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TITTIEKISSER69
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I bought the 46" 60Hz Apex LCD TV from Target on Black Friday. Since then I've been feeling a bit of buyer's remorse as it's not as sharp as I hoped (I expected that, but it's worse than I anticipated). Especially in terms of motion blur, I like to watch lots of hockey, and occasional football and basketball and it's very noticeable. For the record, I'm using component as I haven't been arsed to order an HDMI cable yet.

I just got an email from TigerDirect mentioning a 42" RCA 240Hz LCD for about the same price, will this look better and is it worth the investment? I can still return the Apex, or sell it if I was so inclined.

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LtStorm posted:

Now, I know Insignia probably isn't a great brand, and I figured it'd have horrible reviews, lots of people complaining about it having a horrible panel, etc. Instead, I found a bunch of great reviews, and only one or two bad reviews mostly from people that got DOA TVs out of a hundred or so on various websites. The Best Buy website lists it for $899.99, and that's down from $1399.99, but in-store it's $749.99. Does anyone know anything about this TV? Is there a catch? Is it a great deal that's been overlooked? I'm skeptical, as the only other cheap LED-LCD HDTV I saw was a Westinghouse brand that had a ton of people complaining about glitches in its panel and issues with the backlighting in reviews.

The only thing I know about Insignia is that it's Best Buy's house brand that gets a 2-year warranty (whereas Dynex only gets 1).

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If anyone's in Chicago, the Micro Center on Elston Ave has a 42" LCD, 1080p, 120Hz regular $499 but for the past week it's been on sale at $449. I returned my 46" Apex (from Black Friday) to Target for this one and am perfectly happy with it. When I called Micro Center this weekend they had over 30 in stock.

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Tell me about speaker bars.

I handed down my 32" Westinghouse to my parents after Black Friday, and for Christmas they got a Blu-Ray player.

Watching movies on it, they have to turn the volume up to the point where loud stuff distorts the TV's own crappy speakers.

How does a speaker bar get connected - does the TV plug into it? Does it have its own remote, or will the TV volume control it? Does it have an amp or receiver?

Basically just looking for the simplest (in terms of use) option for better sound.

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What is the smallest 37" HDTV, including the bezel?

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devmd01 posted:

That's an...odd requirement. Could you be more specific? I think the Sony monolithic design bezels are the thinnest, but there are some Sharps that have a super thin bezel as well. It would be easiest to just go to your local big box with a measuring tape, they should have all the similar sizes clustered together.

My parents have a cabinet with a 32" LCD with room to spare, just seeing if a 37" will fit. I think the cabinet is 36" across, but I'll double-check. Hope it's more!

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Mega GIRL posted:

Sorry if this is a huge noob question. I've tried looking for posts with a similar problem but to no avail. My brother and I got a 42" LCD Hanspree tv for my mom for xmas and I just hooked it up for her yesterday. The picture was fairly normal just a weak signal from an old cable. Today the picture looks green. I guess I feel kinda stupid because think I've noticed this same green color on other HDTVs on display when I've gone into retail stores in the past. Here are some pics:





I've tried going back to the default picture settings but I'm starting to dread that the red signal is hosed. Did I overlook some easy solution or is it time to return it?

What kind of cable(s) are you using?

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Could be the glare from Sean Connery's head.

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Unless I'm mistaken, LED tends to be the thinnest. LED is a form of LCD and can be edge-lit or back-lit, apparently the latter is nicer. However LED tends to cost more as it is nicer and still newish.

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Drunk Tomato posted:

What do y'all think about this TV? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889237019

I have this TV and like it very much. I picked it up at my local Micro Center, $493 out the door after Chicago's tax. I do have a little backlight bleed in the top corners, aside from that it's a fine set.

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As I recall, both Dynex and Insignia are Best Buy house brands, and Dynex gets 1-year warranties while Insignia gets 2-year warranties. So there's that.

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And Blu-Ray playback, right?

