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Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012


Soup du Jour posted:

Xykon is basically what would happen if Incubus was turned into a skeleton

So would be the Auntie Maya in this analogy?

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Sep 30, 2009

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TheAceOfLungs posted:

Probably the best "All Just A Dream" ending was Bob Newhart.
I feel like we're sleeping on Jacob's Ladder here.

Regalingualius posted:

So would be the Auntie Maya in this analogy?
Redcloak.

Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012


PMush Perfect posted:

I feel like we're sleeping on Jacob's Ladder here.

Redcloak.

When’s the last time he did something on the scale of slicing a city block in half vertically with one swing of a broken sword, though?

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Sep 30, 2009

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Regalingualius posted:

When’s the last time he did something on the scale of slicing a city block in half vertically with one swing of a broken sword, though?
2012.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice


There is just something so fiendish about Redcloak's dialogue that strip and it's amazing.

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Raenir Salazar posted:

There is just something so fiendish about Redcloak's dialogue that strip and it's amazing.
Its because he's talking to corpses who can't hear and outsiders who he doesn't about care about their opinion. He's just a lone nut muttering to himself for himself.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

World Famous W posted:

Its because he's talking to corpses who can't hear and outsiders who he doesn't about care about their opinion. He's just a lone nut muttering to himself for himself.

IIRC he's talking to the group that's returning, I think he's responding to their conversation?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017




I wonder whether the Snarl didn't get bored and began creating its own world, and that'd explain why we see a planet in the rifts. The Snarl has enough divine energy to kill gods, it'd only stand to reason it also has enough divine energy to create.

Odin has a line about yarn spinning yarn, and at the start of the current book there's a fake-out with Belkar's cat playing with a ball of yarn that's presented at first if it's the Snarl.

World of stick figures, world of yarn figures? Maybe that's how they can resolve the conundrum with the Dark One and the goblins, they can go live in the Snarl's world?

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!




Thought it was gonna link to this.

Raenir Salazar posted:

IIRC he's talking to the group that's returning, I think he's responding to their conversation?

As Redcloak says later, they're all dead (even the polymorphed spy); they just doesn't know it yet. In that scene, the only audience that Redcloak cares about is Redcloak.

Capfalcon fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 17, 2021

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude



Christ, that easily one of the most brutal scenes in the comic

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?


Nah, Redcloak is Allison:

- Was chosen as a successor by someone who died seconds later
- Fights against the unjust system set up by corrupt gods
- Started a war
- Binds demons
- Was offered a chance to give up his plans in exchange for breaking the cosmic cycle of world destruction
- Lost an eye
- Deep down, really hates himself

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


Raenir Salazar posted:

IIRC he's talking to the group that's returning, I think he's responding to their conversation?

Yes: corpses.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Nah, Redcloak is Allison:

- Was chosen as a successor by someone who died seconds later
- Fights against the unjust system set up by corrupt gods
- Started a war
- Binds demons
- Was offered a chance to give up his plans in exchange for breaking the cosmic cycle of world destruction
- Lost an eye
- Deep down, really hates himself

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Sep 30, 2009

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Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Nah, Redcloak is Allison:

- Was chosen as a successor by someone who died seconds later
- Fights against the unjust system set up by corrupt gods
- Started a war
- Binds demons
- Was offered a chance to give up his plans in exchange for breaking the cosmic cycle of world destruction
- Lost an eye
- Deep down, really hates himself
Counterargument:
- Is an emotionally-repressed mastermind, the exact opposite of a furious dumbass
- Terrible at improvising, needs a Plan for everything
- Hasn't even kissed one devil

sebmojo posted:

Yes: corpses.

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Apr 17, 2021

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


I can not argue that Redcloak should be more dumbass and kiss more devils. These things are simply true.

However,

PMush Perfect posted:

- Terrible at improvising, needs a Plan for everything

is what Tsukiko thought, and it didn't work out too well for her.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


Schwarzwald posted:

I can not argue that Redcloak should be more dumbass and kiss more devils. These things are simply true.

However,


is what Tsukiko thought, and it didn't work out too well for her.

Redcloak probably had those exact events planned out the day Xykon brought her on board.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 29, 2005


A.o.D. posted:

Redcloak probably had those exact events planned out the day Xykon brought her on board.

I mean, doesn't take a master tactician to realize " I am higher level than her, I could easily command the undead she creates".

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






If you have enough contingency plans it looks like you're good at improvising. Having access to high-level cleric spells helps too.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


What are redcloaks moments of improvisation? Azure city?

