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Solice Kirsk posted:The intent is he's drawing full page naked kid asses every chance he gets. It's loving weird. This is what happens from too many years of pretending Ryuto Matoi is a good character and not an excuse to look at titties and rear end.
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There is also literally no reason Miura couldn't draw this masterpiece featuring an adult character which makes it even worse btw
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Nov 13, 2019 15:51
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I don't see why he gets any sort of pass after his last side gig involved "YOUNG LADY, I NEED YOUR PISS TO WIN!!!!!" Berserk is fine. I'm not interested in anything else he dishes out because I don't trust him not to be seriously creepy about it.
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Nov 13, 2019 15:54
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That's a really presumptuous and kinda thing to say three chapters into a manga about a child of Gods growing up and discovering the world but okay. It should be pretty obvious why that story would involve children. Usum questioning whether their body will prevent them from interacting and existing with the people they care about is a totally relevant topic of discussion in 2019 I'm not going to say that there couldn't be less kid butts, that could absolutely be toned a bit, but I'm absolutely baffled by people in this thread who have been reading Berserk for decades at this point can't bring any benefit of the doubt for Miura, instantly calling him a pedophile and will probably go back to talking about how great he is when the next Berserk chapter drops I'll come back and admit freely if I was wrong and Duranki gets creepy, but everyone suddenly calling for discussion of it to be stopped comes off as super reactionary and weird to me Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 15:56
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bob human being posted:I've heard this many times and not argued in an attempt to agree and I never have. So you have a taboo and you're uncomfortable with nudity. That's fair. bob human being posted:It has the exact same tone as "negima's crush forgets to wear panties during a fight with the bad guy" This however is really weird. Negima and other harem series like it are sexual fantasies for the reader where the protagonist is by design the most generic, milquetoast empty vessel so that the reader can project themselves on him. Duranki's protagonist is not that and as I said, the sexual tone that the series has is about the exploration of sexual identity, not about finding as many sex partners as possible.
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Nov 13, 2019 15:57
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Duranki is really good, and I’m more convinced Ruflux is the creep here. Or maybe he’s just an American prude.
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Laputanmachine posted:So you have a taboo and you're uncomfortable with nudity. That's fair. It's a hard point to argue. Best I can come up with is the "tee-hee" aspect of it. Frankly if you indulge me on that point you seem eloquent enough to finish my train of thought and I'd be grateful.
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Nov 13, 2019 15:59
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It's super easy, actually. Berserk, it has been noted, started off super grimdark and uncomfortable as hell at times to read. It got gruesome, it got gross, but the plot eventually does reach a point where Guts starts to regain his humanity, and overall the poo poo you saw in Lost Children is never approached again. Through the passage of time, an argument could have been made that Miura wanted to distance himself from the early days of Berserk. Then he got some side projects and very loudly showcased that nah, he's still loving weird as hell and maybe it's an editor or someone else who told him to chill with the weird kid stuff. Maybe his new project has some important stuff to say. I won't suggest otherwise, as it's still got story left to tell and it's not like Miura can't make a solid point out of a weird story. The issue is super simple though: stop it with kids, give them some goddamn clothes, and please for the love of god just don't toe some gross line just because you can. That's not being irrational in 2019, I don't think.
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Nov 13, 2019 16:03
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The end of the latest chapter has a scene where a naked kid thinks to himself, and I'm paraphrasing since there was no thought bubble, "this naked androgynous kid makes me feel funny!" That's where I fall off the wagon. E: like, I'm more okay with nudity (and especially hit springs!) Than most Americans, I would think. But come on. Rodenthar Drothman fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 16:06
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I'd wager the reaction to Duranki comes mainly from two places. One is how nudity is a quite strong taboo in many western cultures and is usually automatically linked to sexual intercourse. The other is the amount of fanservice almost every popular shonen manga and anime has. Combine these two and it's very easy to have an knee-jerk reaction to any nudity in manga or anime, no matter the context. Edit: changed the first sentence a bit for emphasis. Laputanmachine fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 16:07
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so far duranki has had zero depictions of children being sexually assaulted, which cannot be said of berserk
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Nov 13, 2019 16:10
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Billzasilver posted:Duranki is really good, and I’m more convinced Ruflux is the creep here. Or maybe he’s just an American prude. Ah yes, the notorious American prudish notion of "don't make a manga with pages full of naked kids" How the gently caress are you people still arguing this point like it's some controversial notion and why did I even bother to bring it up FWIW I always thought Lost Children was offputting as gently caress too but I think it was probably the point. Duranki is so far offputting because... Usum needs to be naked for the story? I really don't see it. I really, really do not see any reason why it's justifiable here. It's like Gigantomachia which also was offputting because of reasons that definitely had nothing to do with Miura being a weirdo, but let's just ignore that because it's inconvenient for the argument.
