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elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

I have probably 100 emails now from angry mothers of dead babies. They're apparently part of some big dead baby webring. Here is my favorite exchange. I just skimmed her email and thought she was the mother, but it was someone else, thus the confusion.

quote:

I'm writing to complain to you and ask why it is that another human being
would try and get his fun and kicks at the expense of another human being ?

I don't think or i certainly hope you don't realise the pain you've caused a
grieving mother by ridiculing her website for her lost babies and at this
point i'm respectfully and calmly asking you take the article down and post
an apology for any pain you've caused someone who is already going through
more hell than you can imagine.

I have a son who i lost over halfway into my pregnancy and he to has a
website,i of course am choosing not to allow you to learn the link for that
website after your behaviour,i also run babyloss groups online for women
who've lost their children,i sadly have over 200 members.Unless you've been
there yourself you can't possibly imagine how totally devastating it is to
lose a child like this.From the minute you know you're pregnant you begin to
have hopes and dreams for that child and for something then to go wrong
shatters your world and changes your life forever.

The reason parents like myself and the mom involved in your story and
hundreds of others choose to put these websites together is because we don't
have Christmas and school pictures,stories of funny things etc to share with
our friends,family and others about what our children are doing as they grow
so instead we share what we do have so they aren't forgotten,you see as much
as you think our children aren't important because they're not born yet
you're very wrong because women love and worship that child from the minute
they're pregnant and are building a relationship with them as soon as we
know they're there and especially once we feel them moving.There is nothing
more important than making sure the memory of our child lives on in the
sameway the memory of a loved one who dies at anytime lives on,we don't
forget our children after their gone and do whatever we can to help deal
with the pain caused by losing them.

As for why we collect the things you so enjoy ridiculing .. It's simple,when
you have kids you get to buy them things that want,when you lose that child
you don't get to do that and so you instead buy things that remind you of
them,i have a collection of Precious Moments ornaments i collect in memory
of my son that are very important to me and i don't feel the need to explain
to you any further than that why i or anyone else collects things like
this,you could never understand unless you've been there and i hope you
never ever get to know or understand the reasons why because despite the
fact i think you're a horrible excuse for a human being i wouldn't even wish
the pain on you.

It saddens me deeply that when someone could use their time and a webpage
for something as positive as sharing the love they have for their child
someone else such as yourself could use there's for such an evil,negative
purpose.You know we don't always have to understand where someone is coming
from with something but you certainly have to respect that everyone has
their own way of doing things and not enjoy cheap laugh's at their expense
not knowing the devastation you cause in the process.

I've spoken to a lawyer associated with my groups this morning and have been
told you've certainly commited some copyright infringments by using a
personal picture you had no right or permission to use so for that reason
alone the picture had better be taken down from your website straight away
or i'll take further steps to have it removed,I'm also sending a letter to
your hosting company to notify them how their service is being
represented,i'm sure you're sitting there thinking nothing of this but i can
tell you that we've had problems with individuals such as yourselves before
and despite their attempts to claim freespeech and all kinds of pathetic and
weak excuses we've had their websites both suspended and/or taken down on a
permenant basis so before that becomes necessary i'd ask you to see the
error of your ways and do the right thing for a change.Like i said right now
i'm being respectful and calm despite my internal anger and disgust but we
can play this another way if you so wish and i promise you there hasn't been
a person yet who hasn't regretted messing with a bunch of grieving mothers
by the time we were through with them.

Please show some respect even if you don't understand and remove the entire
piece for the parents sake if nobody else's,you've now caused extreme pain
and had your cheap laugh's it's time to be a better person and cause no
more.

BTW you mentioned Heaven in your piece,i'm thinking by your comments that
you believe in God and Heaven ?? If so i wonder how you justify your actions
in causing someone so much hurt when you know God would be saddened by your
causing someone so much pain as well,aren't we supposed to be kinder and
gentler with other human beings than this ? I guess when you get to
Heaven,if you do,there's going to be some heavy explaining to do before
you're allowed to enter as to why you chose to live your life the way you
are.

Theresa Heath
Proud to be the mother of my angel son.

