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Bought a LG 47LW5600 last week. I am not happy with it at all. The 3d is awesome, but the inconsistent panel lighting drives me mad. Any dark movie or game looks like crap on it. I am going to return it and get a Panasonic plasma. I am looking at the 50 inch st30 and gt30. The gt30 costs 200 more. Is it worth the extra money?
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JacksLibido posted:Image retention stuff... I feared IR too until I asked my friend to put his 4 year old Kuro onto the black/white wipe test pattern. Zero image retention. He played like 40 hours of Mass Effect 2 on it and other games and countless movies. He never worried once about image retention. He didn't do the insane break-in they do on AVS forum or anything. Image retention is for sure real and does happen, but unless you do something dumb and leave it paused for hours with high brightness/contrast it will be fine. I checked for IR at the store and I noticed that IR was worse on Samsung/LG than on Panasonic. Plasma's do lose brightness as well, but likely it will be so slow and progressive you wont notice it. If you do by then you will likely want a newer tv anyways. I say forget the insane break-in slides they recommend on AVS forum. Those guys are insane. Just be careful for the first 100 hours or so and just forget about IR and use it like you would with any other tv.
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Oct 13, 2011 04:50
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Thoom posted:My 47LW5600 arrived today, and I'm not sure what you mean by inconsistent panel lighting. Dark Souls looks great on it so far. The 3D feature is much cooler than I'd expected because it can magically upconvert 2D sources to 3D. This works better with some things than others (anime looks AMAZING in pseudo-3D, for 'Louie' the difference was less impressive), but it's loving astounding that it works at all. With game mode off the lag is fairly bad. With game mode on the blacks go to poo poo due to local dimming being disabled. A lose/lose situation for me. Capnbigboobies fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 19:44
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Just got my Panasonic gt30 from amazon today. So far the picture is awesome. Lightyears better than the LG 47LW5600. The set is not as bright, but in every other way its better. There is zero lag which makes me very happy. My set was made in April 2011, so it likely has the fluctuating brightness problem, but so far I have not noticed it at all. If anybody is worried about it, Panasonic will come out and replace the A-board and that will fix it. The only downside is the stupid shipping company refused to pick up the LG like they were susposed too. Now I am going to have to re-call amazon and get the LG returned. Amazon is awesome, but the large shipping companies they use for TV's are small time outfits ran by morons.
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Oct 16, 2011 03:39
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Hamburglar posted:Yeah, this is why I hope plasmas never go out of style (or AMOLED comes down in price, which ain't gonna happen any time soon). I have not had a chance to try out my snes/nes/tg16/etc yet. I am too lazy to get behind the tv and hook one up yet. About lag. I am not a "pro gamer" at all. I almost never play my 360 online and I really don't care about K/D ratios, but I did notice lag on the LG LCD I bought and returned. I have been playing games since 2004 on a HD crt so I was able to notice it. Turning on game mode pretty much got rid of all lag I could notice though. The downside to game mode on some sets is that image quality suffers. All the fancy filters and local dimming was turned off on the 47LW5600 and I bet that happens on other models as well. What really sucks is the lag varies so much between models and companies and is never formally listed anywhere. Thankfully unless you are really sensitive, most people will not notice any lag on most tv's game modes. It is one of those issues on most tv's you will have to go looking for to notice.
