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Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

cinci zoo sniper posted:

im лоллирую in solidarity with you

ספסיבו, טובריש.

Also:

https://twitter.com/Zn_Portnova/status/855342135809277952

:neckbeard:

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:24

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# ? Jun 25, 2024 15:24

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

mandatory lesbian posted:

like is anyone reading this guys posts, look at this how do you stay awake

i read every post that is short or obviously a meme

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:28

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Absurd Alhazred posted:

ספסיבו, טובריש.

Also:

https://twitter.com/Zn_Portnova/status/855342135809277952

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:29

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Volkerball posted:

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=74.4&d=1.1&g=59.2&s=74.1

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:30

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:48

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Lurdiak posted:

# ? Apr 23, 2017 08:48

Randler: Jan 3, 2013; ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

exmarx posted:

Don't let that single good opinion of him distract you from Melenchon being a hard nationalist who uses talking points of Le Pen and Trump under a thin veneer of leftism.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:31

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

man, im reading up on french candidates now, and its real loving bleak. semi-honestly hoping macron wins so the non-french europeans get hosed the least

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:36

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the eu in its current form is fundamentally unstable and also poo poo, in need of serious constitutional reform

vote melenchon

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:47

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

no its ok france is so good and cool and only americans are racist and bad --europe

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:48

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

corn in the bible posted:

no its ok france is so good and cool and only americans are racist and bad --europe

lol i dont think anyone would claim that a country wherea 'national front' gets over 20% does not have a problem with racism

on the other hand america literally elected donald trump, a man so comically conceited that he got his own tv show, as president because it just hates women and minorities that much

the big problem with meluche is his dumb nuclear policy imo

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:55

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

corn in the bible posted:

no its ok france is so good and cool and only americans are racist and bad --europe

those sound like some fake europeans you have been talking to

# ? Apr 23, 2017 11:55

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

the big problem with meluche is his dumb nuclear policy imo

he also doesn't have even a singular non-domestic policy that isn't a vague joke at best

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:01

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

"european racism isn't real because gypsies really do deserve it"

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:01

Randler: Jan 3, 2013; ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

cinci zoo sniper posted:

he also doesn't have even a singular non-domestic policy that isn't a vague joke at best

I think he is very serious about his "Sozial geht nur national" policy aimed at ousting the non-French due to some delusions about ~the foreigners~ stilling the fruits of the hoenst French's labour.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:01

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Randler posted:

I think he is very serious about his "Sozial geht nur national" policy aimed at ousting the non-French due to some delusions about ~the foreigners~ stilling the fruits of the hoenst French's labour.

his policy is literally a mass amnesty for working sans-papiers, this is a v weird thing to say

cinci zoo sniper posted:

he also doesn't have even a singular non-domestic policy that isn't a vague joke at best

i am confident that he will be no worse than any of the others - plus, trying somehow to unfuck the EU is worth a couple of crackpot ideas. nobody else seems willing to recognise the extent of the crisis the union is undergoing

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:07

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

we cannot have a situation where a profoundly bourgeois-technocratic institution is a sacred cow on the left, that's bonkers

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:08

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

l@s sandanist@s

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:10

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Randler posted:

I think he is very serious about his "Sozial geht nur national" policy aimed at ousting the non-French due to some delusions about ~the foreigners~ stilling the fruits of the hoenst French's labour.

in a very crude prism, it is not too dissimilar from american immigration policies. still far less stupid than his repeating whining quite literally about "grumbling Teutons', who have come to annex GDR in 1990, rise to a dangerous empirehood". cant wait for all the pension age german deportees becoming the only capital gain in latvia's sovereign history :rolleye:

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:12

Randler: Jan 3, 2013; ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

V. Illych L. posted:

his policy is literally a mass amnesty for working sans-papiers, this is a v weird thing to say

Amnesty for those already in, harder for more to come in. Basically the same as how British Labour tried to sell Brexit as something benefitting the common people.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:13

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

V. Illych L. posted:

we cannot have a situation where a profoundly bourgeois-technocratic institution is a sacred cow on the left, that's bonkers

they're going to kill everybody

quote:

Labour and welfare
More flexibility on labour laws and a loosening of the 35-hour week. Lower taxes on businesses, and a permanent reduction of companies� social charges. Reform the unemployment system to extend it to more people, including the self-employed, but with more control to ensure job seekers accept offers and retrain. Keep the retirement age at 62, but smooth over differences between state and private pensions. Increase social mobility by giving companies who hire people from 200 designated poor neighbourhoods a �15,000 bonus over three years.

The state, finances and society
A public investment plan of �50bn over five years. Cut �60bn in public spending through changes to the public sector workforce and cuts to local administration. Scrap 120,000 public sector jobs by 2022. Scrap housing tax for 80% of households. Adapt the wealth tax by focusing it on property. Tax global internet giants on the profits they make in France.

Cut the number of MPs in parliament. Ban MPs and senators from employing family members or working as consultants while in office. Lift the ban on medically assisted procreation such as IVF and the use of sperm donors for single women and same-sex women couples. A �500 �culture pass� for all 18-year-olds with which they can buy books or go to culture events.