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Nov 13, 2019 16:12
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I don't think I'm knee jerk reacting at all. That last chapter is loving gross and your head is up your rear end if you can't read the undertones it's pushing out.
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Laputanmachine posted:I'd wager the reaction to Duranki comes mainly from two places. One is how nudity is a quite strong taboo in many western cultures and is usually automatically linked to sex. The other is the amount of fanservice almost every popular shonen manga and anime has. Combine these two and it's very easy to have an knee-jerk reaction to any nudity in manga or anime, no matter the context. Maybe we're arguing the same thing from different perspectives, or vice versa. It's a shame I already made the comparison to negima, but since it's out of the bag it's something to work with. I agree entirely that this isn't portrayed the same as ecchi manga number 107. Nontheless, at least a few of us have a problem with it. idk something something "vibe" We can get to the answer somehow. The current question is if the author is assuming the reader is okay with it already, or is that what hes trying to get us to "accept"? Considering this is the "death rape evil hell world" guy provides to the equation. edit: its certainly to his credit as an artist that we've got so many posts in a day on a dying forum about his work. Also lets face the facts(and NOT link any examples) that there is an abundance of pedophilac anime porn out there and while I normally try not to talk for anyone else we all agree its disgusting. At the risk of online alienation I'll ask: does this teter on the side of 8 bit naked ness wandering through dreamland or the other thing that even I'M not brave enough to type out? double edit: Yknow what? the otherthing is "shotacon" and none of us are into it. If you happen to be, keep it to yourself until you hire a therapist and seek help. just bob fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 16:13
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On one hand, I believe that narrating the story of a Child of God is valid. On the other hand, there's no need to draw so much underage butt. Please Murata stop being creepy or I just can not support you.
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Nov 13, 2019 16:46
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Is this like his protest of that law they were trying to pass to stop artists from depicting naked kids, particularly in sexual situations? Because it'd stop him from doing stuff like Guts' backstory?
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Nov 13, 2019 17:00
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Face fulla Pan dick
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Expect My Mom posted:That's a really presumptuous and kinda thing to say three chapters into a manga about a child Do you see how hosed this is?
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Nov 13, 2019 17:21
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Alright lets see what everyone thinks with worse art and less pages:
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i feel that the series constantly being on hiatus has allowed people to forget just how absurdly creepy berserk is. berserk has guts's backstory, the lost children, a few scenes with schierke including a lovely throwaway joke about her getting molested by tentacles, and like everything having to do with the merrow girl. but we're still able to discuss the manga because we are adults and we can have a discussion without allowing the creepy stuff to dominate the conversation. like, i'm not exactly happy with duranki either but calling for a complete ban on discussing any aspect of what miura is currently working on feels like an overreaction to me. and maybe i shouldn't, but i generally trust my fellow posters to not be creepy, especially in this thread which managed to make it through gigantomakhia unscathed i do get where you're coming from though, solice kirsk. i really value this thread because it's the only place on the internet you can really trust people not to be creepy about berserk, and if it got shut down i don't think i'd look elsewhere to discuss it.
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Duranki is creepy, and any charitable read of it honestly goes out the window in light of Miura's track record when it comes to being creepy. It's a shame though, because the basic concept isn't bad and more non-binary protagonists would be cool in general. Just not like this.
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Nov 13, 2019 18:53
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have y’all never seen a painting of cherubs before
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Nov 13, 2019 19:20
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Drew some fanart.
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Clean ya nasty rear end nails
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bob human being posted:Drew some fanart. Gross loving nails.