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Oct 16, 2011 21:36
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Well I have had my Panasonic VIERA TC-P50GT30 long enough to feel like I can say something about it. I read a LOT of poo poo on AVS forum and it got me super paranoid about this tv, but I bought it anyways. As I said before I was unhappy about my LG 47LW5600. The dudes on AVS forum seem to complain about the same stuff, here is a list and how I feel about them. This should pretty much apply to the VT30 and ST30. Buzzing: Yes this tv buzzes, but it is extremely quiet. Only with everything off and you are sitting VERY close will you hear it. Floating brightness: This is a huge deal on AVS forum and in reality its a very small issue. Pretty much sometimes you will notice the set change brightness levels to improve the picture. With some movies it is noticeable but its nothing to get bent out of shape about. Panasonic has a fix as well, you just need to call them. I will eventually get around to calling them, but for now it does not bother me. Image retention: The guys on AVS forums are pretty much retards. They are doing bizarre stuff like instead of watching the tv, they play a bunch of slides for 100 hours to "break it in evenly." Some even believe that if you watch tv instead of doing the slides you have pretty much ruined the tv and it wont work right with the "D-nice settings." They all nutt-hug some guy named D-nice. Dont listen to this dunce, just use common sense. I set my brightness and contrast around 50 and am using the tv as normal. I have played Fallout New Vegas for up to 3 hours at a time. Zero image retention. I am going to eventually increase the bightness/contrast setting, but for now I am just playing it safe. You likely dont even need to do this. Just enjoy the drat tv and ignore the spergs on AVS. In general: I have noticed that sometimes blacks can have a slight green tinge. I only really notice it close up to the tv. Other than that the picture is pretty drat good. Movies also look great at 1080p at 24hz. I am very happy with this tv.
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Oct 29, 2011 21:22
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Debrain posted:AVS forums were saying that the TV's made after August have fixed this problem. Yeah I got my tv a few weeks ago from Amazon. It was made in april. So more than likely you will still get a pre August model if you buy anytime soon.
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Oct 30, 2011 01:56
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duckfarts posted:I have a 42ST30, and while it looks awesome, I do see rainbow flashes sometimes when it shows a lot of white. It's not as bad as DLP, but it's annoying at times. Granted, when I saw most of this, I was at an angle to the screen, and I don't know of that exacerbates the problem.
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Nov 2, 2011 22:27
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So a friend of mine bought a HDMI duplexer off Amazon so he could have his projector and 50 inch plasma hooked up at the same time. Turns out the duplexer burned out his tv! A tech came out and said that the ground for his tv's hdmi port had like some crazy high amounts of voltage coming out of it. He said the duplexer is what likely trashed the tv.
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Nov 4, 2011 06:55
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Goetta posted:So this guy is coming to my house in a few days. Is it true that you can use new Plasmas normally now, as opposed to having it cycle through slides or whatever? Burn in isn't really an issue anymore, correct? Ignore AVSforum, use the tv as normal. I have used my tv (a gt30, the same generation as the tv you got) as normal from day one. The only precaution I used was setting the brightness and contrast to 50 for the first 100 hours. I played fallout new vegas for up to 3 hours at a time. No issues with image retention. Also make sure the pixel orbiter is on. I said a few pages ago burn in is real, so dont leave the tv on a static image for hours at a time. Networks with huge static images like ESPN are not a good idea either for hours at a time. If you want to be extra paranoid, avoid black bars, set brightness/contrast to 50 and make sure pixel orbiter is on. I have said it a bunch of times already in this thread. People on AVS forums are madmen. Watching a movie during the first 100 hours will not ruin your tv.
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Nov 9, 2011 02:55
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Orzo posted:Can someone help me decide between the Panasonic VIERA TC-P60 ST30 and the GT30? Both of them are on sale at Amazon and the ST30 seems like a great deal at $1400. As a non-videophile, will I really care about the difference if upgrading to the $2000 GT30? The gt30 has an extra hdmi and VGA port. The VGA port can only do 1366x768. The blacks are a little bit better. It also has a thx mode that I personally dislike. I went with the gt30 because I wanted vga. I say if none of those things matter for you get the ST30. It's a small difference in picture quality. Also I setup my a-board replacement to fix the fluctuating brightness on mine. It was easy but the part is back ordered! I will update when I get it swapped out.
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Nov 18, 2011 21:05
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Orzo posted:I read that if I get lucky and get a build manufactured with a certain serial code (translating to a date of August 2011 or later), the fluctuating brightness thing won't be an issue. So far I love the tv. It's awesome for games and movies. Zero image retention issues, no green blobs and minimal buzzing. A great plasma tv.
