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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Patter Song posted:

Romance the Three Kingdoms, the book, is fantastic, and I think its influence on LOGH might be more subconscious (Tanaka's drawing most of his direct inspiration from European history) but it is definitely present.

Have you seen the Three Kingdoms TV series? It's a superb series, and it's in a very similar vein to Legend of the Galactic Heroes and quite faithful to the original book. Most people who enjoyed LoGH will enjoy Three Kingdoms.

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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Anything on the level of Three Kingdoms but about Japan? That'd fit ADTRW.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




There are literally only 2 filler episodes I can think of, and it's probably my favourite one. When Julian's just sat there watching history documentaries while on the way to Phezzan, and actually showing Reinhard's (I think it was Kessler?) fleet getting rid of planetary supplies though that's less filler.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Patter Song posted:

The historical doc eps aren't filler. They're summaries of the Prologue chapter of volume one, except they stuck it halfway through the series rather than as a 15 page textdump before the story even starts.

They're totally unnecessary at that point and are therefore filler (but interesting filler).

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




To me filler has always been "unnecessary guff that doesn't advance the plot", which those episodes certainly were.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




YF-23 posted:

Well, the OVAs also have Dusty. It saddens me to think of a LoGH without Dusty.

Dusty is still in the books but he's introduced in Book 3 I think, rather than being around from the start. Now that I've been listening to the audiobooks for the series it saddens me that the exploits of Yang's father aren't included in the OVAs.

The_White_Crane posted:

It won't be. The OVAs are hilariously faithful, which is part of the reason the series is 110 episodes long. The most they differ (that I have noticed) is in the fact that certain scenes which are flashbacks in the books are sometimes parcelled out into their own Gaiden episodes instead of being shown in the middle of the current events the way they're interleaved in the books.

The recontextualisation of the background lore and history in episodes 50-51(?) was a brilliant decision, as they were formerly just an inelegant lore dump right at the start of the first book.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Kegslayer posted:

Has anyone read the translated novels and would the first three be worth $20?

There's a humble bundle deal at the moment but I'm not sure if it's worth buying and I have no idea about the other novels.

The audiobooks are worth more simply because it gives a different interpretation of characters, like Yang who is a bit more bitter. There's also a ton of small details here and there.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Yang would be a good dictator though

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Billzasilver posted:

I suppose the lack of communication dates back to when you needed runners and horseriders to send messages between armies.


And whoops, technology got better but communication stayed bad, who would've guessed?

Also ECM and communication interception makes it difficult

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




It should've turned out to have been a pyramid scheme a previous Landesherr of Phezzan set up gone horribly wrong. That would've redeemed them.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




When did Harry Potter join the LoGH cast?

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Pewdiepie posted:

I want to see what one of the brick shithouse officers looks like. Reuenthal's haircut is fine but Paul von Oberstein's is criminal.

If they ruin Bittenfeld I will complain loudly.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Eiba posted:

That was really nice!

Reinhard and Kircheis are anime pretty boys surrounded by gruff old men... as they always have been. It's just crisper and more colorful now. Which is fine. New aesthetic. I can get used to it.

Important bits: Fleet battles looked great! CG ships are a huge improvement over the old anime. Music is acceptable! You'll never get better than the classical score of the old anime, but this stuff has a good classical style that definitely supports the action the same grand way the old stuff did.

I strongly disagree. Fleet battles were an overly shiny mess, the Valkyries just look like any other space fighter now, the music is terrible and the Empire looks gaudy as poo poo. I do like the new FPA uniforms though, they fit nicely with the green of the ships. Lapp's new look is good, but it doesn't fit with Yang's younger appearance. I also really dislike how when Yang took over command... the camera just kinda stuck on Reinhard's face? Let's not even talk about the crime of what happened to Cazellnu.


Considering the only thing this guy's directed has been Kuroko's Basketball, that can't have been accidental.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Captain Invictus posted:

wait, that's not a loving photoshop?

It is but when people are already taking the piss out of the choice of director, what with their very limited experience, for such a highly regarded classic of a series you can almost smell the Berserk from here.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




YF-23 posted:

Tbh I didn't mind the guns being blasters too much because seeing the barrage coming at the Alliance ships was a really good shot.