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Yeah I'll cut em, even tho they're a solid edge to my underground cage fighting game.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:12
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i ain't gonna read a male power fantasy with a sword that tiny
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U-DO Burger posted:i ain't gonna read a male power fantasy with a sword that tiny And you're right not to. This aint you grand mamas story soaps this is a MANS comic. I present a  alternative art.This could have been better but I got burnt out from trying 3 times to do it with better angles and perspective and honestly your post gave me enough of a second wind to jet this out. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) e: No porn, please. Somebody fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Nov 14, 2019 |
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Augus posted:have y’all never seen a painting of cherubs before Or like, any chapter with Puck
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Augus posted:have y’all never seen a painting of cherubs before Billzasilver posted:Or like, any chapter with Puck None of these are remotely the same and all of you know it. I still think it should have it's own thread since it has nothing at all to do with Berserk besides being penned by the same dude. And I'm starting to think the reason no one is starting it is because you know it will get shut down almost instantly instead of being hidden in one of the slowest moving threads on the forum.
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I am weirded out by people who feel strongly enough about child nudity in media to defend that nudity. Like whether or not you SHOULD be allowed to draw naked kids is I guess a philosophical discussion you can have. But why would you? What are we losing by NOT having naked kids? Ideally nudity in media wouldn't be inherently sexualized but that's what happens in modern America and I'm assuming Japan as well?
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Nov 13, 2019 23:10
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I for one fell prey to the 60-posts ploy. Darn there's not a new chapter.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I am weirded out by people who feel strongly enough about child nudity in media to defend that nudity. Like whether or not you SHOULD be allowed to draw naked kids is I guess a philosophical discussion you can have. But why would you? What are we losing by NOT having naked kids? that's not what's going on here. no one is saying it's good. what we have here is a discussion about whether the presence of child nudity means that any discussion about any aspect of this miniseries should be banned. in a thread about a manga from the same author that occasionally features child nudity. the criticisms being leveled at duranki feel weird to me, not because they aren't valid, but because i think the child objectification is worse in both berserk and gigantomakhia and those didn't generate a reaction this forceful.
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Solice Kirsk posted:None of these are remotely the same and all of you know it. I mean it’s no more sexualized and the character designs of Duranki draw very direct influence from art of cherubs  (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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How about we don't talk about it because this is the berserk thread and not the duranki thread. Also because its turning into a bunch of arguments, but mostly because its not Berserk, and has no ties that I'm aware of beyond being by the same author(Thought I have not read it).
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U-DO Burger posted:that's not what's going on here. no one is saying it's good. what we have here is a discussion about whether the presence of child nudity means that any discussion about any aspect of this miniseries should be banned. in a thread about a manga from the same author that occasionally features child nudity. the criticisms being leveled at duranki feel weird to me, not because they aren't valid, but because i think the child objectification is worse in both berserk and gigantomakhia and those didn't generate a reaction this forceful. I don't know what gigantomakhia is, but the creepy pedo stuff in Berserk wasn't being presented as adorable and cutsey and I don't hear anyone coming out of the woodwork to defend it or try to compare it to classical Greek artwork. The naked kid comic book is gross because it's very obviously being drawn to sexualize a little kid and present it as cute and fun. I can't believe I'm having to explain this to be honest. Like, I'm totally flabbergasted that my request to give the drat thing it's own thread is too big of an ask. That way everyone that wants to read the gross disgusting thing and post about how "not good" it is can and still leave it out of this thread that is about different gross disgusting things.
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i'm willing to listen to someone making an argument that miura should be canceled for his general body of work, but my mind boggles at folks trying to draw a line of acceptability between berserk, and gigantomachia and duranki even setting aside the literal scenes of child rape and child murder, and general sexual violence against female characters, the weird poo poo surrounding schierke and guts is super grody. is this stuff that just got buried in the memory hole, or are people of the opinion that those aspects of the series are cool and the stuff that pops up in muira's other works are inexplicable aberrations?
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I think its more in the "i bought a shrink wrapped copy of volume 1 in high school because reading something for mature audience only would really stick it to mom and dad but they didn't care and i've been trying to prove something to them for the past 15 years" category. ...that so specific its probably just me.
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I 100% memory holed most of the bad stuff, I do that often. I do think that it's not crazy to say both 1: this manga with a gender NB protag could have something important to say, and it's good that we have a manga by a big name with a NB protag 2: let's try to tone down the skeevy poo poo wrt kids Like, I'm not one of the people arguing that Miura is canceled and we shall never speak of this again. Buuut as the person I am now if I re-read stuff I'd read a long time ago and now don't remember I might really not like what I see.
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