My reply:

quote:

I'll take the picture of your kids down out of respect for your loss. I will also spare your emails the scathing that the other nasty letters are going to get on Friday.

- Zack

quote:

Ok Zack so the picture is down and i need not push any harder for the lawyer
with the copyright part of this and i very much appreciate the fact you did
that although i fear it was done more out of the fear of legal action than
it was because you felt for the parents involved.However i notice you still
have link up for the website and being it's owned by the mother of this baby
and you don't have permission to put that on your site it also infringes
several laws and so we'd appreciate that coming down as well even though the
mother has sadly seen fit to remove her stuff herself right now,we're hoping
to make her see that just because one person would see fit to ridicule her
doesn't mean she needs to hide her children away from everyone .. You see
the damage and heartache you've caused now ?

So now i appeal to you one more time to do the right thing and remove the
entire article,trust me if we're talking about things on the internet that
you want to label as awful go look around the websites for things that
exploit children in a pedophile nature,thats sick and needs drawing to the
publics attention at large,all you're doing right now is hurting very good
people who are already going through so much.

This entire episode has made it through my groups and the members,all 198 of
them,are deeply upset about this .. You've had your fun and cheap shot at
someone else's expense please do the right thing now and remove the entire
article.

I'm going to be checking in a couple of hours for it to have been removed
and if not i'm going to send the letter via email i have prepared for your
web hosting company and will start an email campaign against having your
site up with as many bereaved parents as i can and trust me there's a lot of
us.

Theresa Heath.


quote:

I didn't even read your emails closely enough to see you had threatened us with legal action. If you want to try to sue us over having a link or whatever craziness you're talking about now go for it. That article will be off the front page in 48 hours if you can just withstand the torment of knowing some people might be laughing at making a website about dead babies.

Also, I must have misread your email, I thought you were the mother of the dead babies. If you aren't, that's awesome, your emails will join the others.

- Zack

quote:

I'll be contacting your webcompany now as will anyone and everyone else to
complain about the content of your website removed seeing as you don't see
fit to do it for yourself.

Btw if you didn't read my email closely enough per your first sentence how
could you then have misread my email to think i was the mother of the dead
babies per your second sentence.Apparently you read it more than you'd like
to make out ..

I can't imagine how ashamed of you your mother must be.


quote:

Oh ho, you caught me in a trap of logic Theresa! Five points go to Gryffindor!

I await the ruin you and the other dead baby moms will bring to my vast empire of hatred. After all, making some jokes about a dead baby website is tantamount to raping you and for this I deserve to have my black empyrean of evil reduced to ash.

- Zack

quote:

Oh ok now i understand your inablility to act like an adult,my ten yr old
refers to Harry Potter when she speaks so i guess you're not old enough to
have developed compassion yet,that said i know even she would be above
hurting someone intentionally.The fact you plain refuse to remove an article
you could easily replace with something else shows me that now the only
reason you're leaving it up is because you don't want to be seen as doing
something nice for a bunch of women ..

Your next comments comparing it to rape truly shows how pathetically
juvenile you are Zack .. stick to talking about insects because you know
nothing about real life to take an active part in the world in which you
live.

quote:

Why don't you submit a fully written Awful Link of the Day to me and if I like it I'll replace the dead baby website with the one you come up with. You can turn to your dead baby mom action squad for assistance if you want to make it a group project. Have fun with it, and don't be afraid to break out the Elmer's and uncooked macaroni!

- Zack

quote:

I heard from someone this evening you're planning on putting emails
everyone sent you up for display on Friday and adding a "scathing" .. I hope
you know well enough by now it won't sit well with me to include anything i
have said to you today.I am telling you right now and very clearly that you
DO NOT have permission to use anything that was written by me and i'll take
any action required should you choose to do so .. Email is private
correspondence and this end of the conversation gives no permission for my
words to be used.

Also my husband has a telephone contact number now for your website and
would like a contact number for you so he can speak to you about some of
your comments today.

Theresa.