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Nov 18, 2011 21:39
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coolskillrex remix posted:You mean play colors on the tv for 100 hours? thats completely unnecessary. I only try to play full 16x9 material and not stuff with 2.35:1 ratios for first week or two. However, i bet thats a completely fabricated myth by loving psychos on the avs forum too, and is probably unnecessary as well.
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Nov 18, 2011 21:59
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Xenin posted:I'm in the market for a nice 32" TV to primarily play Xbox and watch Netflix on and I need some advice. I originally wanted to get the cheapest set possible, but after doing research the graphics snob in me won't allow me to look at brands other than Samsung and Panasonic. There's three different types of sets I'm looking at on amazon, and each seems to have an expensive version and a cheaper one:
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Nov 24, 2011 21:33
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Steampunk Hitler posted:~8-10ft I want to point out also with that LG that local dimming is OFF when set to game mode. So pretty much you have to deal with input lag or god awful contrast when playing games. Dark movies and games looked horrible on it. This is not the tv for a gamer that cares about picture quality. The tv is more about budget 3d with the whole family. The lg LWxx5600/6500 looks great on paper but the first time you use it in a dark room you will be disappointed. Also the measured contrast ratio in 3d mode is under like 500:1. It was a huge hassle mailing back a 47 inch tv. I don't regret for a second returning it and getting a Panasonic gt30. Edit: I don't want to poo poo on anybody that bought and enjoyed the tv. I reallly wanted to like the tv. I was so stoked when it came from amazon.. I just wanted to tell people my experience with the tv. Capnbigboobies fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Nov 27, 2011 |
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Nov 27, 2011 08:16
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Attention Panasonic VT30/GT30/ST30 owners, I got my A-board replaced. The fluctuating brightness problem is now fixed. Anybody in this thread that orders a set and it was built before August should just call Panasonic and get it replaced. The process was easy and painless.
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Dec 3, 2011 23:54
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Trickstand posted:I just picked up the LG 55LW5600 from Fry's to take advantage of the $1099 sale. Lots of positive reviews here and elsewhere. Great! Except... Your receiver should have a audio delay setting you can try that. The set for sure has lag with local dimming on and other fancy features. Try turning off smooth vision or whatever they call the 120hz setting. It makes stuff look fake anyways. It should cut the lag. I recall there being some sort of audio sync setting in the LG's menu too, but that is for when you have optical connected to a receiver I think. Also here is a bonus tip for all LG xxLW5600/6500 owners that want no lag. First step is to turn on gaming display mode. This is obvious and for most will make games perfectly playable. Some people that are really anal will still notice a bit of lag. To get rid of it, change the input you are using label to "PC" for some reason this turns off almost all post processing done by the set. The TV will then have virtually no lag. The picture will look like rear end when you do this though. You cant have lag free gaming and have local dimming on.
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Dec 10, 2011 03:46
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Trickstand posted:
Also the optical out from the tv is 2 channel only. I think almost all tvs only do only 2 channel PCM. EDIT: It looks like it has 1.4. I bet the cable box is not hdmi 1.3. I assume blurays and games are in sync as expected? Capnbigboobies fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Dec 10, 2011 |
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Dec 10, 2011 04:46
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Trickstand posted:I was afraid of that. Xbox 360 has hdmi 1.2. I never had that issue with my LW5600 and receiver, but I was running an optical from the tv to the receiver since mine does not have HDMI ports. A quick Google of your receiver comes up with the same issue with different tvs.. The restocking fee is pretty drat rough. That's why I got my TV on Amazon, free returns and no bullshit. I sent back two LW5600's to them and Amazon didn't bat an eye. I think anybody that is thinking of a LG LW5600/6500 should buy it at a place that has no restocking fees. It seems to be a love it or hate it TV.
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Dec 11, 2011 06:16
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I read somewhere else that the optical out will pass audio in the format it's received, even from HDMI sources. But knowing what a merciless bitch HDCP is that didn't sound right to me. I guess I'm confused about how most people set up their surround sound systems. I went the receiver-is-the-hub route specifically because my last HDTV (Vizio 42") optical out was only mated to the coax input.
