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Remora
Aug 15, 2010

All right. New stupid rabbit owner post asking for advice about a possibly bad idea.

I know about bonded pairs, but how bad of an idea is it to have *three* rabbits? I have one, and may be rescuing two from a woman who has no idea what she's doing. We have the money and space - if we rescue these two, we will be redoing a corner of the basement to give all three a total of eighty-odd square feet (yeah, it's a basement, but my thermometer and set of asthmatic lungs tell me it is neither cold nor humid nor moldy).

I've never bonded a rabbit, the woman ditching the rabbits doesn't know whether they're bonded, and I have no idea what kind of rabbit social dynamics arise from three rabbits (especially if two are bonded). She says they live together in a cage, which I assume means they at least ignore each other (or she's a sociopath who likes watching small animals fight for her amusement - never met the woman, don't know). I would not be letting my bunny and the two bunnies be together alone for some time, particularly since all rabbits involved are currently unaltered (I know, I know - I just got mine and he's only three months old, he is going to the exotics vet for his first checkup soon, and I will do whatever the hell she tells me).

I also don't know if rabbits of different sizes play well together. She doesn't know breeds, but says one is white and about 4lbs and the other is brown and about 6lbs. Mine is a dwarf, I don't think he's any bigger than 3lbs.

If this is a bad idea, am I right in thinking that the correct move is to rescue the rabbits and surrender them to the HRS? The southern Indiana/Kentucky chapter is not a terrible drive, I don't mind playing chauffeur. Or should I just call them and let them know?

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Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I've been looking into getting another rabbit to bond with my dwarf (who, apparently, is defective because he doesn't bite and only destroys cardboard boxes and only pees in his litterbox), and I know someone who is looking to rehome a one-year-old giant chinchilla. Is this a bad idea? Am I asking for trouble trying to keep a 10-pound and a 2.5-pound pair? Should I bother trying the rabbit+chinchilla thing at all? The chinchilla does need to be spayed (the dwarf is neutered), but I have the space to keep them separated for the foreseeable future.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Is there a particular reason rabbits chew on certain things and not others? My dwarf is really not much of a chewer, just cardboard and the occasional nibble of paper, but for some reason he is obsessed with one of my housemates' shoes. Nobody else's shoes. Just hers.

I'm working on disrupting it, but if there's some nugget of bunny knowledge about why/how they pick certain objects to chew on, it would help. He chews on things that are in his way, like if I move something into one of his favored paths around he'll chew and dig the crap out of it until it's moved, but he literally drags her shoes across the room for the express purpose of chewing on them under the coffee table. :psyduck:

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

angelicism posted:

Yeah, my apartment has turned into a cardboard box explosion. Need to figure out if I can figure out something more fort-like for mine.

We got a Maze Haven for Tobias for Christmas after we got tired of tripping over cardboard box forts. It's really well designed, actually, and using one "room" as a feeder is a great way to keep hay dust down.

Yeah, I know, I paid $30 for cardboard. At least the rabbit approves of it.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

When I first started keeping Tobias in my bedroom, he used to jump on my head at least once a night, so... could be worse.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

happyflurple posted:

Just discovered I can't eat a packet of crisps without her going mental, either. Sticks her head in my face, in the packet, I offer her a crisp, she turns her nose up at it and then...keeps shoving her face in the pack.

Do you give her treats/food from a crackly bag? Tobias does this and it's because he hears the cellophane crackle and thinks he's getting a banana chip (I think).

Remora
Aug 15, 2010


wanna rub dat bun

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Yup, that's 25lbs of third-cut Timothy hay.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Bunway Airlines posted:

Why? Because of her irresistible squishiness?

My money is on the cord in the background.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Condolences. Goddamn it. :(

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

My dwarf made a four or five hour trip in a cage wedged under a mattress with no complaints, eight is perfectly doable.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I have three rabbits, two of whom (Pavel and Sam) that are bonded and one (Tobias) that isn't. Tobias gets along fine with Pavel, not so much with Sam. Would I be hurting anything if I gave Pavel and Tobias some playtime together? I don't want to screw up future bonding or anything.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I always wondered what was so fascinating about the legs of a wheely chair.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

god dammit why do bunnies have to be so cute and die all the time

there is no :( big enough

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Trabisnikof posted:

They're pretty dandy.



do they snuggle

if they snuggle I'm eating my dwarf tonight

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I'm so afraid for those cords :gonk:

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I am not a vet but that seems super low.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I let my rabbit climb all over piles of stuff when he was super little and I think that's where he picked up the urge. Tried to climb on top of a desk not too long ago. Almost made it, too.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

holy loving poo poo just take it to a vet yesterday

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

What's it mean when a rabbit raises its tail? Like... way up, almost along its back.

I'm worried it means "I am internally screaming, you great lunk."