As an aside:

quote:

I'm very saddened and angered by your website's view of parents who have had
a baby (or babies) die by making fun of their sorrow. Are you that thick
in the head to not even try to understand the grief that follows such a
death? You think it's easy to fill the hole in your heart when that baby
you wanted more than anything doesn't make it? Burying my precious baby
girl was the HARDEST thing I ever had to do! How dare you try to understand
the grief process of parents without showing any sign of compassion.

No, I don't have a website dedicated to her ~ yet I appreciate other
parent's websites dedicated to their babies ~ but I do collect Angel Hello
Kitty from the year 2000 in memory of her. When my baby died, I had to
focus my love for her in a different way ~ just because she is dead doesn't
mean that my love for her is dead too.

Parents that have websites or collect items for their children that have
died are not doing it for the dead, but for the living ~ since the parents
are living, they are hurting and these are ways (or tools) to helping with
the grief and the feeling of loss. We are not trying to subsitute for the
lives of our children, we are trying to fill the emptyness in our hearts.

You obviously have never lost a baby ~ you're probably not even a father.
If you are, I feel sorry for you since you don't care whether they live or
die.

Natalie Montgomery
mama to Seth (10), ~Shaine~ (died during birth at 41 wks on 10/27/00), &
Bryce (2)

My reply:

quote:

Look lady, the Internet is my domain and the dead baby graveyard is your
domain. I feel very sorry for you when you're mourning your kids in the
dead baby graveyard, but when you dig them up and stick them on the Internet
I don't have any qualms about making fun of you or anyone else for doing it.
Especially when they turn their private and more than a little unorthodox
grieving process into a three ring circus of nightmares. If my website ever
shows up in your dead baby graveyard, feel free to make fun of that.

Most of these people either want me dead, wish I was stillborn, or want me to have a stillborn baby. Because I made fun of their hideous corpse website. These are loving adults, not ICP fans.

Lastly:

quote:

From: Gerard, Kristy
To: zackparsons@somethingawful.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: You are a pig!


Mr Parsons (and i use the the term Mr very loosely)

You are the most disgusting and self absorb person that has ever been given oxygen!

How dare you use peoples heartbreak as your own humour... The person you have posted about who is mourning the loss of her babies is a friend of mine, i met her through a charity of wonderful supportive women who havent been blessed with fortune of having a living baby. I myself have lost 4 babies and it tears my heart out everyday.

I would perhaps be very cautious if i was you for putting persons details such as this on a website to make money! The law is a nasty thing... but you know what is worse? Karma it is a bitch and will bite you back!

I have never wished the loss of a baby on anyone... but you well that is a very different story. Perhaps the world would have been a better place if you mother had have lost you at birth.

You disgust me!

quote:

Your poison womb is making heaven too loving crowded.

- Zack

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elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

From: Stephanie Gray
To: zackparsons@somethingawful.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: bull poo poo




Who the hell do you think you are putting a deceased child's link on your website and talking about how these parents grieve. I'm a mother to an Angel myself and there is nothing wrong with how we honor our babies. Are you trying to say because our babies didn't have a heart beat on the out side of our womb that they are not people, if so go to hell because they are very much human and people like you and me, well me anyway because what you have said is cruel and God will punish. You don't know how it is to deal with a death of a child and I pray to God you never do because you will find yourself hurting so bad and asking God why he did this just like us mothers of children that have passed do. How cruel can you be to do something like this, I mean really. We love our babies and we know that no one will ever see our babies unless we show them how perfect and Beautiful they are by showing the world their sites. We don't show off our babies to have people like you comment stupid crap like you have done. If you don't like what we do to keep our babies memory alive, then you know what, there is this thing called exit, and you can exit your rear end right out of that site. You talk all of this poo poo about how we honor them and that our babies can give a poo poo less, well your wrong and you know it. Have you ever had to go to a loved ones funeral, if so why did you go when they don't give a poo poo less that your there, why cry when they don't give a poo poo less that they are gone, think about it rear end hole. My husband is a correctional Officer and I will do everything in my power to get your site removed and for stealing a link that you had no permission to take and post it on your site, "O" yes you will pay for this. My son is Beautiful as the rest of these babies are, far more Beautiful than you will ever be, believe that. How dare you be so cruel to do this, my gosh do you not have a heart, I can't say I wish you well once I start filling to get this taken care of, so rot in hell.

quote:

I remember that part in the bible where it talks about God striking down people who make fun of lovely websites.

