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So, were Haley and Red supposed to be related to draketooth clan (what with the red hair and all, friends in the desert reference, etc)? If so, would the Cloister spell and the antimagic zone prison have protected them against the familicide spell? Usually with the AOE spells the save is easier than direct target spells, therefore with a spell with an AOE of this scope maybe relatively minor protections (or other epic magic in the case of Cloister) could effectively hide them from the spell?
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Goffer posted:So, were Haley and Red supposed to be related to draketooth clan (what with the red hair and all, friends in the desert reference, etc)? This is what I'd bet on. The Cloister is epic magic on its own, and the anti-magic field COULD be pierced with epic magic, but it likely wasn't something Haerta put into the spell while she was designing it.
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Mar 6, 2012 12:59
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Theres also the possibility that the connection is on Haley's mothers side, which would protect Ian, and then were down to cloister protecting Haley and since epic must defeat epic it fits. God V would turn suicidal if s/he learned how close he was to murdering their best friend.
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Mar 6, 2012 13:01
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Speedball posted:I just want to know if V can pull his karma out of the screaming nosedive it currently is in. There's no "karma" on my alignment chart, buddy.  Rumda posted:Theres also the possibility that the connection is on Haley's mothers side, which would protect Ian, and then were down to cloister protecting Haley and since epic must defeat epic it fits. Does V really have "friends" as we think of them? Even at his/her best, he/she is pretty distant towards the other party members.
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Mar 6, 2012 13:59
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I don't know s/he always seemed close to Haley, after all s/he didn't push theirself so to find Roy's corpse or Belkar, s/he wanted to prove magic is as powerful as s/he thinks it is by finding Haley, and if you have read OoTPCs then is shows that V and Haley were friend before they joined the party and V only joined up a her insistence
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Mar 6, 2012 14:06
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Rumda posted:I don't know s/he always seemed close to Haley, after all s/he didn't push theirself so to find Roy's corpse or Belkar, s/he wanted to prove magic is as powerful as s/he thinks it is by finding Haley, and if you have read OoTPCs then is shows that V and Haley were friend before they joined the party and V only joined up a her insistence Gotcha. I haven't gotten the printed books yet, so there are things I don't know. 
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Mar 6, 2012 14:07
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Maxwell Lord posted:I really hope there's a new strip soon. Won't work. You forgot to ask if Burlew is all right.
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Mar 7, 2012 04:55
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So if the entire Draketooth clan is dead, who cast the Arcane Eye?
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Mar 7, 2012 08:24
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blastron posted:So if the entire Draketooth clan is dead, who cast the Arcane Eye? That was Nale (he tells Tarquin).
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Mar 7, 2012 08:28
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Alchenar posted:That was Nale (he tells Tarquin). Specifically, based on casting-color, it was the Dark-Elf that hangs out with Nale.
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Mar 7, 2012 10:02
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Speedball posted:I just want to know if V can pull his karma out of the screaming nosedive it currently is in. 
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Mar 7, 2012 19:18
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Factor_VIII posted:That's not really necessary when you can just turn yourself into a lich and no longer have to worry about dying. Precisely. Like the Big X said, "Be a vampire, or a ghost, or an immortal with a paint-by-numbers portrait in the rec room. Hell, even a brain-in-a-jar, in a pinch. Anything to avoid the Big Fire Below." I guess explains why so many intelligent undead are evil...they're dodging hellfire!
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Mar 7, 2012 19:30
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jng2058 posted:Precisely. Like the Big X said, "Be a vampire, or a ghost, or an immortal with a paint-by-numbers portrait in the rec room. Hell, even a brain-in-a-jar, in a pinch. Anything to avoid the Big Fire Below." Barring old age, just having a few Clones with Gentle Repose running is a good way to avoid having to go to the afterlife. It's actually better than lichdom in a way, since you can have multiple clones as opposed to a single phylactery.
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Mar 7, 2012 19:43
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I think Clone can actually let you dodge death by old age too: since the clone doesn't age, you can kill yourself once you're pretty old and you'll pop up into a younger body. The clause only applies if you actually die from aging. Though, a DM might not allow you to use Gentle Repose for the preservation, since the spell very explicitly targets a corpse, and while an inert clone is pretty much the same thing one could argue that a Necromancy spell can tell the difference.
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NihilCredo posted:I think Clone can actually let you dodge death by old age too: since the clone doesn't age, you can kill yourself once you're pretty old and you'll pop up into a younger body. The clause only applies if you actually die from aging. Pathfinder introduces a special ability 20th level wizards can get instead of a bonus feat called Immortality, which does what the title says. Means powerful wizards can live forever without having to resort to evil means such as lichdom. NihilCredo posted:Though, a DM might not allow you to use Gentle Repose for the preservation, since the spell very explicitly targets a corpse, and while an inert clone is pretty much the same thing one could argue that a Necromancy spell can tell the difference.
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Mar 7, 2012 20:36
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Well the only way to make sure he lives forever and doesn't convert to evil or go to hell would would be an Evangion transformation. Better dual to psionicist and start researchin'. Good news is Elves live a really long time anyway.
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Mar 7, 2012 21:00
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greatn posted:Well the only way to make sure he lives forever and doesn't convert to evil or go to hell would would be an Evangion transformation. Better dual to psionicist and start researchin'. Good news is Elves live a really long time anyway.