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DoktorLoken posted:So my 46" ST30 from Amazon was shattered by their shipping monkeys. At any rate, gently caress buying a TV from Amazon Warehouse deals. It has been nothing but a pain in the rear end from the point of receiving it and finally having the idiots come get the broken one today. Ugh yeah I do agree that while Amazon is awesome, the large item shipping companies are like the worst fly-by-night companies ever.
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Dec 17, 2011 02:59
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Please no..nobody should fall for that bullshit break-in slide poo poo. It's a total crock of poo poo. I did none of that poo poo. My gt30 works great. You are only wasting your own time with the slides.
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Dec 19, 2011 05:36
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DoktorLoken posted:It might be overkill but given that many highly regarded calibration guys recommend it I can't say it's a complete waste of time. It may have little affect on image quality but IR/burn in is probably more likely when the panel hasn't been run. I would approve of it if these "highly regarded" loons on avs forum had a single shred of evidence to back it up. Also some of those guys make their living slightly changing values in service menus for money. The slides are pure snake oil and visual placebo. Really guys, your tv will not get magically better by running slides. Just watch the tv as normal and leave the brightness and contrast at modest levels. (On panasonics it's around 50-55) Virtually all of my first 100 hours of my tv was video games with static elements on the screen. Some people on avs would say I ruined my set, but guess what? Zero burn in and the set looks great. tl;dr, slides are the oxygen free cables of the plasma business. Really, gently caress avsforum. That is where the crazy go to die.
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Dec 19, 2011 19:37
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Josh Lyman posted:Where are you seeing the 5600 for $1000? We picked up one from Fry's a couple weeks ago. It's great bang for the buck, though we'll have to take it back for an exchange because of some backlight bleeding issues. To save you the trouble, all of them will have backlight bleed to some degree. The two at the store I have seen had it and so did the one I bought and returned. Its a flaw of edge lit sets. They have blooming, light bleed and flashlighthing. I dont want to be annoying, but I have been bagging on this tv for the past 10 pages or so. I read the amazon reviews and jumped right on it and a few days later shipped it back. I agree with Trickstand's feeling on the tv. DoktorLoken is right the ST30/GT30/VT30 are great tv's. The only issue really is the changing brightness levels which Panasonic will fix for free.
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Dec 23, 2011 09:25
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Josh Lyman posted:Are you referring to LED edge lit? We previously had a the 47LK520 which is CCFL backlit and it had zero, and I mean ZERO backlight bleeding.
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Dec 23, 2011 22:20
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Kilometers Davis posted:
100 hour slide prep is for madmen and spergs. Check out the last 5-10 pages. I know this is a huge thread, but this seems to come up almost on every page.
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Dec 23, 2011 22:23
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Vaytan posted:Just make sure you get a newer build ! Anything after June or July has the new board in it. Dont even worry about trying to get a November or newer tv. The "fluctuating" brightness issue is fixed for free by Panasonic. Takes a tv tech like 15 minutes to replace. The issue is blown of out proportion by avsforum.
