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Bamf posted:I'm sort of hoping Miko realizes what she's done and tries to achieve penance. They've got a fairly decent team mechanic going in the group so if they did go that way I'd hope it would be strictly sidecomic stuff. It's not a horrible idea, but I don't think it's likely. I'd say that bit about her meeting with the Linear Guild in prison is very possible (I had forgotten meeting an evil Outsider is a prerequisite for Blackguard, good catch!), but I can also see the invasion happening like next comic. Becoming disgraced meas she can't fight with her allies so she is abandoned, she meets the Linear Guild on the battlefield and is forced to team up (Nale and co have no protection from or alliance with the hobgoblins). Since the city is falling it's impossible to get a cleric in for the raise and the OoTS have to escape.
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The DnD morality system is fickle, but is also an odd flavor of objective. I'm not sure if doing good things with bad intentions is a good act, but the reverse absolutely is an evil act. Miko is, again, unflinchingly ridgid. She's always focused on the Lawful while using the Good as an excuse to gain the moral high ground and force her perspective on others. Now that she's been shown that the forces of Good doesn't agree with her vision of the world she just might resort to anything to accomplish them. And even if her vision of a perfect world is sunshine and candy if she becomes deluded enough to think her pure end justify her evil means she's textbook Lawful Evil, and any outsider worth his salt would take a good crack at manipulating her to his own gain. Even if she thinks she's fighting for acheivable good and peace there is always impurity, always something more she will be unwilling to compromise on (particularly with some demonic lacky whispering into her ear). Evil is an outside force in DnD. It's an all singing and dancing demonic hoard, with infinite spying eyes and infinite whispering voices, and someone with a mindset like Mikos is a wonderful tool.
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Jan 31, 2007 07:23
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Vorxnyx posted:To be fair, that is from a book called "The Book of Exalted Deeds" so there is some bias, I think. For example, the Complete Scoundrel would probably say something completely different. I mean, the very existence of the Gray Guard (a Paladin that CAN do evil deeds for a good cause) proves otherwise. The lie bit is not literally lying, it's can represent any act of evil in the name of good, which is evil. Hell, I think even pallys are allowed to occasionally be dishonest, depending on your code and the severity of the trickery (the gods don't withdraw their services if you tell your wife she looks great in that dress). A great deal of their ''totally rigid'' code is up to the DM's fancy and depends on who you're playing with. They don't all drink tepid water at the bar then return home to tighten their hair shirt for the excess. A better example would be if you discovered a (certianly) lethal highly infectious disease in one person of a village, and you don't have the capibility to cure it. From a logical perspective killing that person, ideally in a humane way, would be the good thing to do because it saves the village. Regardless of said logic it's still an evil act and if you performed it you'd still have to answer for the sin, and although you might be granted absolution that doesn't make it moral. Think Batman's ''there's always another way'' bit, regardless of circumstance an evil act is an evil act.
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Jan 31, 2007 14:07
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Roy is perfectly justified in being pissed off and, hey, he's not the one breaking an oath or anything, and while he can be any damned alignment he wants you could pretty much justify his actions for any alignment except maybe Neutral Evil.
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Feb 1, 2007 06:46
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tsob posted:Like I said, I'm not getting dragged into that debate, no matter how much I want, and I think the last few replies are proof enough that's a good decision. I said I wanted to avoid it, and this was followed by several posts condemning her absolutely and justifying Roy's actions on every level. More evil is done in the name of good than it is otherwise.
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Feb 1, 2007 08:14
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tsob posted:Well, aren't you a happy pappy. Well to be fair you've just spent the last few posts explaining how little you want to talk about it anyway, so maybe you two are perfect for each other 
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Feb 1, 2007 08:49
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Dammit Who? posted:No, it is specifically his own death. That's what posthumously means in this context. Posthumously just means after death. There is a resurection clause there.
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Feb 1, 2007 09:22
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Dammit Who? posted:Yes? Just pointing out it's not a death sentence, except in how it is.
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Feb 1, 2007 09:42
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Durkon will die before returning to the dwarven lands. I thought that was what I said.
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Semiru posted:The quoted comic, along with the current strip, have convinced me that Belkar is about to bite it. Miko, for all intents and purposes, has just killed a NPC. If she slaughters an entertaining and in this case, helpless PC? Well, that will really turn everyone against her.  All of the predictions will come true to the letter but rarely to the intent in some biting way. Durkon will return to the dwarven lands as a zombie. Elan will end up magically lobotomised and happily drooling as Nale kills his friends. Etc.
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Feb 1, 2007 15:49
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Oh man, home run. It's been said, but Hinjo was fighting to take her down while she was fighting to take him out. That's a pretty severe disadvantage when both fighters are using lethal weapons to begin with, but with Miko's level advantage and monk skills playing in I think Hinjo did about as well as could be expected. Roy was playing to win before, (he wouldn't stop someone from restraining and healing her to stop her from bleeding out, but I don't think he would have shed too many tears if he got a lucky crit) but stepped in nonlethaly once he had to, seeing as how Hinjo couldn't have called for help in single combat. To be fair Miko did it first.
