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Mr_Roke
Jan 1, 2014



Kingtheninja posted:

Is it only on crunchy? I know funimation has the first season but I'm not seeing the second one on there.

Funimation starts broadcasting it Thursday night.

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Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

And I'm only saying this because I care.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.



Fun Shoe

Loving the designs of all the Empire's capital ships. Even more so when they get blown out of the sky by Kircheis and crew.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004



I keep going "man I should take a look at that" and then remembering I let my sub lapse after jojo wrapped.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
I POSTED ON SOMETHINGAWFUL AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID REDTEXT.


Is this the oldest active thread in SA?

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

From my point of view, the Jedi are evil. But what really is... evil?

Could be.

Anyway the last volume of the translated novels comes out in a couple days. Anyone else getting it?

Chair In A Basket
Aug 6, 2005

I'm basically Jesus.


Nap Ghost

Started watching all the new series after hearing about this last week. Loved the originals, and the sheer amount of episodes that were involved. It seems like the new episodes really curtail the back and forth of the various battles, and nothing gets the amount of time to breathe it did before.

Pretty looking tho.

Chair In A Basket fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Nov 16, 2019

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


Dinosaur Gum

pentyne posted:

Is this the oldest active thread in SA?

Some thread in coupons has this one beat.

GoLambo
Apr 11, 2006


I honestly hadn't even realized this thread was so old even though I'm pretty sure it's the reason I discovered this show.

I'm an LoGH evangelist now, of course.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002





So are you guys on the paid tier of Crunchyroll having any better success than I am lately? All I get is interminable loading screens, trying to watch episode 18 I've had to seek forward a few times again. The ads load and play 100% perfectly so I know it's not my connection.

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002





Or is it just overwhelmed by anime nerds at midnight on a Saturday night. I don't think I'm going to he able to finish this.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

And I'm only saying this because I care.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.



Fun Shoe

Mr VacBob posted:

This thread doesn't deserve to die be archived.

Hahaha

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004



Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Or is it just overwhelmed by anime nerds at midnight on a Saturday night. I don't think I'm going to he able to finish this.

Paid def works better than free from my experience, but crunchyroll in general is poorly engineered, so you get paid outages and stuff too. Try another day :1

Son of Sam-I-Am
Feb 12, 2002





That's what I thought, thanks. This is the only show I'm watching so I don't really want to cough up for a subscription, guess I'll just deal with it.

hawaiian_robot
Dec 5, 2006

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The star system of our night skies the "Southern Cross" is also featured in the design.

The "A" is made up of a stylised Red Ribbon linking the logo to the Red Ribbon Rebellion of 1853.

Bongo Bill posted:

Could be.

Anyway the last volume of the translated novels comes out in a couple days. Anyone else getting it?

Had a bit of a reading break, still on novel 8. Next chapter is the episode 82 stuff. Not looking forward to it.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

0.000% of Communism has been built.
Evil, child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit eating grin.

All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*.

Instead of building communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.




Anybody know where die neue these episode 20 lands in the OG series?
I never finished the original so wanted to get through these to catch up quick but I'm not sure what the equivalent point in the old show was

It's where Beautiful gay Hitler breaks bad and let's the peasants get nuked by the noble leader

Shinji117
Jul 14, 2013


Communist Thoughts posted:

Anybody know where die neue these episode 20 lands in the OG series?
I never finished the original so wanted to get through these to catch up quick but I'm not sure what the equivalent point in the old show was

It's where Beautiful gay Hitler breaks bad and let's the peasants get nuked by the noble leader

I think around 23 or 24? A couple episodes before 26, anyways.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

0.000% of Communism has been built.
Evil, child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit eating grin.

All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*.

Instead of building communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.




It's funny going back to the old show, the drop in animation quality is very noticeable, particularly the ship designs and how all the cast look much more similar. Though I prefer the low key designs of some stuff than the high anime designs of DNT like the close combat suits with their ridiculous swords.

The story is way better though, that scene I spoilered above in the new series is basically Paul asking Reinhard and him saying Hmmm OK. The old show they argue, it's left ambiguous and Paul gets to show some great scheming, it's totally different for the characters.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


Just finished the OVA today, really blown away by its consistency and stuff.

I really love how, for all that the show can be very unsubtle about the characters' intentions and their philosophies, there's actually a lot left unstated. For example, I kind of love the way Rubinski and the Church of Terra were handled; instead of building them up into the Ultimate Evil, they are just kind of genuinely radical terrorist assholes. You don't need to go much deeper and we don't need a ton of explanation. And of course Earth isn't magic or anything, it's just... there.

YoursTruly
Jul 29, 2012

Put me in the trash
Recycle Bin
where
I belong.


Has anyone seen the dubbed episodes on Funimation? The first two episodes are free, but you need a paid account to watch the rest of the season. The dubs in episodes 1 and 2 seemed pretty bad imo. Obviously subs are better for solo watching, but I'd like to get some friends into the new series too. Do the dubs get any better?

Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011


I wouldn't mind this series forever rebooted every 15 years to get some fresh story spice and graphic aesthetics.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

And I'm only saying this because I care.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.



Fun Shoe

Gotta say I did a little fist pump at that epilogue. Is the next series confirmed?

Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011


Chris Knight posted:

Gotta say I did a little fist pump at that epilogue.

I share these sentiments. More Wen-Li alliance shenanigans!

I forgot what happened to whoever's graves Yang Wen-Li brought flowers for.
I guess I need to watch it all over again.

bondster
May 6, 2007



Cyber Sandwich posted:

I share these sentiments. More Wen-Li alliance shenanigans!

