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habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

paradoxGentleman posted:

This, this, a thousand times this. The only thing that matters is "Minrah cast a buff spell associated with Thor and attacked Redcloak, thus interrupting his powerful clerical spell". The fact that D&D shorthand are used to signify this doesn't change this.

If we were going purely by D&D rulea Roy, Belkar and Haley would be dead weight, and in all likelihood so would Elan.

Nah, Rich throws in D&D stuff specifically for people to sperg over. It's not worth getting in a snit about any inconsistencies, but it's fun to fiddle with.

Likewise, I don't see how even mild powergaming makes sense in a world inhabited by ostensibly normal folk. Sure, you could have an unbeatable lv 16 wizard with contingencies for everything if they're rich enough... but that doesn't jibe with the world we've been shown. Instead, it's populated by people who haven't read every splatbook and haven't contemplated the implications of spell synergies.

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Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...



habeasdorkus posted:

Nah, Rich throws in D&D stuff specifically for people to sperg over. It's not worth getting in a snit about any inconsistencies, but it's fun to fiddle with.

Likewise, I don't see how even mild powergaming makes sense in a world inhabited by ostensibly normal folk. Sure, you could have an unbeatable lv 16 wizard with contingencies for everything if they're rich enough... but that doesn't jibe with the world we've been shown. Instead, it's populated by people who haven't read every splatbook and haven't contemplated the implications of spell synergies.

The most optimized character was Zz'dtri I think? Who was optimized specifically to be a pain in the rear end for V.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It is time for your viscera to see the light of day!

Has Elan's mom been shown in more than one panel?

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Per Minrah's levels and according to the OOTS forums boffins. Though looking at the link cited I'm not sure it's really accurate-she just says that she's a good fighter before she became a cleric. So she might be lower than 5th, which would make sense. The PC's could (and probably should) have leveled a couple times since we last saw their official level-ups... I don't recall anyone leveling except Elan since the Empire of Blood sideplot.

9th Level cleric is what would be required to cast Righteous Might (5th level spell), which is where I'm getting that from. She cast Searing Light during the Vamp arc, so that'd have made her 5th Level at that point.

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008



habeasdorkus posted:

Nah, Rich throws in D&D stuff specifically for people to sperg over. It's not worth getting in a snit about any inconsistencies, but it's fun to fiddle with.

Likewise, I don't see how even mild powergaming makes sense in a world inhabited by ostensibly normal folk. Sure, you could have an unbeatable lv 16 wizard with contingencies for everything if they're rich enough... but that doesn't jibe with the world we've been shown. Instead, it's populated by people who haven't read every splatbook and haven't contemplated the implications of spell synergies.

Yeah - and it's also worth remembering, a lot of the really broken caster stuff is from splatbooks. Clerics without divine metamagic are more powerful than fighters and rangers, but not egregiously so. PHB wizards are very strong (Evard's Black Tentacles is ridiculously overtuned) but they're not as heinous as they get when you bring expanded spell lists and feats into play.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...



ultrafilter posted:

Has Elan's mom been shown in more than one panel?

Yes - she was in a few flashback panels (serve, serve, serve refreshing adult beverages! and the overly complicated table service plan) as well as the big illusion.

MildShow
Jan 4, 2012

Part Man. Part Pillow. All Carnage.


ultrafilter posted:

Has Elan's mom been shown in more than one panel?

According to the character appearance count list on the GitP forums, she's been in four strips.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.




Also she falls into V's spouse category of "What can she do, attack them in the hole in their armor the size and shape of a refreshing adult beverage?"

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004



ultrafilter posted:

Has Elan's mom been shown in more than one panel?
Would it surprise you if i told you that OotS got the most obsessively maintained wiki: https://oots.fandom.com/wiki/Elan%27s_mother

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 26, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation


Lipstick Apathy

kwokkie posted:

There's a 'fizzle' sound effect in the last panel, so maybe the spell didn't finish at all and Durkon looking hurt is just something superficial and not real damage?

Nah, the comic's always used that kind of stuff as a visual representation of HP. It would be weird to have it be cosmetic just this one time. It seems like in this setting implosion works like some crushing spells in various systems, where a target is helpless and takes damage until their HP hits zero and they get imploded or the spell ends. That would explain why the spell destroyed those mooks near instantly but took a short while to fully implode Durkon.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.




Taciturn Tactician posted:

Nah, the comic's always used that kind of stuff as a visual representation of HP. It would be weird to have it be cosmetic just this one time. It seems like in this setting implosion works like some crushing spells in various systems, where a target is helpless and takes damage until their HP hits zero and they get imploded or the spell ends. That would explain why the spell destroyed those mooks near instantly but took a short while to fully implode Durkon.

Would it surprise you to learn that that is not at all how the implode spell works?

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Yeah, the implode spell kills a person in one round if they fail the fort save. If you ran it strictly adhering to the spell's description in the SRD or whatever, it wouldn't allow for either a monologue or for an ally to disrupt the spell. It'd just straight up mook Durkon. That being said, it's cooler for it to work more slowly here, so who cares what the SRD says.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC


It's funny how Redcloak nearly doomed the world right there and then. What no one in setting knows beside Loki and Thor is if this goes sideways then Loki is switching to support Hela to make sure his daughter has enough souls to last until the next world. I wonder how close he'll let Team Evil get to destroying the gate before he flips his vote? That red line hasn't been made clear yet.

oobey
Nov 19, 2002



Gwyneth Palpate posted:

If you ran it strictly adhering to the spell's description in the SRD or whatever, it wouldn't allow for either a monologue or for an ally to disrupt the spell.

Talking is a Free Action. Durkon could recite all of War and Peace in the six seconds it would take him to die.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

oobey posted:

Talking is a Free Action. Durkon could recite all of War and Peace in the six seconds it would take him to die.

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008



Mechanically this is wonky regardless but the cleanest way to interpret it is "Minrah won initiative, cast Thor's Might and moved into range, then Redcloak attempted to cast his spell, took an opportunity attack, and failed his Concentration check". We see things happen slightly out of order from that, but the combat mechanics of it track that way.

oobey
Nov 19, 2002




Who knew that Disintegrate spell would go on to have such dire ramifications?

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.




oobey posted:

Who knew that Disintegrate spell would go on to have such dire ramifications?

Actually it was the second casting that had dire ramifications.

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 26, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation


Lipstick Apathy

ikanreed posted:

Would it surprise you to learn that that is not at all how the implode spell works?

I know how it works in the SRD.

Taciturn Tactician posted:

It seems like in this setting

Redcloak already has said it prevents resurrection, so it's already different than SRD implosion.

Kalas
Jul 27, 2007


violent sex idiot posted:

the dungeons and dragons mechanical bits do not matter

Multiple times raw game mechanics have been directly referenced/applied by characters in the comic. People tend to forget this, but at the same time they matter as much as Rich wants them to matter.

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It is time for your viscera to see the light of day!

The rules matter to the extent that they support the story. If there's conflict between them, the story always wins.

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