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i was sorta hoping for a more traditional dungeon layout as a throwback to the dungeon of dorukan, but this is pretty cool too. i wonder what insane monsters team evil has fought already? all we know for sure is there are some Purple Worms and a Roc down there somewhere
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(B^)U - I think I just had an evilgasm.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:03
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Think of all the xp in that dungeon.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:14
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greatn posted:Looked the same to me. I just noticed the darkness effect looked different, more dark somehow. He has a neck now, which is weird.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:17
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I'm all on board with the "none of the doors are correct" angle. Why make it even possible for them to guess correctly? In fact, I seem to recall Haley calling that out somewhere in Girard's valley.
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Jun 7, 2016 20:05
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Yeah. Serini was a rogue, she probably thought "shell game" too. That said, putting it inside the statue seems like a pretty bad move, since it seems pretty likely that any given evil villain would just smash the thing.
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Jun 7, 2016 20:17
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"Hundreds of doors packed with the strongest monsters and they're all the wrong one" is some dick dungeon design beyond Tomb of Horrors
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Jun 7, 2016 20:20
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ConfusedUs posted:I'm all on board with the "none of the doors are correct" angle. Why make it even possible for them to guess correctly? Haley called it out during the Azure City siege, where Xykon pulled that very trick.
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Jun 7, 2016 21:03
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I love the idea of the tomb of a jillion monsters quite naturally leading to the formation of a society of tamers that both maintain and benefit from its existence.
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Tenebrais posted:Haley called it out during the Azure City siege, where Xykon pulled that very trick. That's what it was. It was the three fake Xykons. The real one was invisible. I love the idea of Xykon getting owned by that very same trick. Shugojin posted:"Hundreds of doors packed with the strongest monsters and they're all the wrong one" is some dick dungeon design beyond Tomb of Horrors Isn't it glorious?
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Jun 7, 2016 21:35
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I know that "What do dungeon monsters eat?!" is the stereotypical example of Missing the Point 101, but... a filing cabinet of huge strong monsters, each one sitting quietly behind a single wooden door for decades waiting for an enterprising adventurer to knock, somehow feels too silly even for the OotS-verse.
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Jun 7, 2016 21:48
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NihilCredo posted:I know that "What do dungeon monsters eat?!" is the stereotypical example of Missing the Point 101, but... a filing cabinet of huge strong monsters, each one sitting quietly behind a single wooden door for decades waiting for an enterprising adventurer to knock, somehow feels too silly even for the OotS-verse. Unless there's more to each door than that
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Jun 7, 2016 21:59
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stasis field deactivates the moment you open the door. easy
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I feel like if there wasn't more to the doors than 'something behind the door in a 4x4 square room' or whatever, Xylon would have already blown open all the doors and be done with it.
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Jun 7, 2016 22:20
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"Wait, then monsters come back" suggests there's either a whole ecosystem here, or someone is still dropping in from time to time to bring supplies and fresh monsters. (I'm thinking it's the former, because Oona's tribe probably would've noticed the latter and her comments make more sense if she's worried about overfishing.)
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Jun 7, 2016 22:32
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Yeah, it sounds like the dungeon is a series of tunnels and caves, each full of nasty monsters. And also possibly enchanted to prevent stuff like the "blast it open and be done with it" approach.
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Jun 7, 2016 23:36
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NihilCredo posted:I know that "What do dungeon monsters eat?!" is the stereotypical example of Missing the Point 101, but... a filing cabinet of huge strong monsters, each one sitting quietly behind a single wooden door for decades waiting for an enterprising adventurer to knock, somehow feels too silly even for the OotS-verse. Doom 3?
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I feel like it's probably in the statue as well, based on the original strip showing where the rift was and where the statue went, plus the "Sacrifice Forgotten" on the statue seems a little weird.
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Jun 7, 2016 23:58
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The "monsters come back" comment makes me wonder if they respawn, setting it up for a meta video game joke for someone to make.
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Kruller posted:I feel like it's probably in the statue as well, based on the original strip showing where the rift was and where the statue went, plus the "Sacrifice Forgotten" on the statue seems a little weird. "Sacrifice Forgotten" is because they didn't get to tell anyone else about his sacrifice, in an effort to keep knowledge of the rifts from spreading.