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If your TV doesn't have 120 or 240Hz capability, you're stuck with Blu-Ray judder at 60Hz.

The 600Hz part of plasma TVs is something called sub-field drive that they all need to work properly anyway, it's just been misappropriated by marketing and has nothing at all to do with judder or even display quality.

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drwprtcht posted:

I hope it's not out of line in this thread, but can anyone tell me about possibly repairing my 42" Vizio? A whole row of pixels just up and died all of a sudden. I don't think there's a warranty. I've only had it 8 months...I guess you get what you pay for with these things (although I can't complain since I got it as a gift.)

If it's less than a year old you should have some of the manufacturer's warranty left.

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Just wanted to pass along that Sears has two 40" Sony LED TVs for $799:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771736000P
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05771748000P

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6-8 feet away from a 32" tv will be underwhelming. 37" should be your bare minimum, I sit about 8 feet from my 42" and I wouldn't mind a larger screen.

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2011 Black Friday/Cyber Monday HDTV roundup

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What happened to 37" TVs? I don't see any yet in the Black Friday specials. Are they going extinct?

I'm hoping to find a 37" unit, 120Hz if it's an LCD. I've found this for $598 :(

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ManiacClown posted:

My sister is looking at buying an HDTV, probably on Black Friday, and I need to get some advice for her. What I've told her is that she should get an LCD or LED and give plasma a pass. However, what I can't really advise her on is which make/model of TV in the 42-47" range will be right for her. She wants something to mount on her living room wall and her living room is fairly wide and a little deeper than average. The walls are dark as is the lighting in general, so brightness is an issue, hence my LED recommendation. She'll get at least some glare from the light fixture that's directly over the only wall she can mount it on. She's thinking a Samsung would be good and the ones I've seen do seem pretty nice. However, I haven't exactly shopped for HDTVs myself.

The other thing I needed to ask was what sort of salesman's bullshit I should tell her to be on the lookout for and how exactly to call them on it. I know the allegedly-fancy special 3D (or whatever other frills they purport to have) HDMI cables are bullshit because it's all a digital signal and the data's either there or it's not. What else should she be on guard for the salesman trying to pull? I've already advised her to buy any sort of cable online and that the monster brand is a complete sham. She'll likely be shopping at Best Buy or perhaps Sam's Club.

If your sister is going to do the Black Friday thing, salespeople don't even bother with pitching one TV over another. Also, check this out: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3448361

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Pretty much all TV speakers suck these days as the sets are too thin to house good speakers. This unit was linked to me when I asked almost a year ago, thinking about it for my parents this year:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5279677&CatId=4597

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Cross-posting with the BF HDTV thread:

I'm looking to buy a TV online, same price at Wal-Mart and at TigerDirect. In both cases it's a refurb, which I'm okay with.

At TD, I can buy a SquareTrade warranty: 1 year for $57 or 2 years for $86
At WM, I can buy a WM Service Plan: 2 years for $35, or 3 years for $45.

I know people like to swear by SquareTrade, so I'm wondering if the Wal-Mart warranties are legit and worthwhile. Any knowledge or experience with them?

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TheAngryDrunk posted:

A long time I go I remember readings something about how a 40" tv would be better than 42" tv (all else being equal). It had something to do with the aspect ratios and how 42" isn't "natural." Am I misremembering this or is this a real thing? I can't seem to find much about it online, so I might be wrong.

The aspect ratio is consistent at 16:9. The only difference that comes with size is that the bigger the screen, the bigger the pixels - there are still 1920x1080 of them whether it's a 42" or a 72" screen.

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Yolkz posted:

Can someone help me find a HDTV under $200 I have a few bids on the Dynex 24" from the bestbuy black friday deal. I'm buying one for my girlfriend for Christmas and we have a $200 limit. Id prefer to find one I can buy outright at or under $200 instead of bidding on one and potentially not having one here until Christmas is over. She has a 13 inch tube tv in her room so I don't need something super fancy just one that looks good preferably 1080 but Ill take a look at 720 ones as well. Thanks in advance.