And the Lord smote Jake of Jake's Krazy Links for he did make light of a woman who posts images of that which she begat unliving.

- Zack

quote:

From: Connie Longacre
To: zackparsons@somethingawful.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: dead babies


I have never wished the death of a child carried to term on anyone. But I now wish it on you. YOU find out what it feels like to go into labor but not bring your baby home. YOU tell the baby's siblings that they'll never get to see their brother. The only pictures we have of our "dead babies" are the ones taken after their birth. Yep, they were dead. And since they were born dead, of course we have pictures of them living. If we want to remember them, then we have to take a picture of them dead.

So someday, I wish this on you. You arrogant bastard.


quote:

You hope that a baby dies so I feel bad? That's pretty hardcore. I think you topped me.

- Zack

quote:

From: Boyana D. Bjork
To: zackparsons@somethingawful.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:12 PM


one more thing rear end in a top hat, i had sworn that id never wish this to anybody but i hope you lose a baby so u'd know what is feels like. u must be a real lonley person anyway haha sorry rear end , better hope u dont have kids at all

quote:

I have had so many miscarriages that at this point I just laugh and flush the toilet.

JUDGE NOT LEST U BE JUDGED.

- Zack

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

American Jello came out of the closet to say:
Maybe I missed the joke, but this is crossing the line. Sure they might be a little crazy, but I would be too if I lost a baby. Sure, dead baby jokes are cute and all, but why harass these women who have already been so much. Is it okay to make fun of people if they are less intelligent than you are? Would you call a homeless man "a worthless sack of poo poo who doesn't deserve to live" to his face? I don't think so. So why do it to a woman who is obviously trying to cope with something who hurt her so much. I'm sure you have little quirks that aren't normal. Who cares if her website looks stupid? Who cares if she puts up pictures of her stillborn children? If they want to, that's their prerogative. I know this is "Something Awful", where we don't have souls. I guess at this point I'm just rambling, but why do you have to kick someone when they're already down? If someone could reply to me with something other than a dead baby joke, an attack on their intelligence or webdesign skills and could actually formulate a legitimate reason, right, or purpose, I might respect you a little more.

HER loving BABIES DIED LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

American Jello came out of the closet to say:


But why send them emails with the intent to anger them? I'll agree with you that making a website about a dead baby is stupid, but why do you reply to her emails with the intent to hurt?

I'm replying to their emails telling me that I should die, that I should have dead babies, that they're going to sue for linking, etc. I will not abide a retard, no matter how many corpses have fallen out of their rotten pussies.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

Last one for now:

quote:

From: "Larissa Jacobs"
To: zackparsons@somethingawful.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: DEAD BABY SITE AWFUL SITE OF THE WEEK

Well aren't we a real man saying all this about deceased babies.

I hope this never happens to you or anyone you are close to.

What you have done is absolutely disgusting.You would have to be the most
revolting human being on this earth.

What goes around comes around you idiot.

Tell me, have you ever felt grief in your life or do you go around living in
a bubble??Do you honestly think this world revolves around you and because
you can't feel any emotion , noone else is able to or should.

I bet you are laughing at this email and all the others you have
recieved.You would have to be the lowest of the lows and I hope one day,
when something happens to you, that people just stand there and laugh at you
or even better just spit at you and kick you away because scum like you
deserve nothing from this world, absolutely nothing.

Remember what you have done when you try to sleep at night, your time will
come and it would be funny to see.

I hope all this becomes public knowledge and you fall in a hard way!!!

You revolting little poo poo.

quote:

Making fun of dead baby websites is how I deal with the loss of my precious
angels Conner and Abby (b/d-2/18/02). Who are you to judge how I mourn?!
They are in heaven right now beating the everliving poo poo out of your dead
babies because I raised them on the STREETS.

- Zack

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Frank Grimes came out of the closet to say:
I didn’t realize so many mothers read the SomethingAwful front page.

