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Eifert Posting posted:Rich isn't ok I hope that's just a bad joke 
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Jan 17, 2021 03:26
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The downside of not setting up an RSS feed is being fooled by 60 new posts about RSS feeds into thinking there was a new comic Now to start 60 posts of people complaining that they came in thinking it was a new comic only to see 60 posts of people complaining about no new comic
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Jan 17, 2021 03:30
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If there was anything seriously wrong, there'd be an update over on GiTP about it just like when he hurt his thumb. Almost certainly just normal "I can't wait a month for the strip!" griping.
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Jan 17, 2021 03:31
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Maybe he got arrested for storming the capitol. lol
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Jan 17, 2021 03:34
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When you really hit rock bottom, you break into an elementary school art classroom just so you can see some stick figures
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Jan 17, 2021 03:34
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Maybe it's homebrew. Pretty sure it was within the rules of D&D 3.5 to Make Things UpTM a few pages late but: War and XPs, pg 368 posted:I will say this much: It is possible to guess.
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Jan 17, 2021 09:51
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What was the longest the comic went without an update?
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Jan 17, 2021 12:42
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Probably the 3 months break after Rich's thumb got got. Maybe some breaks between books came close?
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Jan 17, 2021 13:19
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ZearothK posted:What was the longest the comic went without an update? That time when he injured his thumb it was out for 3 months and change. A one-month gap between updates isn’t even that unusual. Presumably he took some time off over Xmas/NY (at least I hope he did), and the events of the last two weeks can’t have been great for his ability to concentrate on drawing stick figures.
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Jan 17, 2021 13:22
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:I still think about the "power is power" speech. Applied it in my life, even.
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Jan 17, 2021 13:57
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Eifert Posting posted:Rich isn't ok In fairness, nobody is.
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Jan 17, 2021 21:11
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maltesh posted:Ah: Meant to ask; What's a recommended Xykon quote for an avatar? Other than "Power is Power?" The Evil: A Growth Industry panel. "We're Always Hiring!"
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Jan 18, 2021 00:15
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Someone else is already using that one though.
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Jan 18, 2021 00:17
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sirtommygunn posted:Someone else is already using that one though. Avatars are not prom dresses, people can have identical ones
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Jan 18, 2021 00:38
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No way there's already two people running around with an avatar of a dog with sunglasses and two people with like a monster man with a hammer or something I think is from a video game and they all post on the politics forums and I'm already confused enough sometimes. I don't want no double avatars trouble in the OotS thread!
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Jan 18, 2021 01:57
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Facebook Aunt posted:Maybe he got arrested for storming the capitol. lol Fairly certain from what I know of Rich's politics, he'd never be close to that crowd, but please don't joke about that. I'd legit consider walking out on OOTS if Rich was one of those folks.
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Jan 18, 2021 04:08
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Sky Shadowing posted:Fairly certain from what I know of Rich's politics, he'd never be close to that crowd, but please don't joke about that. I'd legit consider walking out on OOTS if Rich was one of those folks. I have a hard time imagining someone who could both write OOTS and be a mindless capital-storming maga - the cognitive dissonance between OOTS's values and Trump's would simply be too great. On the other hand, Orson Scott Card exists, so I suppose anything is possible.
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Jan 18, 2021 04:22
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DontMockMySmock posted:I have a hard time imagining someone who could both write OOTS and be a mindless capital-storming maga - the cognitive dissonance between OOTS's values and Trump's would simply be too great. On the other hand, Orson Scott Card exists, so I suppose anything is possible. Don't compare Rich to Card, that would be unfair to Rich. Ender's Game is good and Speaker For the Dead is decent, but everything else he's written is doodoo.
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Jan 18, 2021 05:10
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Gynovore posted:Don't compare Rich to Card, that would be unfair to Rich. Ender's Game is good and Speaker For the Dead is decent, but everything else he's written is doodoo. *inserts the XKCD comic/joke about how there's only 4 fans of xenocide* Well, tbf they are both good writers but only Rich has so far proven to be a good person. Amusingly Card is probably very much very similar to Eugene Greenhilt. Someone who maybe at some point was decent but as they got older just got more bitter and angry and stopped trying, based on my personal experiences in interacting with him.