For fighter pilots; I don't really think we ever focus on anyone fighting on the Empire side that isn't a high-ranking officer? Closest we get is Emil and he's not exactly a soldier.

We had those gunner guys until they died horribly.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




But just the old one.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




It's space line battles.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Gaius Marius posted:

I don't think the show ever bothers to explain exactly why parts of the Galaxy are unnavigable only that they are

My guess is it's high micrometeorite density, since they mention charting navigable regions and use some form of warp, so a misaligned course would probably tear the ship apart.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Sindai posted:

I really liked the battle music in episode 2. The only music I can remember from the first series is when it uses classical pieces.

So you remember all the music from the first series bar the FPA/Empire anthems.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




This episode was so much better. The CGI looked less stupidly shiny and they actually used it well to evoke scale. I especially liked the differing states of damage many ships were in during the wider shots. The pacing remains an issue, perhaps due to the lack of any musical build up, and the poor use of scene transitions failing to indicate the passage of time.

A lot of expressiveness was lost in Yang, but he's much more visibly proactive, which I greatly appreciate. Kinda miffed they made Fahrenheit more buff, but Schenkopp less.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




In my mind, those docks aren't static. It's more a portable housing instead of the working drydocks with a rail system for loading/unloading crew and supplies.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Phobophilia posted:

Giving a starship atmospheric abilities is an engineering luxury and has little war fighting utility. A starship on the ground can be killed by ground artillery or orbital strikes. A starship in orbit with its reactor running warm can respond/withdraw at a moment's notice, or support landing forces with its own orbital strikes.

A starship that can land on the ground is extremely useful to terrorize a cowed and unarmed population.

It can also deploy troops and heavier duty gear. I bet Empire military forces are more mechanised.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




I just think it's so funny that they made Fahrenheit, very much a bit character compared to most others, look far more distinctive and likable than one of the most well liked characters of the series. After murdering Cazellnu.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Steve Yun posted:

I appreciate that they show the ships actually hyperspacing. They never showed that in the original, did they?

I recall they showed Geiersburg doing so.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Steve Yun posted:

Edit: are we spoilering a 30 year old show in here

There's a remake literally ongoing right now, which people (yourself included) are actively discussing.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Right? Who is he loving to get that kind of job security?

I believe at this point he's loving the Free Planets Alliance.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




I miss the mighty spindle formation and semi circles beating all.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?





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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Steve Yun posted:

Yeah I guess space peasants makes sense but Iím mostly talking about how in order to feed their fleet of millions they send a few dozen guys down to a planet and steal the groceries they have in their cupboards

I think they went in after the harvest season, and took all the crops they would use to, y'know, survive. It wasn't for their own fleet, it was to force the enemy to feed them out of their own supplies.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Fivemarks posted:

I really want to like LOGH. I really, really want to like it. But the series' Pro-monarchy, anti-democratic message puts me off it way too much. Like, I love the music and the presentation of the original OVA, but man gently caress Monarchy, even when its 'enlightened'.

Considering the foundation of the backstory is "Space Hitler literally happened", along with "he got in power via populism", really just says "populism bad" rather than "democracy bad" or "fascism good". All of the foils to that idea come in through merit, and most of the ones who do so die because of the monarchists or the populists and whatnot.

And it's not pro-Reinhardt. It's more pro-Reinhardt's choice of people. Very few of Reinhardt's actions come from his mind, it's mostly his staff, which is why he wanted Yang so bad.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Kanos posted:

Of course, but Reinhardt's new regime was specifically supposed to be better and less lovely than the nobles he was deposing, so resorting to the exact kind of rear end in a top hat behavior he railed against in the name of political expediency is a bit of a defining moment.

I think that's more relevant with the nuking thing, rather than the child hostage. One's lovely towards the people, one's lovely towards the nobility.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Kanos posted:

I mean, yeah, one of them is an outright atrocity and the other one is an inhuman political maneuver. Both can be lovely indicators that Reinhardt isn't living up to his own original hype even if one of them is way worse than the other.

His original hype is anti-Goldenbaum dynasty. It's inhuman, but it's very much in keeping with his agenda. Besides, if memory serves, he kept the kid as a political hostage rather than totally denying him any luxuries in life. It was the loyalists who did that when they kidnapped him. No matter what, kid was kinda cursed to be a political tool or die.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Fivemarks posted:

Not gonna lie- if LOGH had taken that step, had had the reformist minded members of the military and the people team up to overthrow the corrupt government and institute a socialist state, I would've been way more into it.