I forgot what happened to whoever's graves Yang Wen-Li brought flowers for.
I guess I need to watch it all over again.

Jean Lapp was Yang’s good friend from the academy that was serving in a different fleet in the fleet battle from the beginning of the series that got wiped out.

Jessica Edwards, Jeans fiancé, became the leader of the main political party that was opposed to the war with the Empire. When the coup happens on the capital planet, she leads a peaceful rally where the occupying force intervened and Jessica is beat to death causing a mass riot.

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


Raising this thread up to say 1) I'm going through die neue these, 2) I'm after that I'm picking up where I left off in the old series (after iserlohn, some old imperial burns his house down trying to kill people?) and 3) because I'm loving this poo poo and because of covid I'm considering the books if they're still up on Amazon.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

"Roll on, thou deep and dark blue ocean, roll!"



the books are pretty good, more people should read them

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."


Alright finished DNT and breezed through the original content up to that point. Just watched the episode following it and man I hope we get another season, would love to see Updated Julian space fight.

I will say it's a bit rough coming from DNT and going into the older series. I can recognize most of the faces and names but some older designs have me clueless ( reinhard's admiral with the mustache and balding dark hair).

Julias
Jun 24, 2012


That feeling when you realize this thread is almost 16 years old

Manyorcas
Jun 16, 2007

The person who arrives last is fined, regardless of whether that person's late or not.


Bleak Gremlin

Julias posted:

That feeling when you realize this thread is almost 16 years old

I know we've had goons younger than the forums as a whole, but I wonder if we have any ADTRW goons younger than this thread yet. This thread was a monolith of the subforum even back when I joined.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


We should do something for its eighteenth birthday, like a forum-wide tour or a forum-rewatch of the whole OVA.

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012



during quarantine Im simulwatching the original with my friends and I love breathlessly explaining how much I love this show

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

"Roll on, thou deep and dark blue ocean, roll!"



Manyorcas posted:

I know we've had goons younger than the forums as a whole, but I wonder if we have any ADTRW goons younger than this thread yet.

careful

Fivemarks
Feb 21, 2015


I really want to like LOGH. I really, really want to like it. But the series' Pro-monarchy, anti-democratic message puts me off it way too much. Like, I love the music and the presentation of the original OVA, but man gently caress Monarchy, even when its 'enlightened'.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012


Fivemarks posted:

I really want to like LOGH. I really, really want to like it. But the series' Pro-monarchy, anti-democratic message puts me off it way too much. Like, I love the music and the presentation of the original OVA, but man gently caress Monarchy, even when its 'enlightened'.

This is just wrong

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


I don't think it's "pro monarchy" so much as "pro Reinhardt" - it's pretty clear that Reinhardt is an exceptional individual in exceptional circumstances, and even the system that bore him would be hard pressed to replicate him. As corrupt and weighed down by inertia as the FPA is, they're still fighting the Empire, a notably larger entity, on an equal basis until Reinhardt takes the helm. As exceptionally talented as Reinhardt is, he only had the opportunity to arise as fast as he did because of the Kaiser's patronage and lethargy - another Kaiser could easily have snuffed out Reinhardt's career, even his life, without a second thought.

Pornographic Memory fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 19, 2020

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

"Roll on, thou deep and dark blue ocean, roll!"



it is a theme that there are good and bad results attributable to the two types of government, and i don't blame anyone for finding the comparison repulsive. my perspective is that the political philosophy of the story is heavily rooted in its place and time: post-war japan.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Fivemarks posted:

I really want to like LOGH. I really, really want to like it. But the series' Pro-monarchy, anti-democratic message puts me off it way too much. Like, I love the music and the presentation of the original OVA, but man gently caress Monarchy, even when its 'enlightened'.

I actually thought it presented an interesting argument here - the central question of what is better: a corrupt democracy, or a good monarchy? Yang fights so hard to keep his democracy alive and unconquered when we see how it's a shithole early on, with corrupt leaders and the whole "violently mess up people who speak up". Yet we also see the massive flaws in a monarchy - good or bad, it still stomps on the little people.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

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I always kind of viewed Reinhardts arc as a tragedy rather than a pro-authoritarian screed. He's going to die someday, and some new autocrat will take over. The final scenes of logh are ominous because there's not long before a new period of upheaval caused by the nobility he had initially intended to destroy. Even if you get a benevolent autocrat, they're going to die someday and leave behind a power vacuum

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Pomp posted:

I always kind of viewed Reinhardts arc as a tragedy rather than a pro-authoritarian screed. He's going to die someday, and some new autocrat will take over. The final scenes of logh are ominous because there's not long before a new period of upheaval caused by the nobility he had initially intended to destroy. Even if you get a benevolent autocrat, they're going to die someday and leave behind a power vacuum

The benevolent monarch will ALWAYS die, and unless you can guarantee unlimited great men to rule, you're hosed. See: Rome for a prominent example.

And one of the benefits of a democracy, assuming it's not corrupt and failing, is that you can theoretically kick out an incompetent rear end in a top hat.

Therefore the moral of LoGH is that we need benevolent AI overlords and we need them now.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

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I see yang and Reinhardt not so much as democracy vs fascism as the stories of two radicals working within their power structures to effect change. Yang struggles against himself and his leaders because the liberal democracy he loves so much is designed to obstruct and silence people like him. Dude just wanted to keep his head low.

Reinhardt is more effective not because autocracy is great, but because the methods autocracy uses to wield power are effective. The tragedy of Reinhardt is that those same methods will likely be used to destroy any good he did.

Pomp fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Apr 19, 2020

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Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

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Actually I thought about it more and Reinhardt is a story of twink empowerment

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