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Jan 18, 2021 05:31
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Raenir Salazar posted:*inserts the XKCD comic/joke about how there's only 4 fans of xenocide* 
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Jan 18, 2021 05:47
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Gynovore posted:Don't compare Rich to Card, that would be unfair to Rich. Ender's Game is good and Speaker For the Dead is decent, but everything else he's written is doodoo. Speaker of the Dead had biologists too stupid to figure out a reproduction cycle and healing a traumatized child with a single hug because nobody had thought of hugging them before. I hate that book.
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Jan 18, 2021 05:48
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Gynovore posted:Don't compare Rich to Card, that would be unfair to Rich. Ender's Game is good and Speaker For the Dead is decent, but everything else he's written is doodoo. Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'd bet Burlew is a good person and definitely way better than Card. Card's just the go-to example for someone who writes good moral values (have empathy for those who are different from you, militarism is bad, etc) into a good book (Ender's Game) and then publicly espouses the exact opposite values for some reason.
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Jan 18, 2021 08:48
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I don't feel like Card could've written Miko?
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Jan 18, 2021 08:51
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Pope Guilty posted:I don't feel like Card could've written Miko? There's one or two characters that are vaguely miko-esque in outlook but that's getting into Jungian psychology and how archetypes can be shared across cultures, authors, genres, etc. Miko was arrogant, self righteous and undone by her own hubris, there's a handful of characters in Card's work that can fit that mould but the degree of round peg in a square hole will vary from reader to reader. Miko's arc is not particularly unique as a story telling character study. e: I think there's an element of that come to think of it that on reflection trying to think back on the Shadow series and the Ender Quartet Miko's arc is also not really something that fits his style so to speak, which I think is a nuanced distinction from being able to write such a character. I think it's really rare to find a character in Card's works that don't ultimately have the sudden horrible realization of their mistakes/misdeeds and seek forgiveness/redemption which would be more in keeping with his faith. If Card had written Miko, Miko either wouldn't have died, instead she'd probably after killing Shojo realize the error of her ways and then spend the remainder of the comic following the Order to try to redeem herself (or keep doubling down on her mistakes until finally having that moment of realization), or, having died, would try to pursue redemption or make amends as some kind of positive energy spirit/wraith/force ghost. Like the positive energy version of a vengeful spirit. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 09:03
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Raenir Salazar posted:There's one or two characters that are vaguely miko-esque in outlook but that's getting into Jungian psychology and how archetypes can be shared across cultures, authors, genres, etc. Miko was arrogant, self righteous and undone by her own hubris, there's a handful of characters in Card's work that can fit that mould but the degree of round peg in a square hole will vary from reader to reader. Miko's arc is not particularly unique as a story telling character study. Card just doesn't strike me as somebody who would think Miko was wrong about anything.
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Jan 18, 2021 09:09
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I know nothing about Card or Ender's Game specifically, but Rich has shown actual introspection and growth, most notably in his treatment of female characters, which puts him way ahead of any Trump rioters and a depressingly large segment of fantasy/sci-fi authors.
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Jan 18, 2021 09:14
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Pope Guilty posted:Card just doesn't strike me as somebody who would think Miko was wrong about anything. Not really sure that's right because come to think of it Gloriously Bright in Xenocide is kinda similar to Miko, down to accusing her father figure of treason, and she was definitely depicted as being wrong about everything. Zulily Zoetrope posted:I know nothing about Card or Ender's Game specifically, but Rich has shown actual introspection and growth, most notably in his treatment of female characters, which puts him way ahead of any Trump rioters and a depressingly large segment of fantasy/sci-fi authors. Definitely.
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Jan 18, 2021 09:17
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Raenir Salazar posted:Well, tbf they are both good writers Edit: We all have a lot of nostalgia for Ender's Game, but even that has a very simple and kind of thin plot, looking back. (And, LBR, Ender is a ridiculous Mary Sue.) girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 09:42
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I don't have much nostalgia for Ender's Game. Even when I was a kid reading it I thought it was stilted and kinda off-putting, especially that scene where he beats the bully to death. And Ender was absolutely a weirdo Marty Stu, lol. Only You Can Save Mankind was a far superior scifi novel.
