Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us $3,400 per month for bandwidth bills alone, and since we don't believe in shoving popup ads to our registered users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
«408 »
  • Post
  • Reply
Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006



Franchescanado posted:

I'm glad you liked it! I think I've rewatched it more than any other movie in the past few years. Such a treat. Sucks that it has a bare bones release because I would love a peak behind the curtain on that production and a commentary.

Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013


If it wasn't for disappointment,
I wouldn't have any appointment.





Grimey Drawer

Kull the Conqueror posted:

Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has.

I thought it'd be a runaway hit, but it was barely distributed (NEON kinda poo poo the bed on this, and I heard through the grapevine they shifted it's release dates for a lot of indie theaters, so no one knew when they could see it) , and it doesn't get advertised on Hulu. People just don't want to try a hyper-vulgar picaresque stoner tale of hedonism for some reason, unless it has Seth Rogen in it, I guess.

Anyway, I will continue to champion how great it is, with the huge caveat that it really isn't for everyone, but if it hits your tastes, it hits hard.

Island Nation
Jun 20, 2006
Trust No One

cvnvcnv posted:

HBO Max
HBO + Max
HBO owns Cinemax
HBO Max does not include Cinemax

I don't get it. Glad they'll have some good stuff on the service, though.

AT&T sees Cinemax as little more as a clearing house for old mediocre WB/MGM movies, about as valuable as HBO Zone

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright






a shame about Cinemax. It's had some of the best action television in the last 20 years of tv. Strike Back, Quarry, Banshee, Warrior, Jett and The Knick being a great drama. Just great television top to bottom that people should be watching and should've been a lot bigger than they ended up being (Quarry being cancelled after one season is a true crime against television and Warrior only getting two seasons, also a crime).

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol an idol



Grimey Drawer

Warrior’s second season will be its last? My TV app says it isn’t even airing until October.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright






Escobarbarian posted:

Warrior’s second season will be its last? My TV app says it isn’t even airing until October.

yea it was in production as HBO was making the announcement that Cinemax would be moving away from original programming.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

A DAILY DOSE
OF OLD SHOOTERS


PLAY NOW MY LORD



i will say this, i wouldn't be overly shocked if stuff like Warrior ends up taking a brief hiatus and then showing up on HBO MAX. Cinemax may be moving away from original programming, but it's not like HBO's rights to these shows only allowed them to be aired on Cinemax, and I suspect a lot of why they're doing that to begin with at Cinemax is because HBO MAX is gonna exist.

cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

__________________


Yeah, Cinemax has a lot of really terrific content under its banner but it's gotten so little love from above that not even the Android app has casting capabilities and no Fire or PS4 apps exist so unless I torrent everything or buy Cinemax again through Hulu or Amazon, I have no way to get it on my tv. Really was thinking HBO Max would remedy this because why wouldn't they just throw it in and live fully in the year 2020? But uhhh


Savage.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

BUT SATAN'S BOY
I COULD NEVER BE!



Pork Pro

Kull the Conqueror posted:

Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has.

Franchescanado posted:

I thought it'd be a runaway hit, but it was barely distributed (NEON kinda poo poo the bed on this, and I heard through the grapevine they shifted it's release dates for a lot of indie theaters, so no one knew when they could see it) , and it doesn't get advertised on Hulu. People just don't want to try a hyper-vulgar picaresque stoner tale of hedonism for some reason, unless it has Seth Rogen in it, I guess.

Anyway, I will continue to champion how great it is, with the huge caveat that it really isn't for everyone, but if it hits your tastes, it hits hard.

Here's a different take from someone who's watched all of Korine's stuff and pretty much liked it all; I walked out of The Beach Bum depressed af. Korine is so incredibly smart and sly, and what he slipped to people here is something masquerading aggressively as stoner comedy, but in actuality is brutal political satire. The people depicted in that film are the ones that currently run the world. Korine knows this, and time and again he presents the viewer with scenarios of them getting everything while doing nothing of value, making GBS threads on the poor, burning the world in their wake and getting an honorary degree for it.

The Beach Bum is a beautifully shot, wild, and sadistic examination of the psychotic neoliberal market order, where the Branson-esque gangsters of the world feign to empathise with us and are slick enough to have extensive environmental PR campaigns and carbon neutral investment portfolios, yet every breath they take on this earth is a further defilement in our name and on behalf of our species. So I guess what I'm saying is that The Beach Bum was brutally unfunny to me and I would never watch it again. I expect that I'm alone on this because every testimonial I read on it (positive or negative) only ever mentioned how lighthearted, carefree, and quirky it was, lacking in substance and message...and to me the message was a dire prognosis.



edit; so I guess I'd say the film is successful

BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 20:08 on May 27, 2020

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013


If it wasn't for disappointment,
I wouldn't have any appointment.





Grimey Drawer

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Here's a different take from someone who's watched all of Korine's stuff and pretty much liked it all; I walked out of The Beach Bum depressed af. Korine is so incredibly smart and sly, and what he slipped to people here is something masquerading aggressively as stoner comedy, but in actuality is brutal political satire. The people depicted in that film are the ones that currently run the world. Korine knows this, and time and again he presents the viewer with scenarios of them getting everything while doing nothing of value, making GBS threads on the poor, burning the world in their wake and getting an honorary degree for it.