Are you located in Chicago? I'll be selling this soon, I just need to get a replacement stand.

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Yolkz posted:

I'm in Mchenry County, how much you want for it?

Probably $175. Although if you're coming into town you might look at picking up this.

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Sounds like your buddy's TV had the 120Hz or 240HZ feature turned on, probably called something like TruMotion. Turning it off eliminates that soap opera effect. It's good for eliminating blur during fast motion at live events (e.g. sports) and eliminating judder during Blu-Ray playback.

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Any thoughts on this? 50" 720p Zenith plasma for $499 at Sears:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775851000P

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Dynex and Insignia are Best Buy house brands, Dynex units have a 1 year warranty while Insignia gets 2 year warranties.

For what it's worth I've been content with my Hannspree 42" TV. Still, I'd be willing to give more familiar names like RCA a shot, maybe read some testimonials on them first to get a sense of how they're doing.

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Trickstand posted:

Does anyone here actually use the motion smoothing tech on their TVs (TruMotion, Clear Motion, etc.)?

Seems most turn it off, but I actually like to leave it on at a lower level. On my LG, though, I noticed that when watching networks with a transparent logo at the bottom right corner of the screen (ABC, Bravo, etc.), the graphic would tweak out and scramble when an object 'passed behind' while TruMotion was enabled. I don't know if this is a shortcoming of LG's tech or if it's simply inherent to the frame-interpolation process.

Anyone have any experience with this one way or the other?

I leave mine on low, enough to alleviate the blur of quick motion during football and hockey, the tradeoff is that the ball or puck seems to ghost when moving.

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Otik posted:

Argh! Was going to get a Samsung 37" D585 for a great price, but due to communication problems it didn't end up happening and it's not available any more.

We don't really have space for 40" and 32" seems so small. Why is it so difficult to find something between 32 and 40 inches?

If anyone has great ideas about what to look for for 400-500€ for gaming and movies I'd appreciate suggestions.

To be honest, I've been kind of set on Samsung, but who else is good in that price range at that size?

The 37" TV seems to be going extinct. I managed to snag one for my parents (to fit their cabinet) that was an open box return. The ones you can find in mainstream retail are usually way overpriced.

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I'm guessing because 40" and 42" sets became affordable, so 37" sets became less relevant and the panel makers went in the direction of greatest demand.

I expect you could hardly go wrong getting a Samsung, however I don't expect great things from any 32" set.

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Maddot_66 posted:

Has anyone had any experience with Element brand tvs?
I was looking for something that was a fair balance of quality/price in the 50 inch range and I noted this.
I've been combing the reviews on tiger direct, newegg, and some other weird places but I've seen such a mix of reviews between "great value!" and, "broke completely after 6 months.".
I figured I'd see if any goons have ever had any experience with this brand since I myself have never really heard of them.

No experience here, but isn't that Wal-Mart's house brand?

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Element is Wal-Mart's house brand. Sceptre has been around for a while and is an OK off-brand. Still, can't go wrong with a Sony I'd imagine.

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So I got my parents a 37" Vizio for Christmas, and Smooth Motion is being a pain in the rear end. Sometimes we can see its effect even when it's turned off. I can disable it by toggling Fast Response on or off, or by resetting Picture to defaults. But it seems to randomly come on again depending on what we're watching. It made a DVD of an old black and white movie look like it was shot on video instead of film.