Europe
Maintain the Schengen travel area. Boost the EU�s external border controls by creating 5,000 more border guards. Establish a eurozone budget, parliament and economy and finance minister. Create a European security council. Hold citizen �conventions� across Europe to discuss the EU�s future and the importance of the European project.

Immigration
Deal with asylum applications in six months or less. Oblige those applying for French nationality to speak good French.

Security and defence
Restore compulsory military service for a month for all young men and women. Bring defence spending to 2% of GDP. Modernise France�s nuclear arsenal. Create 10,000 more police and gendarmes and improve community policing. Create 15,000 new prison places.

Environment
Insulate 1m homes in five years. Limit advantages to the diesel industry. Give a payment of �1,000 for the purchase of a new or second-hand vehicle that pollutes less. Progressively reduce nuclear energy production. Introduce a single European energy market. Fight the use of hormone-disrupting chemicals and pesticides.

this is the great liberal hope

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:19

Pirate Radar: Apr 18, 2008; You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

In Randler's neck of the woods the right wing party's immigration policy is machine-gunning refugees who try to cross the border

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:21

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Randler posted:

Amnesty for those already in, harder for more to come in. Basically the same as how British Labour tried to sell Brexit as something benefitting the common people.

british labour campaigned against brexit

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:21

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

his policy is literally a mass amnesty for working sans-papiers, this is a v weird thing to say

i am confident that he will be no worse than any of the others - plus, trying somehow to unfuck the EU is worth a couple of crackpot ideas. nobody else seems willing to recognise the extent of the crisis the union is undergoing

he's gone on repeated record that he's not in favour of new arrivals, and would highly prefer doctors to proles, as well as complaining about migrants stealing jobs. the mass amnesty is a good move, but it may be a one time charity for domestic stability

as for his international ideas, sans eu they are a weird mess of impossible dream and pseudo-isolationist junk where france leaves nato and world bank and becomes le top dog in alba and some other third world european south club. eu specifically, there's a russian proverb very accurately detailing his oscillations between violent revolution and actually unfucking things - "you either take your cross of, or pull your pants up"

alternative options are what:
- le pen: everyone gets hosed, no exceptions. bad.
- filon: non-russian europe and middle east get hosed. bad.
- macron: france repeatedly fucks just itself, and does the eu dance along.

even if we can agree on platform "FIX EU NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!", macron still feels better than melenchon because he is not a senile autocrat fetishist who pretends to want to yolo lives of an entire sub-continent.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:23

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Pirate Radar posted:

In Randler's neck of the woods the right wing party's immigration policy is machine-gunning refugees who try to cross the border

tbf germany and sweden were the only countries to really voluntarily step up during the refugee crisis, so i don't think this is reasonable

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:24

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

british labour campaigned against brexit

if you can call still life campaigning

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:27

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

tbf germany and sweden were the only countries to really voluntarily step up during the refugee crisis, so i don't think this is reasonable

that's just american english at its best, kindergarten level arguments

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:28

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

and they are lynching negroes!!!!!!!!

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:29

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i'd actually go so far as to say that unrestricted movement of labour in a capitalistic society is not an unambiguous benefit for many reasons, though this is not actually a point where i'm familiar enough with melenchon's 2017 programme

regardless of one's position on the issue of labour migration in general, though, having a large unregistered population is a massive problem and he's got the only answer for it

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:30

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

the answer is to allow free immigration without restriction, you idiot

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:32

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

having a large unregistered population is a massive problem and he's got the only answer for it

fair enough. now only to decide if one issue voting is good or bad

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:33

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

cinci zoo sniper posted:

fair enough. now only to decide if one issue voting is good or bad

there are other reasons to want M in, not least of which would be the potential political reorientation of europe

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:40

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

V. Illych L. posted:

there are other reasons to want M in, not least of which would be the potential political reorientation of europe

don't you think it'd be more sensible to maintain the status quo, but worse?

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:42

Randler: Jan 3, 2013; ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

V. Illych L. posted:

british labour campaigned against brexit

Yeah, under a leadership that was explicitly pro-Brexit. And now they all fall in line and are only slightly different in how Brexit should proceed.

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:43

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

there are other reasons to want M in, not least of which would be the potential political reorientation of europe

pardon me my eu privilege, but id rather not be potentially reoriented by a french nationalist

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:44

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Randler posted:

Yeah, under a leadership that was explicitly pro-Brexit. And now they all fall in line and are only slightly different in how Brexit should proceed.

i realise that following the political processes of a foreign land is difficult from a secret alpine bunker but this is a slightly skewed version of events

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:46

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

cinci zoo sniper posted:

pardon me my eu privilege, but id rather not be potentially reoriented by a french nationalist

they're all french nationalists

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:47

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

every frenchman is a french nationalist, its the result of centuries of unjustified smug superiority

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:49

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

V. Illych L. posted:

they're all french nationalists

but not all of them intend to "disrupt" eu in equal fashion. melenchon is second best, but not ideal by far

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:52

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# ? Jun 25, 2024 15:24

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

cinci zoo sniper posted:

but not all of them intend to "disrupt" eu in equal fashion. melenchon is second best, but not ideal by far

macron is literally hollande without the molecule of substance, he is complete poo poo

the EU cannot go on like it has been. when the reforms come, i want them to come on the left's terms

# ? Apr 23, 2017 12:56

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