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I don't see much difference with Xykon's art, I've been loving Redcloak's look though. Xykon so far seems to be doing an admirable job reining in his tendencies to murder minions indiscriminately, seeing how Oona seems to getting along so well with Team Evil. I can't see her looking the other way about that kind of thing the way Redcloak used to. Being from a persecuted group just barely eking by in a wasteland as well, I'm guessing one of her purposes may be in contrasting her to Redcloak. We're still getting to know the character, but already I doubt I could see her ever sacrificing family for the sake of revenge. Oh, and the shell game seems very probable. I'd always thought an epic level rogue might've come up with something more devious than stuffing a bunch of monsters in a dungeon. I'm thinking the MitD has just been handed Chekov's paintbrush, though. I'd be very willing to bet that gets used to leave a warning or message for O'chul once he realizes he's around.
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Hmm, the MitD doesn't leave any footprints in the snow. Clue, or red herring?
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Hmm, the MitD doesn't leave any footprints in the snow. Clue, or red herring? Well, he stamped his foot once and caused an earthquake, back in Azure City when Haley and Belkar were getting away with O-Chul and Roy's corpse, if I recall correctly. So, if nothing else, he has feet at least.
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Sefer posted:"Sacrifice Forgotten" is because they didn't get to tell anyone else about his sacrifice, in an effort to keep knowledge of the rifts from spreading. Yeah, it's a reference to the 'your sacrifice will never be forgotten' 'actually, I think that's exactly what's about to happen' dialogue from the crayons strip. Man, Xykon must've been so loving pissed when they arrived and found another bunch of goblins sitting on the Tomb, considering his mood about the whole Gobbtopia thing when they left.
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Kruller posted:I feel like it's probably in the statue as well, based on the original strip showing where the rift was and where the statue went, plus the "Sacrifice Forgotten" on the statue seems a little weird. I'm not convinced the statue is where the rift is. If you look in the background of that flashback shot the tree isn't in the statue panel and the mountains are different.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:I'm not convinced the statue is where the rift is. If you look in the background of that flashback shot the tree isn't in the statue panel and the mountains are different. I'm convinced the rift is somehow hidden such that saying to the statue 'Your sacrifice is not forgotten' is the key.
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NihilCredo posted:I know that "What do dungeon monsters eat?!" is the stereotypical example of Missing the Point 101, but... a filing cabinet of huge strong monsters, each one sitting quietly behind a single wooden door for decades waiting for an enterprising adventurer to knock, somehow feels too silly even for the OotS-verse. A magic item that conjures food/water once every day set in the back of each cave. That's a third level cleric spell, it can't be that hard to make it repeat.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:A magic item that conjures food/water once every day set in the back of each cave. That's a third level cleric spell, it can't be that hard to make it repeat. I didn't say impossible, I said silly.
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NihilCredo posted:I didn't say impossible, I said silly. I get what you're saying, but it's a silliness that dates back to the mid-70s and for all its absurdity is completely acceptable within the rules so it seems core OOTS, actually.
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It's probably not intentional, but the way Oona described her tribe taking advantage of the dungeon's ecosystem gave me strong Etrian Odyssey vibes.
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NihilCredo posted:I didn't say impossible, I said silly. Not much sillier than a giant block that says "The gate is in another pyramid."
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Hmm, the MitD doesn't leave any footprints in the snow. Clue, or red herring? We've only ever seen the MitD on land, though, right? It seems unlikely that it would be a herring or any other kind of fish. Unless it was somehow enchanted to survive on land...
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Taciturn Tactician posted:I'm not convinced the statue is where the rift is. If you look in the background of that flashback shot the tree isn't in the statue panel and the mountains are different. I wonder if the right door is 'all of them'. Seirini built the tomb to reflect Kraagor's belief in physical might, could be that the only way in is simply to beat what's behind every single door.
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DoctorTristan posted:I wonder if the right door is 'all of them'. Seirini built the tomb to reflect Kraagor's belief in physical might, could be that the only way in is simply to beat what's behind every single door. That would be my guess. Each door is guarding a piece of a key or some such.
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I'm beginning to wonder how Rich is doing.
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Lowtax? I saw him tweeting the other day.
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New one!
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At least Xykon got new boots out of it.
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Jun 17, 2016 14:14
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Xykon with the apt summary of Rule Zero in the 5th panel.
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I wonder if Rich has read and Iain M Banks, the whole multidimensional structure so your fancy plot skipping powers don't work is common enough but it reminded me of Matter first.
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