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Feb 3, 2007 14:01
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Did anybody else just completely assume that the crown amulet was Xykon's phylactery? 'Cause I sure did. It just seems perfectly correct that the PCs would end up accidentally carrying it around, but won't realize it until after they lose it somehow. I thought the lich always regenerated near his phylachery?
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Feb 17, 2007 02:51
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Nothing about a location requirement in the 3.5 MM. It's one of those common PC conceptions that is totally untrue (and consequently really too much fun to abuse the hell out of.) So he just regenerates at an arbitrary location (with an excess of human bones)?  edit: Man, I don't know where I got my information on this stuff (it's been seven or eight years since I read the core books) but I thought the Lich's remains weren't importiant, he can ''regenerate'' from unrelated tissue? CoolCab fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 17, 2007 |
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Feb 17, 2007 02:56
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Battlestar Ferrinus posted:He's just got a generic >:D scheming face on, I don't see how you can say he looks "too devious". Easier, why bother with a decoy? What does it matter if Xykon gets blown up, the gate ritual takes a week anyway, he'll have plenty of time to regenerate. Redcloak gets to take the city and justifibly make his boss explode(alongside the tactical advantage this provides). Awesome.
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Feb 20, 2007 19:06
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Battlestar Ferrinus posted:That would also work, provided whatever rituals Xykon and Redcloak need to do don't need both of their participation from the start. How much Xykon is needed for a casting? Can't be that much, just get the skull first and you're covered up to somatic components.
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Feb 20, 2007 19:48
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SuperKlaus posted:But he can't let Xykon get fragged at the start of the battle! One of his Meteor Swarms takes out like 70 of the enemy low-level punks. Redcloak would be a fool to throw away the firepower edge his boss provides even for a big distraction. Xykon never seems to actually do anything in a fight when he has the option to send wave after wave of his own men into the fray, that's central to the villiany credo. Plus it could be risky to let him unload the heavy artillery considering what happens if some friendly fire hits the gate.
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Feb 21, 2007 06:09
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Yeah, that commander really knows how to pump out the morale bonuses. Also I can't be the only one who thought Haley was going downtown in that last panel, I did a double take before I read it.
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Feb 22, 2007 07:45
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The Werle posted:Yeah, but shouldn't she be dead instead? Do Outsiders even use their neck/spine?
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Feb 27, 2007 03:31
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Belkar would have fairly compelling grounds for a law suit against the local government if they survive.
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Mar 1, 2007 23:44
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HitTheTargets posted:On Erfworld: It seems to me he was aiming for subtext that would be present but not intrusive on the story. But he went too heavy and now it's creepy & crappy. To be fair, subtlety is a tricky thing and he only screwed up a bit, but a little goes a long way. It wouldn't be totally out there for them to be loving, would it? I don't like the comic myself, but a webcomic with lesbians and implied fetishism saints preserve us.
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Mar 4, 2007 02:57
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Fuego Fish posted:I don't really have a switch, but I do have a vast loathing for elves, which extends to dwarves and anything that basically just photocopies Tolkein and calls it "originality". Which is why I don't play D&D. Hating elves is a great reason to play D&D! One of my favorite characters was a Human supremest who was trying to gain support for his crusade to ''take back the forests''. The plan was to drive them into the seas like nature intended.
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Mar 11, 2007 00:20
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Gally posted:Sorry, but 'being more like a graphic novel' is no excuse for slow pacing and pages with no pay off. Look at Girl Genius. That really IS a graphic novel being put up one page at a time and oh look it works. Print or web, it doesnt' matter, every page should have some reason for exsisting. If you cannot write like that, put up multiple pages. But don't hang on 'ITS NOT JUST A WEB COMIC GAG A DAY' as an excuse. Plus there have been, what, thirty five odd pages thus far and what has been done? We've been introduced to a handful of characters (two of which were remotely interesting) and the guy got pulled into the world. I mean, slow pacing is fine, but there's exposition and there's two pages of elf name jokes.
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Mar 19, 2007 21:03
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Kahrytes posted:Wow, there's some horrible or extremely creepy stuff going on in Erfworld. I don't mean to harp on or appear like I'm defending Erfworld, but again, lesbians and implied fetishism in a webcomic, saints preserve us.
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Mar 25, 2007 23:55
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Cowcaster posted:Yeah, the site's been smashed again with the new comic going up. Anyone have a mirror? 
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May 8, 2007 01:47
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maltesh posted:Well, except for the last Paladin, who offed herself. I thought that was Ghasts.
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May 8, 2007 02:39
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Soonmot posted:Not that anyone really cares, but has Erfworld still not had it's Saturday update? The artist is on honeymoon and the writer got so much flak for the Klog pages he's stopped making them.
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I can't be the only one who went a little  at the baddie's last moments? That was a neat little moment there.
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