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

ultrafilter posted:

If you have enough contingency plans it looks like you're good at improvising. Having access to high-level cleric spells helps too.

And conversely, if you're good enough at improvising, it looks like you have a lot of contingency plans. I'm convinced that's how Xykon operates, and whenever he begrudgingly admits that he's a lot smarter than he looks, he's actually just bullshitting to wind Redcloak up.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.





sebmojo posted:

What are redcloaks moments of improvisation? Azure city?

Against the paladin ghosts and against v, he was dealing with the unexpected and had to plan on the fly. Which is a lot like improvising.

Regalingualius
Jan 6, 2012


A.o.D. posted:

Redcloak probably had those exact events planned out the day Xykon brought her on board.

He still only had the time it took for him to climb up the stairs to come up with an airtight and plausible explanation for the circumstances of her death that would leave Xykon none the wiser... at the same time he was also making a perfect replica of the phylactery.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 29, 2005


Regalingualius posted:

He still only had the time it took for him to climb up the stairs to come up with an airtight and plausible explanation for the circumstances of her death that would leave Xykon none the wiser... at the same time he was also making a perfect replica of the phylactery.

All he had to do was tell the truth.


Well, most of the truth.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Okay, 'he can't improvise' withdrawn, and resubmitted as "he has a Plan and values it over everything else"

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 26, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation


Lipstick Apathy

Johnny Aztec posted:

I mean, doesn't take a master tactician to realize " I am higher level than her, I could easily command the undead she creates".

He does say in the comic that he commanded them the second he walked into the room, though. He didn't just command them at the spur of the moment when he attacked her with them.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Taciturn Tactician posted:

He does say in the comic that he commanded them the second he walked into the room, though. He didn't just command them at the spur of the moment when he attacked her with them.
That counts less as 'improvisation' and more as 'due diligence/appropriate levels of caution'.

If she'd actually said she was looking for the TiVo remote because she didn't want to admit her plan to his face, he probably would have quietly let go of the ghouls and gone back to his business.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

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Taciturn Tactician posted:

He does say in the comic that he commanded them the second he walked into the room, though. He didn't just command them at the spur of the moment when he attacked her with them.

He probably did this every time he got anywhere near her, as a contingency.

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

I think high wisdom might actually imply being good at improvisation.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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No one wise gets into improve.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Raenir Salazar posted:

I think high wisdom might actually imply being good at improvisation.
I dunno. Having the ability to look at your own thoughts and say “that might be a bad idea” could harm improv skill as much as help.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013




This is d&d, not Disco Elysium. High stats don't have downsides.

S.D.
Apr 28, 2008


How dare you slander Electrochemistry like this

Edit: JK Simmons has reminded me that this is libel, not slander

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Sep 30, 2009

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Khizan posted:

This is d&d, not Disco Elysium. High stats don't have downsides.
That sounds more Encyclopedia than Shivers.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004



Khizan posted:

This is d&d, not Disco Elysium. High stats don't have downsides.
Let's be honest, no stat is gonna tell you the other stats are compromised. Okay maybe Willpower will but let's be honest charisma was kinda hit by the breakup and is now a little sycophant singing her prize.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

Rise and shine, master leprechaun.





Raenir Salazar posted:

I think high wisdom might actually imply being good at improvisation.

It makes just as much sense to say a high wisdom would make you value planning ahead.

Regardless, it's clear that redcloak has exceptional mental stats across the board.

He's a skilled liar and leader, and no slouch at intimidating an imprisoned paladin. His force of personality dominates any room that doesn't also contain xykon.

He shows incredible foresight, willpower, and situational awareness, and is not easily fooled(though sirini managed it)

And he's a nerdy intellectual, loves science and reading. Is deeply knowledgeable about the world, and it's properties, devises and executes meticulously complex plans, taking lots of complexity in mind.

He's got mental weaknesses, but they're in his personality, not his skills.

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Jun 17, 2020

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Redcloak obviously prefers extensive planning ahead whenever possible, but there's no way he'd have been able to survive this long with Xykon if he wasn't capable of handling the unexpected.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

Life's too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
Life's too short not
To love everybody
Life is too long to hate




Yeah, Redcloak's not Nale, lol

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011






Muldoon

Yeah Nale had people in his life who loved him.

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.



College Slice

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Yeah Nale had people in his life who loved him.

In Start of Darkness Redcloak had a brother and a neice and nephew, who loved him, all of whom he killed.

So that's nice.

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Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

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Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Yeah Nale had people in his life who loved him.

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