You know for a fact that would be the alternate reality if Yang had chosen to take power. I also like to think that's one of the post-ending power blocs that end up forming when the Empire inevitably collapses.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




The Unnamed One posted:

The Alliance seems to fit into a social democratic structure, as far as I can remember, but Iím pretty sure there is definitely a class and financial caste system to some extent.

Doesnít Yang end up going to the military academy because his dad ran into huge debts, all the objects he collected in life were worthless forgeries, and that was literally the only way Yang could afford to study History?

Yeah, the FPA is pretty clearly just America.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




skasion posted:

Postwar Japan not America. Itís a one party state

Iím thinking more in terms of military industrial complex worming its way through all of the aspects of society. Serve in the military for your higher education, honour the veterans who die and heck, worship them at every possible opportunity because they fight for FREEDOM.

a two party state is still just a one party state if theyíre both just as totally unrepresentative anyway and out of touch

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




The Empire never really made excursions into FPA territory other than small border conflicts. Really, the FPA were the aggressors most of the time.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Angry Lobster posted:

Both sides kept the war at a level of intensity that their economies could sustain, as that status quo benefited their respective establishments and true total war was too risky and costly to even consider.

I always read it more from the Empire side that they just didn't really care too much about the backwater rebels, who they didn't even recognise as a relevant state most of the time, while the FPA were hopped up on the "liberate the people!!!" propaganda, distracting them from all of the poo poo the government were doing.

Also, isn't the whole point of the first look we get at the FPA "the economy can't sustain this war because we've done suicide mission after suicide mission after suicide mission and draining all of the talent" while the Empire is a touch of "we're so vast and decadent that we can go back to quaint medieval tech for aesthetic purposes and pimp out our ships to look imposing and elegant instead of being optimal combat vessels

and we're still at parity, so that as soon as someone vaguely competent takes charge we can conquer the FPA in a couple years."

The only hope for the FPA would've been if other toga wearing assholes like the Kastropp rebellion rose up and seceded from the Empire successfully, and then the nobles did their civil war shtick.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Angry Lobster posted:

Let's remember that beside from these reasons, this balance of power was actually maintained by Phezzan behind the scenes.

I think it's important to clarify this: It wasn't the balance of power, but rather an attempt at keeping up a balance of the positions. Phezzan made limited to no effort keeping the Empire weak enough or the Alliance strong enough to keep them even, they used intel and disruptions to try to keep the status quo, manipulations of the players actions rather than of the state of the board. The point regarding the private military forces is another good one. If there was a balance of power, then the FPA would have an equivalent - the closest thing to that being the fleets that were involved in that coup, but the Empire also has a separate equivalent to those.

Phobophilia posted:

The Galactic Empire contained the vast majority of humanity, the culmination of centuries of expansion and economic growth under the old Galactic Federation. This bought on a variety of challenges as the rate of expansion slowed. The rise of the Galactic Empire was a reaction against bourgeoise modes of production, to prevent threats from the middle and working classes, their economic activity was deliberately de-industrialized, and made up for it with sheer manpower and automation. Heinessen's exodus was a tiny sliver of humanity that managed to flee into virgin territory, and when they managed to defeat the initial expeditionary forces, a large chunk of the Empire population immigrated to the FPA and gave it infinitely more manpower and economic capability.

But the Empire has always had more manpower. They utilized much less of it, while the FPA had to maximize the productivity of their population: hence they stuck to bourgeoise modes of production. Reinhardt restored the bourgeoise with extremely simple reforms, finally harnessing the his manpower and giving him a massive production edge over the FPA, and breaking the power of the high nobility in the process.

This is all true, although I was more pointing at the banning of cars and poo poo at or in the vicinity of Neue Sansoucci, the directorial intent rather than the lore underpinnings. I'd also like to add that if Yang did take power and there was peace with the Empire, the FPA surely would've gained far more than the Empire, especially considering their pre-existing industrial backbone.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




One thing that's comparable to LoGH is Three Kingdoms. It's pretty obvious how heavily inspired the author is by that story, especially when you look at their other notable work, Arslan.

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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




Yangís not called the magician for nothing.

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