Mothers with dirty mouths I might add.

quote:

From: Dubzak Lorraine
To: 'zackparsons@somethingawful.com'
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: rear end in a top hat


Who the hell do you think you are? These babies were very much loved and wanted AND THEY NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO BREATHE AND TO CRY OR DO ANY THING ELSE.
HOW IN THE HELL WOULD FEEL IF THIS WAS YOUR CHILD AND SOME ONE WAS MAKING FUN OF YOU AND YOUR DECEASED BABY?
YOUR AN INSENSITIVE BASTARD AND YOU SHOULD HOPE THAT YOU NEVER EXPERIENCE WHAT MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW HAVE GONE THROUGH I AM THE GRAND MOM OF TWINS THAT THAT HAVE PASSED AND FROM TTTS AND IF YOU EVEN HAVE A HALF OF BRAIN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MADE SUCH IDIOT COMMENTS ABOUT SUCH A SAD CIRCUMSTANCE.
I HOPE I NEVER MEET YOU ON A STREET,BECAUSE I HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY AND WOULD ENJOY GREATLY RIPPING YOU A NEW rear end in a top hat.

FROM A SADDEN GRAND MOTHER
LORRAINE DUBZAK


P.S.
HAVE YOUR MOTHER READ YOU A NIGHT TIME STORY AND TUCK YOU INTO BED.
WE WILL NEVER HAVE THE THE CHANCE TO DO THIS.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Komrade Hitlerstalin came out of the closet to say:
I know I felt extremely uncomfortable taking video of my grandmother's funeral, even though I was doing it for my uncle who lives in China and could not make it. I can not even imagine wanting to put that in any kind of public place. It was bad enough prepping it for transfer to DVD.I have heard few ideas more brilliant and inappropriately appropriate than this.

I still think the wrapping ground beef in a blanket is the best idea. I may do that.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

NoneMoreNegative came out of the closet to say:
You could invite her over and she could do it..?

Did this all spring from my thread a few days back? :)

Oh, and this thread gets the:

Yes, absolutely. The site you posted was down because of the thread so I searched google for "My Beautiful Babies" absolutely KNOWING that I would find a crazy miscarriage site. The funniest thing about all of this is that I have done one of these sites before and that time I didn't even get a single complaint.

And for the record liqourhead, I have kids, I just don't ever talk about them on the Internet. These women, the ones who make the web pages anyway, are plain crazy. Three loving years ago she lost her fetuses and she is still buying them Christmas presents and posting more and more images on the Internet. They want attention and sympathy for something that they should have put behind them by now. Instead they are fixating on it because they LIKE TO.

Most of the nasty emails I am getting are confusing the fact that I made fun of this woman's website with me making fun of their dead babies. Once they do that and tell me I should die, their dead babies are fair loving game.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Brad Lee came out of the closet to say:
If there is a future feature with Ground Beef Angels, I sure hope that "googly eyes" are applied liberally

I was already picturing wax lips. If they have google eyes at the store I'll use those.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

rivetz came out of the closet to say:
The dead baby website is creepy and nasty and wrong, and there's not a thing in the world wrong with pointing it out and laughing at it. I think the "poisoned womb" comment is one of the most callous, heartless, and altogether mean-spirited things I've ever read on these forums.

Ripping furries apart is one thing, that's a choice they make. Photographing a biker's hilarious death is one thing, that's someone publicly doing something idiotic. Referring to a woman who wants a child of her own more than anything in the world as having a "poisoned womb" that is inconveniencing others, that's so loving over my personal bounds of humor, it kind of stuns me.

I accept the hypocrisy that comes with this statement. I've done rape jokes, I've done child molestation Photoshops and all that poo poo. I understand that it's a retarded double standard for me to treat this exchange any differently. All I can say is that with most offensive jokes around here, I laugh and wish I'd thought of that first. I'm glad to say that it would never have occurred to me to ridicule and belittle a woman's infertility in this fashion. Easily the lowest blow I've seen in a year. Are we supposed to feel proud that she read that and burst into tears? Is that a good payback for her flagrant and offensive attempts to get you to stop making fun of her?