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Jan 18, 2021 09:49
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Cup Runneth Over posted:
I feel pretty confident in believing that Pratchett is a good person too.
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Jan 18, 2021 11:32
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Sir Terry Pratchett was an absolute saint.
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Jan 18, 2021 11:48
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PMush Perfect posted:Correction: Card was a good writer. He's been phoning it in for decades. mary sues arent real, free your mind of internet poisoning
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Jan 18, 2021 12:19
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mandatory lesbian posted:mary sues arent real, free your mind of internet poisoning Mary Sues cannot exist in original fiction because we call them protagonists instead. They can exist in fanfiction though.
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Jan 18, 2021 12:55
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Mary Sue is shorthand for a specific character archetype. It conveys an idea and it's weird to get up in arms about it unless you're genuinely confused by what someone means when they say it.
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Jan 18, 2021 13:00
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Mary Sue is shorthand for a specific character archetype. It conveys an idea and it's weird to get up in arms about it unless you're genuinely confused by what someone means when they say it. its generally used nowadays to refer to a female protagonist who approaches the amount of poo poo a male protagonist gets away with
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Jan 18, 2021 15:22
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't have much nostalgia for Ender's Game. Even when I was a kid reading it I thought it was stilted and kinda off-putting, especially that scene where he beats the bully to death. And Ender was absolutely a weirdo Marty Stu, lol. I read it as an adult, and found it to be terrible. I can see why it works as YA, but it's not the serious moral treatise Card thinks it is.
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Jan 18, 2021 15:33
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The concept also sometimes gets thrown around in a misogynistic way by people who think women being able to do anything is a wild exaggeration of their ability, which other people are backlashing against. I don't really know much about Rich as a person, and I don't think Order of the Stick particularly gets directly into the value of democracy, but there does seem to be a general lack of singular omni-competent hero worship like you'd expect out of somebody who would get sucked in by a cult of personality. There is also a way that some characters just have a dark skin color and nobody cares about it and they freely enter romantic relationships with light-skinned characters that I don't think trump supporters would be fond of. The wholesomeness of Durkon's extended family also seems contrary to the way that recent politics have really forced a lot of families to  over political differences.
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Jan 18, 2021 16:05
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The author commentary for book 5 is pretty explicit about how a diverse group is up against an old white guy. I don't think Rich is a chud.
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Jan 18, 2021 16:27
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It's very odd to me that people think Mary Sue is a sexist term used to attack female main characters. I don't doubt that it happens, but I learned the term through examples that were exclusively male, namely the main character of Last of the Mohicans and Sasuke from Naruto. Ender has many Mary Sue characteristics but he suffers greatly. The story denies him things he wants. He does not resolve the conflict in a way that is morally acceptable to him. I think that makes it hard to call him a Sue. At least in book one. Superman in any bad superman story? Now there's Mary Sue.
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Jan 18, 2021 16:54
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It might depend on what parts of fandom you hang out in, for me Mary Sue was almost exclusively used to refer to female fan characters, especially self-inserts and the like. It wasn't used for canon characters all, and there were even, like, fanfiction cabals where people would write their own self-inserts going into other people's stories and killing the 'bad' self-inserts. The early late 90's/early 00's were wild. Mary Sue was mostly used for female characters at the time, but to be honest I could have probably counted male fanfiction self-inserts on one hand. Not enough teenage boys wanted to write about their torrid affair with Legolas I guess. Nowadays if I hear 'Mary Sue' it's mostly dudes complaining about Captain Marvel or Rey Skywalker or Arya Stark, or any other female lead in a predominantly male genre. So for some people it's not a sexiest term but I generally give them the old side-eye anyway. Edit: I know this has nothing to do with The Order Of The Stick but between here and the fanfiction arguments happening in some other threads I'm having flashbacks to 2001 LiveJournal fandom and it's been messing with my brain. YggiDee fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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