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Ditch
Jul 29, 2003

Backdrop Hunger

RealFoxy posted:

I downloaded and watched six matches at totally random last night and I'm hooked now. The first one I watched was Kawada vs Taue from Jan 1, 1991 and I was blown away. I guess I really havent watched much of that style or that era outside of a couple Kobashi matches
That Kawada/Taue match owns so much. Their match from Champions Carnival 1995 also owns, but due to the development of the style it's very different. All Japan from the mid '80s through the early '90s had lots of good, hate-fueled feuds. In the mid '90s that shifted to rivalries and a cleaner but still very violent style.

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011



Ditch posted:

That Kawada/Taue match owns so much. Their match from Champions Carnival 1995 also owns, but due to the development of the style it's very different. All Japan from the mid '80s through the early '90s had lots of good, hate-fueled feuds. In the mid '90s that shifted to rivalries and a cleaner but still very violent style.

Eh, Iíd put this down more to a change in their personal dynamics rather than the companyís style changing as a whole. In 1991, Kawada was a mega babyface in the Super Generation Army alongside Misawa and Kobashi, whereas Taue was an opportunistic heel and betrayed the three of them to join Tsuruta-gun alongside Fuchi, Yatsu and Jumbo. It makes perfect sense that they wanted to kill each other in their 1991 CC match, because the Four Pillars were supposed to be standard-bearers of the new generation, but Taue had thrown his lot in with the old fuckers, and that really didnít sit right with Kawada at the time.

By 1995, Kawada had turned heel and formed the Holy Demon Army with Taue. He wasnít about to kill his tag team partner for the sake of two points in the Champion Carnival, and vice versa. Of course, they werenít going to pull their punches, but they werenít going to break their trust in each other. Thatís why the rematch isnít quite as dirty.

They were still as violent and dirty as ever with their opponents though. Take the Misawa/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue match on 6/9 (nice) that year. When Kobashi fucks up his knee on that dive, iirc Kawada immediately comes in and kicks the gently caress out of it. That eventually leads to Kawada and Taue kicking the poo poo out of Misawa on the floor, until Kobashi shields Misawa with his body and the Holy Demon Army keeps on kicking the poo poo out of them. Thatís dirty as gently caress imo. There was still a lot of hate in AJ during the 90s from my perspective.

e: vv Oh, totally agree with you on that! vv

Venomous fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2019 around 19:38

Ditch
Jul 29, 2003

Backdrop Hunger

I guess I'm thinking in terms of going for blood, brawling, etc. Plenty of hate and cheap tactics in the middle of the decade but it was more technical in execution. Of course that depends on if one considers Taue pie-facing Misawa into Kobashi's leg "technical", which I would, in addition to being dirty AF.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


We did it

https://twitter.com/DramaticDDT/sta...858930799632384

brian
Sep 11, 2001
I obtained this title through beard tax.



gently caress yeah

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

"I think you'll find that when it comes to Sandwich Montoya, the sky is the limit!"

- Too Much Mustard


CHAIR-SAN!

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



https://twitter.com/isalrightnow/st...782145126764546

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...


It's both touching that there was plan for such a worse-case scenario and chilling that Misawa thought that dying in ring was more than a remote possibility at that point in his career

Big Bidness
Aug 2, 2004



Lie Bot, what is the saddest thing?

Philippe, Philippe, Philippe.

Nooo!

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

King of the Pirates?


I wonder if Ibushi carries a similar letter after his passing to be stuffed into Yoshihiko so he can continue to wrestle forever

afatwhiteloaf
Oct 19, 2012


He probably knew it was likely to happen, itís not like he didnít go to doctor. He probably had severe spinal stenosis but just cleared himself to wrestle anyway.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Coaaab posted:

It's both touching that there was plan for such a worse-case scenario and chilling that Misawa thought that dying in ring was more than a remote possibility at that point in his career

He worked in a dangerous business and I remember reading at one point that he knew he shouldn't still be wrestling, but when Kobashi had to retire they lacked draws after a few failed attempts at making stars, and Misawa was pretty beloved.

The whole story of Baba Dies>AJPW falls apart>NOAH starts>NOAH falls apart after a prosperous start because of Kobashi's body breaking down and Misawa dying is pretty sad.

Fauxhawk Express
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

El Gallinero Gros posted:

NOAH falls apart after a prosperous start because of Kobashi's body breaking down and Misawa dying is pretty sad.

Their TV deal w/NTV getting axed due to the economy cratering was also a crushing blow.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


El Gallinero Gros posted:

He worked in a dangerous business and I remember reading at one point that he knew he shouldn't still be wrestling, but when Kobashi had to retire they lacked draws after a few failed attempts at making stars, and Misawa was pretty beloved.

The whole story of Baba Dies>AJPW falls apart>NOAH starts>NOAH falls apart after a prosperous start because of Kobashi's body breaking down and Misawa dying is pretty sad.

Specifically he was a big deal to the businessmen who paid for the spot shows in the countryside.

Ditch
Jul 29, 2003

Backdrop Hunger

Dammit I'm not supposed to cry at work you bastard.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


https://twitter.com/brothermort/sta...1250635777?s=21

Rodney the Piper
Sep 19, 2005

family sticks together


Grimey Drawer

Does anyone have a good resource for recommended non-NJPW puro/joshi matches?

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003



dg: https://docs.google.com/document/d/...LwS3IqqF0E/edit
stardom: https://docs.google.com/document/d/...0NLhqzvKlo/edit

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

I like this guys spreadsheet of Joshi matches - itís as comprehensive as you can get without including DVD matches that no one can see and for the top matches gives an explanation about why theyíre on it.

https://twitter.com/oystersearrings...8353447936?s=21

Baron La Croix
Nov 2, 2010

rastah farah
sonnah maddah fah


Fell down a wikihole on Muta and how have I never heard of Yinling the Erotic Terrorist before.

Wikipedia posted:

On June 17, 2007, after a match which saw Yinling and TAJIRI lose to Muta the Great and RG, Muta held Yinling down and spat his green mist into her vagina. The green mist apparently contained Muta's sperm and caused Yinling to become pregnant. Yinling would give birth to an egg in the middle of the ring and eventually the egg hatched into 514-pound wrestler Monster Bono. [...] due to her continuous abuse, Bono eventually turned on her, which led to challenging her in the ring. The match between mother and son took place on May 24, 2008, in which Yinling fought valiantly but Bono came out as the victor. Tragically, Bono's finishing big splash accidentally killed Yinling. As she died, he held her in his arms and the two were reconciled

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

HANG ME HORSEMAN

Baron La Croix posted:

Fell down a wikihole on Muta and how have I never heard of Yinling the Erotic Terrorist before.

HUSTLE was the weirdest poo poo and about 20 years ahead of its time.

NuclearPotato
Oct 27, 2011

Brother, why must you be the one with the superior jeans?


I remember HUSTLE came up on an episode of Pacific Rim earlier this year, and it was pretty funny to hear how pissed off Fumi was about the whole thing.

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Rodney the Piper posted:

Does anyone have a good resource for recommended non-NJPW puro/joshi matches?

Ditch's archive for older stuff. http://theditch.us/chron.html

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