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Denzalo
Mar 2, 2004

Some things just aren't worth dying for!!!
I think I'm getting ready to buy Harrington's online 6-max book.

I've always kind of felt like his playing style matched my own personality best. His first two tournament books are the foundation to everything I do in tournaments. But I really want to be more successful at online cash games.

Anyone think this is a bad idea and I should read something else first?

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MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Denzalo posted:

I think I'm getting ready to buy Harrington's online 6-max book.

I've always kind of felt like his playing style matched my own personality best. His first two tournament books are the foundation to everything I do in tournaments. But I really want to be more successful at online cash games.

Anyone think this is a bad idea and I should read something else first?

Read Easy Game by BalugaWhale. I don't think Harrington is the best thing for cash games.

Denzalo
Mar 2, 2004

Some things just aren't worth dying for!!!

MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

Read Easy Game by BalugaWhale. I don't think Harrington is the best thing for cash games.

Interesting, I'd never heard of this book. It looks great though from what I can tell.

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

Easy Game is probably my favorite poker book ever written.

Harringtons books presents a decent basic strategy for 6-max online, but Tri "Slow Habit" Nguyen's "the poker blue print" covers alot of the same stuff and covers it better. You can also order an e-book of it for 10 dollars.

BadAstronaut
Sep 15, 2004

Any of you read Jared Tendler's The Mental Game of Poker? Any reports?

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

BadAstronaut posted:

Any of you read Jared Tendler's The Mental Game of Poker? Any reports?

I did, but I just read it cover to cover which is exactly what the book recommends not doing. Plan on going through it again, and doing it proper. Alot of people over at 2+2 swear by it.



Can anyone recommend any books on mid-late game MTTS. Out of the every MTT (maybe 10, lol sample size) I've played in the last year I rape early then bubble out because as soon as the stacks get shallow I feel bewildered and lost.

As much as I would like to just not bother learning how to play them, the pokerstars VIP store sells tickets for about 65-70% of the cash equivalent. So ignoring the opportunity costs, I would have to be playing with a -35% ROI for them not to be +EV.

As far as tournament books Ive read the HOH books, and Moshmans SnG strategy. But I have the sneaking suspicion that they are probably outdated/irrelevant.
I also have a copy of SnG wiz that I paid for and never used.

TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 2, 2012

BadAstronaut
Sep 15, 2004

TheAbortionator posted:

Can anyone recommend any books on mid-late game MTTS.

I know nothing about it, but I just got recommended this by Amazon.

Maybe it is what you are looking for?

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n this second book he builds on this base by examining the highly complex issue of how to handle the different stages of a tournament.

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

I will probably give that a go, but this has me a little skeptical.

“Learning to breathe optimally is important for numerous reasons. Just about everyone breathes incorrectly. Their shoulders rise when they inhale. The correct way to breathe is for your stomach to extend outward when you breathe in, with little to no movement of the shoulders. This helps your body get the most oxygen from the air. I suggest that you learn to breathe this way all the time so that is happens naturally when you play poker.”

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!
I just finished a couple of books and am trying to decide between Professional No Limit Hold'Em and Small Stakes No Limit Hold'Em by Ed Miller et al. Which would you guys recommend for someone who is primarily playing 4NL cash games? They both seem to be pretty good, although I see some people saying that the Small Stakes book is better geared for online play, so I am not completely sure.

AmnesiaLab
Nov 9, 2004

Stark raving sane.
I'm not a fan of Professional NLHE, really. It would probably be good for those stakes, but when I experimented with implementing some of the advice in that book, it pretty much broke my game. SSNLHE, on the other hand, I really liked, but it really is better geared for online play. Trying to play live 1/2 like that will generally get you killed, because the book is written with an eye toward exploiting regs who are mostly playing ABC poker. At live 1/2, though, you should be playing ABC poker yourself, because the people you're playing with are largely mouthbreathers who are perfectly happy to give their money away.