They all brag about their number of dead babies. Four miscarriages makes that woman a Major General in the dead baby mommy army, so don't feel sorry for her. Their websites are designed to get them positive attention by picking at that emotional scab so the wound is always raw. When the Internet turned around and gave them some negative attention they turned into crazed loving harpies.

I came home, opened Outlook, and had 70-80 messages hoping I died or had a stillborn baby, and they just kept coming. I took the picture off the site, because I thought I had gone a little too far, and then the demands and invective were still coming. If these people are so melodramatic and sensitive that a fairly innocuous alod turned them into a torch wielding mob I see no harm in throwing some fire back at the mob.

At the very least maybe a few of them will think twice about starting a web shrine for their dead baby pictures, updated every time a piece falls off the corpse.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Name not required came out of the closet to say:


LOLOLOLOL !!!!

Hilarious guys ! My favorite is the part about suctioning out the fetus brains !

I hope you loving die for having an opinion and the lord will burn you and karma is a bitch and my husband is the King of Scots.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Hi there. I know you have got to be sick of emails from mothers of dead
babies, but here's one more for ya.

My dead baby was born alive and managed to stay that way for five and half
months before he died suddenly of unknown causes in 1996.

I don't have a website for him, I don't collect cutesy poo poo in his honor (I
don't collect cutesy poo poo at all!). In fact I have two not-dead children
and I don't have a website or cutesy poo poo collections for them either.

Now that I've gotten *that* out of the way......

I laughed my rear end off at this stuff! Especially the comment you made about
that woman's poison womb filling up heaven! These women need to disconnect
the AOL and spend the money on therapy (or remedial English lessons, in some
cases) instead. For Christ's sake, after FOUR miscarriages, you'd think the
one bint would figure out that maybe she's just not meant to be a mother.
(I'd like to tell her, "Gawd knows you'd be such a bad mom that he would
rather kill all your kids in the womb, one by one, than let you raise one!",
but I am admittedly one heartless bitch.)

It's just too sad to see so many women so absorbed in something that is
currently decomposing. And to go around like barracudas on crack, foaming
at the mouth at the mere idea that perhaps dead babies aren't holy- that's
just.... funny! Thanks for letting the rest of us enjoy the wreckage!

Thanks for the laughs,
another deadbabymama

quote:

I'm sorry to hear you lost a child. That must have been very difficult.
Thank you for not taking pictures of his dead body and posting them on the
Internet.

- Zack

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Azareil came out of the closet to say:


Ahhh, on the other hand, he is adding fuel to the fire.
Let's look at a few keys facts here.

1) Proper spelling and Grammar - A trait which isn't found in these mothers.
2) Knowledge of how the Forums work - She knew where to go, where to read.

It was mentioned that even if she is a member, it might not be fake still. Well, if it isn't fake, why wouldn't she just post her response?

Hmm... Fetch me my pipe, I have more deducting to do.

Why did a bunch of people PM me about this topic? Or email me about it?

I don't care if she's an SA forum member or not, but I have no reason to believe that email was fabricated.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Name not required came out of the closet to say:


My retorical question was ? Oh cool, what fabric of space has been ripped open to allow that to happen.

Care to answer this question, how the gently caress do people grieve 'incorrectly'? Is there some sort of guidebook for this? Tony Robbins has special "Your Baby is in heaven and at least you won't have to clean up its poop" motivational tapes telling you how to 'get over it'?

Thanks in advance.

Is there some sort of guidebook for how I should react to people's dead baby photos? Tony Robbins has special "Their Dead Baby is in heaven so shut your mouth about their psychosis because it might make them cry even though they cry anyways when they look at the giant loving shrine for their dead babies that shuffled off this coil three years ago" telling you how to justifiably lodge a grievance with the webmasters of corpse child websites?

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elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

quote:

Name not required came out of the closet to say:


You could probably also say that the mature way to deal with someones grieving like that isn't to anonymously harrass them over Internet because of their grieving?

Holy poo poo, the Internet better walk on some loving eggshells because some babies died years ago!