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Dec 24, 2011 02:04
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Kilometers Davis posted:Reposting this. I now have an ST30 but honestly I'm not sure if I'm going to keep it. I really don't think plasma is for someone like me. My tv is usually on for 80% of the day and I'm constantly worried about burn in. Between my girlfriend and I we game around 6-7 hours a day. Falling asleep with Netflix menus on the screen happens often too. And sports. I can't imagine even the "safest" plasmas can put up with this for long. The worst part is how ESPN and a few other channels never have their logo/ticker go off the screen, even on the commercials. I have seen at stores the ESPN logo burned into the screen permanently. I dont give two shits about that channel so its not an issue for me. For people that do the same thing for 12 hours a day, yes plasmas are a bad choice. I have put 100+ hours now of gaming on my GT30 and have zero image retention. Then again I dont game for 8 hours straight either. The less you worry about image retention/burn in the less of an issue it actually is for normal use. If you are a sports fanatic that leaves it on ESPN for 24/7 then dont get a plasma. For people that watch a mix of games, movies and tv do not have to worry about image retention. Passing out with the tv on isnt an issue either. My Panasonic will turn off after 3 hours of inactivity anyways. Also most dvd players and other devices have screen savers that kick in when idle as well. Capnbigboobies fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Dec 27, 2011 |
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Dec 27, 2011 08:40
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Vaytan posted:You will never have burn in on newer plasmas. You might have Image Retention for a little , but that will go away fast. Just make sure pixel wobble is on. I have had mine for a few weeks now and seen a little IR here and there but it never lasts long. No, burn in is still possible under extreme circumstances. I have seen floor models sit for months with varying content displayed on them, but still have the ESPN logo burned in. This happened on all brands. (LG, Samsung, Panasonic) If you have phosphors (like all plasma tv's do) there is a possibility for burn in. The reality is the vast majority of people (like you) will never have a single problem because you dont leave the ESPN logo on for 12 hours a day, every day. I would like to also point out that image retention and "burn in" are two different things. Image retention is temporary and will go away. Burn in is permanent. tl;dr: dont worry about burn-in. Enjoy your tv and use it as normal.
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Dec 28, 2011 02:19
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ScumTricycle posted:Any major issues I should consider when deciding between the Panasonic P60ST30 and the LG 60PV450? The price is pretty similar at the moment. The LG is cooler looking and the Panasonic has a more "true" picture? In my opinion the ST30 has a way better picture and darker blacks. Also from what I have seen in person and have read in reviews the LG gets image retention very quickly. You will be able to notice static images that have been on the screen retained even after a few minutes. They do go away and they are not permanent, but this does not really happen on the ST/GT/VT30 line of plasma's. I feel like the LG is way more likely to get burn-in. Also if it matters, I am pretty sure the LG is not 3d while the ST30 is. Really they are not even in the same class of tv's. The Samsung plasma sets compare much better to the Panasonic's. Also note if you get a Panasonic you are likely to have one that has the "fluctuating brightness" issue. Dont let that turn you off from the TV, Panasonic fixes it for free at your home. It takes a tech like 20 minutes to fix it. I like this review site, http://www.televisioninfo.com . They have a review on the LG, take a look.
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Jan 1, 2012 23:32
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The Gunslinger posted:Thanks, that's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Edit: after 50-100 hours just set it how you want.
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Jan 6, 2012 20:02
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JacksLibido posted:Looking to get a Panasonic 55vt30 and am wondering what kind of warranty I should get for it. I definitely am going to get something, I just had my Sony die on me 13 months after purchase, but I'm not sure what kind of warranty to get. I've used my Best Buy warranty in the past on my Xbox and have nothing but good things to say about them, but they're not negotiating enough on the price. I'm seeing a lot of "mack camera" warranties at different retailers but all I can find are horrible reviews online, though they have an A+ rating from the BBB. Would I be best off just buying an extended warranty through the manufacturer? Would that be about the same quality as a Mac or bestbuy warranty?
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Jan 8, 2012 10:22
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Jaaam posted:Cheers, that's good to know, I'm not really able to play during daylight hours anyway. I've just about decided to get this Panasonic, but I'd love to hear any other recommendations anyone has.
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Jan 12, 2012 21:22
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Jimlad posted:So I got my new Panasonic P50GT30 and the screen is absolutely amazing. I'm really pleased with the buy, but I've noticed that during some scenes the brightness levels visibly shift slightly up and down. It's especially noticeable on the darker areas of the screen. Is this the dreaded fluctuating brightness problem? Is there a known solution? Do it sooner rather than later because the part may be back ordered as was in my case. After a tech fixed mine it has been flawless. I have not seen the brightness shift once since it was done.
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Smuckles posted:While waiting for my ST30 to arrive, I noticed that the Panasonic 3D glasses are terribly expensive. Even the supposedly cheaper 3rd Gen models sell for over $150 on Amazon. Does anyone even bother? 3D isn't a huge factor for me, but it would be nice to have the option. There is a generic pair on amazon that is under 60 dollars that works fine. I own two pairs.
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