If you're playing online, I'd say definitely go for SSNLHE. I'd be wary of Professional NLHE, but a lot of people seem to like it, so YMMV.

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!

AmnesiaLab posted:

I'm not a fan of Professional NLHE, really. It would probably be good for those stakes, but when I experimented with implementing some of the advice in that book, it pretty much broke my game. SSNLHE, on the other hand, I really liked, but it really is better geared for online play. Trying to play live 1/2 like that will generally get you killed, because the book is written with an eye toward exploiting regs who are mostly playing ABC poker. At live 1/2, though, you should be playing ABC poker yourself, because the people you're playing with are largely mouthbreathers who are perfectly happy to give their money away.

If you're playing online, I'd say definitely go for SSNLHE. I'd be wary of Professional NLHE, but a lot of people seem to like it, so YMMV.

How'd Professional NLHE "break your game"? A lot of these books I've read so far, I usually take the advice knowing that it sometimes is geared for specific situations and may not be relevant to my own situation. I don't play live 1/2, although I've been thinking about hitting up some of the CT casinos at some point over the summer soon, but I'm mostly playing online. I know that if I played live I'd be playing relatively straightforward since I hear that live play is usually super soft and people just donk their money away. I'm mostly looking to improve my online play, but I definitely like to learn for all situations overall too. I guess I'll take a look at SSNLHE, but I've heard glowing praise usually for Professional NLHE, so I'd definitely like to know what kind of advice it's giving that can have a negative impact on your play before picking it up at some point in the future.

AmnesiaLab
Nov 9, 2004

Stark raving sane.
PNLHE advocates shoving one-pair hands in certain SPR ranges, and I feel like that's generally a recipe to lose money when playing online because most of the games are full of rocks. In weaker (especially live) games, you can get away with that sort of thing because a lot of people are calling you much wider. (Seriously, I made a pot-sized check-raise all-in last night on a QT6 flop and got called by T4o.) That's the particular issue I have with the book; I just think they're way too cavalier with one pair, and when I've experimented with their advice in an online setting, I got my rear end handed to me.

That's not to say the rest of the book isn't good. But their general idea of build a huge pot preflop that you can just shove one pair into later doesn't sit well with me. I think it's a better book for shortstackers than anything else. I found SSNLHE much, much more useful for online play. PNLHE strikes me as a book for abusing donks, while SSNLHE is a book for abusing regs.

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!
Ah, that makes a lot of sense, thanks! I'll hold off on PNLHE and pick up SSNLHE. Also, out of curiosity, has anyone read Crushing the Microstakes by Blackrain79? That's another book I've been interested in but haven't been able to find a lot of info/reviews on.

zooted heh
Oct 16, 2005

str8 mercin burgers my nigga
I just bought Getting Started in Hold em by Ed Miller today but after reading threw it it seems that it deals a lot with limit holdem which I don't play and cash games which I am no where near a place that does them. That means I mostly stick to free tournament poker style games in bars or online tournaments. I also saw Harrington on Hold em in the book store. Should I exchange my book for that instead?

AmnesiaLab
Nov 9, 2004

Stark raving sane.
Yeah, HoH is a good series for tourney strategy if that's what you intend to play.

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

Mr Cynicism posted:

That means I mostly stick to free tournament poker style games in bars.

I bought Harrington on Hold em originally because someone at the red hot poker tour (free bar tourny poker in Ontario) was a belligerent dick to me. That book has all the necessary tools and strategy for crushing those tournaments.

TheAbortionator fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 21, 2012

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BadAstronaut
Sep 15, 2004

Yep, HoH is pretty much the essential starting point for anyone wanting to play NLHE tournaments. By now almost everyone serious about the game has read it, so without the knowledge in there as a basic foundation to your tourney game, you're going to be behind.

Has anyone read Raiser's Edge or the Kill Everyone books? Aren't they claiming to be some kind of next step that outline how to exploit tournaments where everyone is playing as Lord Harrington commands?

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