopantsjack posted:

Thanks for fighting the good fight you brave, mad bastard.
Keep trying to give these government shits a brief bitter taste of actual reality. And stay safe, forum buddy.

I'm not brave. I have an inability to feel fear due to a lack of adrenalin... it's a big difference ;) I was a bit of a coward before I fell ill. The 'fear' of my future is not adrenalin based, and is depression based.

I am a mad bastard though. I'll give you that ;)

Pissflaps posted:

I didn't realise the 111 service did prescriptions I thought they just gave advice.

They arranged for an out of hours GP to visit, who prescribed an antibiotic that had been withdrawn. I had to go into town with full-blown kidney infection in the wheelchair to pick up the non-existent meds... and they didn't call me back to correct the mistake until the pharmacy was closed. Yay 111.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I don't think I'd enjoy posting half as much if I couldn't produce adrenalin.

fuctifino posted:

They arranged for an out of hours GP to visit, who prescribed an antibiotic that had been withdrawn. I had to go into town with full-blown kidney infection in the wheelchair to pick up the non-existent meds... and they didn't call me back to correct the mistake until the pharmacy was closed. Yay 111.

Tbf that sounds more like a fault with the GP than 111.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Let's not shame sex workers.

I'm not. I'm shaming The 'I think Donald Trump will be good for America' Saurus.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

Actually at this point John Kasich is currently the most left-leaning, for the janky definition of that. Trump's released healthcare is 'deregulate, let the free market sort it out' whereas Kasich wants to expand Medicaid and sees gay marriage as being settled as of the supreme court ruling.

Kasich does tie with Ted Cruz on 'most nightmarish stance on abortion', though.

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