I chatted with Vizio support and they said it has to do with the 120Hz refresh rate of the TV :psyduck:

Vizio support posted:

Lyle: Thank you for contacting VIZIO Live Chat, the home of Entertainment Freedom for All.  This is Lyle in South Dakota. Have you ever contacted us before?
 Lovie: Nope, first time.
 Lyle: I understand that the TV you got for your parents is showing smooth motion even when turned off?
 Lovie: that's correct.
 Lyle: OK. So does the picture look very soap opera like?
 Lovie: Exactly, yes.
 Lyle: Here at VIZIO we pride ourselves in providing best in class customer support and all of our support is U.S. based, and I can assist you with that. The reason that the picture looks like that is due to the 120Hz refresh rate of the TV.
 Lovie: is there any way to keep this effect under better control?
 Lyle: Kind of the best thing is to actually have the smooth motion on but there is no way completely around it.
 Lovie: strange that I am able to turn it off temporarily.
 Lyle: It's a weird thing it has to do with the refresh rate and the broadcast
 Lovie: I have a different make of TV myself, 120Hz refresh rate and I can turn its smooth motion on or off. When it's off it stays off.
 Lovie: this really seems like a firmware bug to me.
 Lyle: I know it can seem that way but it's not; not all TVs are effected by this I've noticed some 120 Hz in Wal*mart have this problem and others do not.
 Lovie: okay, thank you for your time.
 Lyle: Thank you for contacting VIZIO Chat Support!  If you need our assistance again in the future you can contact us by Chat, Email, and Phone service.  That information is found on  http://www.vizio.com. a great day!
 Lyle has disconnected.

Am I wrong to suspect he was bullshitting me?

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Don Lapre posted:

It is certainly possible you cannot fully disable smooth motion.

Well that's discouraging. On my TV (not a Vizio) if I turn it off, it stays off.

Don Lapre posted:

It has nothing to do with 120hz.

Maybe I need clarification then? My understanding was that the TV is really at 60Hz, and SmoothMotion/TruMotion/VividMotion/etc. simulate the effect of 120Hz?

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Yeah, I like it on my Hannspree for sports to smooth out the fast motion blur. I also like that if I turn it off it stays off. I have yet to try it with a Blu-Ray.

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r.y.f.s.o. posted:

I'm cheap and looking at the Vizio E371VA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1875200&CatId=3649

120hz interests me, but this review:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Vizio-M320VT-LED-LCD-HDTV-Review/Motion.htm

says that 3:2 pulldown performance was lackluster, which confuses me a bit since 120hz are supposed to avoid the whole 3:2 pulldown problem altogether I thought?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

I got that unit for my parents and I wish I had gotten them the E370VA instead, without the 120Hz feature. Read my posts about it starting here. There's no way to completely disable the effect, so it makes a lot of things look bad.

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Groupon Goods has a special today: 60" 3D LG plasma for $1299:

http://www.groupon.com/ch/goods/deals/gg-plasma-tv?c=all?p=15

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Pan Ache posted:

So with my old CRT kicking the bucket I've got two options in purchasing a new TV. I can either buy a smaller tv and continue to use my old tv hutch (about 30"x 30"). Or I can purchase a larger HDTV and a new piece of furniture along with it.

Other than general suggestions for a monitor that could fit my old cabinet, I also wanted to make sure that I was measuring modern monitors correctly. Are modern HDTVs still measured corner-to-corner or have manufacturers begun to measure them in horizontal width? Amazon keeps listing horizontal dimensions relative to their stated size (i.e. 39.1" for a "42-inch"). I assume width to diagonal ratio is closer to even on the rectangular monitor but I just want to make sure I'm measuring properly for the space available.

They're measured by the diagonal, but often when you look up the specs of a given model you'll find the width and height too.

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XboxPants posted:

Fixed up an old PC for my uncle, he has a monitor, too, but no VGA cable. Somehow I don't have any spares, either. At this point I've used 'em all! :haw: He's got no money so I'm looking for the ULTRA cheapest one I can get online. eBay seems like a good choice.

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Weezy88 posted:

Weird question, but does anyone have a source to get TV parts like the plastic pieces? I have a 42" LG LK450 and everything is perfect except for the front bezel having some scratches. I'd like to get a replacement front bezel but I can't seem to find a place that sells these parts, only the electronics, stands, or remotes.

I'm missing the stand for my old Westinghouse 32" and I emailed Westinghouse, they replied back with a phone number for their spare parts department. So you might try contacting the manufacturer.

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