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Mar 7, 2012 21:06
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Isn't a Clone a copy of you, not the 'real' you? So if you die, why should the DM let you play a Clone? They're NPCs...
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Mar 7, 2012 21:26
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Sergeant Rock posted:Isn't a Clone a copy of you, not the 'real' you? So if you die, why should the DM let you play a Clone? They're NPCs...
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Mar 7, 2012 21:31
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V's arc, from the time he left the party to now, has been my favorite part of OotS. Other parts of the strip have come close (Tarquin, Thog) from time to time, but anything that has to do with V has been wonderful. V's the best.
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Mar 7, 2012 23:53
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We already know V can't get a happy ending. I'm half expecting he intentionally fails a save vs disintegration or something while the fiends are possessing him. Speaking of happy endings, apparently Elan is the only one who'll get one. Except Haley is officially his lover now, so if she dies or something horrible happens to her it can't be happy for him. I'm really interested in seeing how that works.
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wdarkk posted:We already know V can't get a happy ending. I'm half expecting he intentionally fails a save vs disintegration or something while the fiends are possessing him.
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Mar 8, 2012 01:55
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wdarkk posted:We already know V can't get a happy ending. I'm half expecting he intentionally fails a save vs disintegration or something while the fiends are possessing him. No, the Oracle only said that Elan would get a happy ending - NOT that he would be the ONLY one to get a happy ending.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:No, the Oracle only said that Elan would get a happy ending - NOT that he would be the ONLY one to get a happy ending. Yeah. He implied that some of the others wouldn't, but never said all of them wouldn't.
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wdarkk posted:We already know V can't get a happy ending. I'm half expecting he intentionally fails a save vs disintegration or something while the fiends are possessing him. Elan's the only one guaranteed to get a happy ending. That doesn't necessarily exclude anyone else in the party, though the way it's phrased suggests that not everyone will get one. My money's on Belkar not getting one, what with the more or less imminent death and all. Probably not Durkon either, what with the posthumously bit. V and Roy are in the grey area, but since we all agree that Elan's ending won't be all that happy unless she's around to give it to him, Haley's probably in the clear. EDIT: Man, 
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jng2058 posted:Elan's the only one guaranteed to get a happy ending. That doesn't necessarily exclude anyone else in the party, though the way it's phrased suggests that not everyone will get one. My money's on Belkar not getting one, what with the more or less imminent death and all. Probably not Durkon either, what with the posthumously bit. V and Roy are in the grey area, but since we all agree that Elan's ending won't be all that happy unless she's around to give it to him, Haley's probably in the clear. Durkon was actually pretty happy about his ending, even if it wasn't his happiest possibility he was pretty stoked about getting to return home to be be buried.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:No, the Oracle only said that Elan would get a happy ending - NOT that he would be the ONLY one to get a happy ending. At the very least, Haley will also because, after all, Elan's ending can't be happy without his love interest!
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It's probably worth noting here that, given that we're talking about Elan, a "happy ending" could mean drat near anything as long as it was narratively satisfying.
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Speaking of immortality, I came across this thread that sums up in its opening posts all the ways to be or become immortal in 3.5E D&D.jng2058 posted:Probably not Durkon either, what with the posthumously bit. V and Roy are in the grey area, but since we all agree that Elan's ending won't be all that happy unless she's around to give it to him, Haley's probably in the clear.
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Wanderer posted:It's probably worth noting here that, given that we're talking about Elan, a "happy ending" could mean drat near anything as long as it was narratively satisfying. He strikes me as the dude who would accept dying for a good cause, if he gave it his absolute best, a happy ending as long as the end result justified it.
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I'm pretty sure a happy ending for Elan has to involve him and Roy becoming half brothers and hanging out for eternity, or at least till the epilogue. I wouldn't call it a happy ending for Roy but i reckon he'll survive.
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Elan specifically broke dramatic convention by telling Haley what happened with Therkla because he didn't see how they could get a happy ending if he wasn't completely honest; "I live happily ever after with Haley" is probably on his mental definition of the term.
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I could easily see Elan sacrificing himself to save Hayley. He's happy she's alive but we're all bummed as hell 
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Huh, for some reason I remembered the oracle's words as "just you".
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Rarity posted:I could easily see Elan sacrificing himself to save Hayley. He's happy she's alive but we're all bummed as hell That could happen... but that is not the impression I got from reading Rich's commentary in the books about that scene.
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Rarity posted:I could easily see Elan sacrificing himself to save Hayley. He's happy she's alive but we're all bummed as hell
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Factor_VIII posted:Until they get a cleric to cast Raise Dead? Not if the sacrifice involves the Rift/Snarl.
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Wanderer posted:It's probably worth noting here that, given that we're talking about Elan, a "happy ending" could mean drat near anything as long as it was narratively satisfying. I think to Elan, such an ending would be a "Good Ending" with "Happy Ending" being a specific type of good ending. I'm sure they will all get good endings, just because Rich is a good writer. Or maybe Elan will just good a full-release massage somewhere.
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The Rooster posted:Or maybe Elan will just good a full-release massage somewhere.
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Colon V posted:Haley puts those ranks in Sleight of Hand to good use? We've already seen that she knows the finer points of Use Rope... 
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