The Beach Bum is a beautifully shot, wild, and sadistic examination of the psychotic neoliberal market order, where the Branson-esque gangsters of the world feign to empathise with us and are slick enough to have extensive environmental PR campaigns and carbon neutral investment portfolios, yet every breath they take on this earth is a further defilement in our name and on behalf of our species. So I guess what I'm saying is that The Beach Bum was brutally unfunny to me and I would never watch it again. I expect that I'm alone on this because every testimonial I read on it (positive or negative) only ever mentioned how lighthearted, carefree, and quirky it was, lacking in substance and message...and to me the message was a dire prognosis.



edit; so I guess I'd say the film is successful

I completely agree on all these points, and I've mentioned it as such in a few of my write-ups. It's biting satire of hedonism and how money perpetuates the most abhorrent lifestyles and debauchery is what makes it so great, because it makes Moon Dog's actions so appealing on the surface, but really it's why the world is hosed up. And he is a completely miserable person throughout the film. He is creatively bankrupt, he is nostalgic for an era 40 years gone (especially evident in the soundtrack), he is selfish in his romances and ruins the happiness of the people around him, he is destructive to the lives of everyone, he is a disappointment to fans who believe in him, and his money and power fuel the money and power of people even worse than him, and he is greatly rewarded for all of it.

But it's also incredibly funny.

I don't think it's mutually exclusive in anything it does. In fact, it's so masterful of this, because it handles emotional weight so effortlessly. It goes from funny comedy to sad heartbroken romance to self destructive drama to loneliness to melancholic loss to comedy again in a single scene. The wedding, Moon Dog seeing his wife and Lingerie's affair, Moon Dog realizing his daughter is moving on to a guy he hates, Moon Dog going to the bar to drink away his woes, Moon Dog's wife singing to him, the car accident, Minnie's death, Moon Dog being kicked out of the house; all in the span of 6ish minutes? Incredible.

It's absolutely a satirical dark comedy, but it's still a comedy. Korine's just put the acid deeper under the surface of a stoner comedy rather than on the surface like Spring Breakers.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

BUT SATAN'S BOY
I COULD NEVER BE!



Pork Pro

Franchescanado posted:

I completely agree on all these points, and I've mentioned it as such in a few of my write-ups. It's biting satire of hedonism and how money perpetuates the most abhorrent lifestyles and debauchery is what makes it so great, because it makes Moon Dog's actions so appealing on the surface, but really it's why the world is hosed up. And he is a completely miserable person throughout the film. He is creatively bankrupt, he is nostalgic for an era 40 years gone (especially evident in the soundtrack), he is selfish in his romances and ruins the happiness of the people around him, he is destructive to the lives of everyone, he is a disappointment to fans who believe in him, and his money and power fuel the money and power of people even worse than him, and he is greatly rewarded for all of it.

But it's also incredibly funny.

I don't think it's mutually exclusive in anything it does. In fact, it's so masterful of this, because it handles emotional weight so effortlessly. It goes from funny comedy to sad heartbroken romance to self destructive drama to loneliness to melancholic loss to comedy again in a single scene. The wedding, Moon Dog seeing his wife and Lingerie's affair, Moon Dog realizing his daughter is moving on to a guy he hates, Moon Dog going to the bar to drink away his woes, Moon Dog's wife singing to him, the car accident, Minnie's death, Moon Dog being kicked out of the house; all in the span of 6ish minutes? Incredible.

It's absolutely a satirical dark comedy, but it's still a comedy. Korine's just put the acid deeper under the surface of a stoner comedy rather than on the surface like Spring Breakers.

Yeah, great post. I guess I didn't watch it in a happy context either. At the time I felt surrounded by people irl and online who saw it as another innocent summer flick and nobody at the time seemed to acknowledge the poo poo that the film was actually saying. Sorry to be a bummer, but it's nice to know I'm not crazy.

edit;

Like not since Starship Troopers has a film been this misread by all the standard dipshits

quote:

The Beach Bum somehow manages to be an upbeat, triumphant tale of creativity and free-spiritedness.

quote:

The Beach Bum is barely a movie; it’s more of a joyous squiggle adorned with a paper cocktail umbrella, a “What did I just see?” dollar-store trinket. But in these dark times, it’s just the ticket.


quote:

[McConaughey]’s so entertaining, in fact, that it takes nearly the entirety of “The Beach Bum” to fully absorb how little else there is to the film once the initial high of basking in Moondog’s perma-stoned glory wears off.

quote:

However, considering who was at the helm, it is not focused enough and winds up with nothing to say.

quote:

In short, the pursuit of pleasure is not confined to our hero alone but extended to all comers, with a horny democratic good will, and it’s typical of Korine to suggest that, in an era as acrimonious as ours, the true provocation is to harbor no grudges, to forgive us our trespasses, and to drift along, catching the tide of contentment.


BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 27, 2020

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013


If it wasn't for disappointment,
I wouldn't have any appointment.





Grimey Drawer

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Yeah, great post. I guess I didn't watch it in a happy context either. At the time I felt surrounded by people irl and online who saw it as another innocent summer flick and nobody at the time seemed to acknowledge the poo poo that the film was actually saying. Sorry to be a bummer, but it's nice to know I'm not crazy.

Like I said in an earlier post, I totally know it's not for everybody. But like Starship Troopers and Dr. Strangelove, it's message is bleak and nihilistic, but that's hidden under the veneer of an excellent example of it's genre, in TBB's case a stoner comedy. Doubly ironic, since Moon Dog's perpetual high is a very shallow mask of indulgence.

It works on a lot of levels (there's also a pretty strong theme about writer's block that feels genuine to Harmony's own struggles with the writer/filmmaker he used to be vs the writer/filmmaker he is now) and it's why I loved it so much.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cloks
Jan 31, 2013

Guaranteed to be right twice a day.




Seconding that I didn't find it funny at all, just incredibly depressing. Glad I watched it though.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply
«408 »