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Why do all sables look the same? That could easily be a picture of Pavel.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Some rabbits tolerate being picked up, some rabbits don't chew much. That is not, however, the smart money. You are also probably correct on all points regarding your child.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

shmee posted:

When we went to buy him there was a big pile of baby rabbits, which all scattered when I got close, revealing another rabbit underneath who had been sat on who couldn't be arsed to run away. We bought him.

this was the correct decision

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I just moved Tobias to my next apartment with me and he's not doing so well. I can't prove that he's left his litterbox since he hopped into it Saturday, and he's barely eating. Fresh poops are consistently appearing, so ... something is getting through his system, but I know exactly what I'm putting in his cage and how much should be disappearing and it isn't.

This isn't his first move, and he's always done great before. He's in the same cage (didn't even clean it, so it smells exactly the same), with the same litterbox, and the same dishes, and the same toys. The only thing I can figure that has changed is there were two other rabbits in an adjacent cage, and now they're not there - but he never got along with them anyway! They fought all the time! I honestly figured he'd be happier without them!

There's no weird noises, I assume there are some weird new smells but like I said that's never bothered him during any of the ... I think four? moves previous to this one.

Is this worth a vet trip? Is there something obvious I'm missing? The only other thing I can think to do is something I did after his first move after he refused to leave his (at that time, different and much smaller) cage, which is to scoop him out and plop him down in front of it. After I did that, he ventured out and started to explore pretty quickly, but I dunno if that's the right thing to do here.

loving rabbits.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

I was gonna try that suggestion, making it a more bunny-friendly space, but now he's flopped under the table with his face in a bowl of greens after a rousing game of "make the human chase me while I try to tear up the new carpet," so I don't even know what the gently caress anymore.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Tobias definitely knows when I don't want him to do something. And usually he tries to sneak around and do it anyway, of course.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Am I the only one who gets a little freaked out by how tiny Netherlands' ears are?

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Nessecitas posted:

definitely a she (no balls, no curled up bunny junk)

Both sexes have partially internal genitals and the exteriors look virtually identical. Have a vet check its sex.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

peach moonshine posted:

Having to keep the rabbit from destroying things has made me neater, more organized and less attached to material things. I am grateful.

FYI to any lurkers out there, this is basically either Stockholm Syndrome or Battered Person Syndrome, and it is what loving rabbits do to you

little poo poo chewed through my gaming mouse cord twice in two days

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

FactsAreUseless posted:

Update: This rabbit owns. He's smart, playful, and well-behaved. He's the only rabbit I've had that doesn't chew cords and destroy things. I love him.

*looks at his five-times-spliced gaming mouse*

You lucky prick.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

so what do you say to someone who bleaches a rabbit cage and then leaves the bunny in a tiny pet carrier directly above the offgassing cage with no litter so he stands in his own pee for six hours huffing bleach fumes until you get back home and sort of integer wrap your anger all the way around to being totally dead inside

ps ask me how my visit from my dad this week went spoiler alert it was awful and he is not allowed to go near my rabbit again ever

In all seriousness, is there something I can do to explain to him what he did without just locking him inside a freshly bleached bathroom for six hours and asking him how he feels after? Because I feel strongly like this is going to happen again unless I literally confiscate his key to my place. He has a habit of "being helpful" like this.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

your bunny is broken, recover it from a backup disk

Remora
Aug 15, 2010


I didn't realize there were two rabbits at first and I got really concerned.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Naw, unless you vacuum every day it just looks like that. It's pretty clean and orderly for poop. I tell people it's basically dense cocoa puffs in all respects but taste.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Fluffy tortoiseshell dorfbun.


Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Tobias is in the vet's overnight, and he's probably not going to make it. He was fine Friday (or so I thought), and kind of lethargic Saturday, and Sunday night when I came home he was acting really weird (I've never seen him faced *into* a corner before), so I thought - okay, vet tomorrow after work. (This is the part where I start loving kicking myself - why not do e-vet that night?) I came home and he was huddled in a puddle of his own urine, nasal discharge, fresh poops stuck to his fur, completely unaware of anything that was happening. Called the vet, stuffed him in the car, vet thinks he's had some kind of chronic issue that he's been hiding and now it's severe enough that he can't hide it anymore - her guess is renal failure, he's 7 years old this month. His temperature on admission was *94*.

I feel like such a loving moron. He's been dying right under my nose. How hard is it not to kill a rabbit?

I asked them to try to stabilize him tonight and see where he is in the morning, mostly because I couldn't live with myself without at least trying. I think the vet thinks I should have just put him down today. *I* kind of think I should have put him down today.

I've had him since he was eight weeks old and I don't know what to do besides go back in time and pay better attention to the loving animal under my care. At least money's not an issue.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Thanks. He died last night.

I can't stop thinking if I had been more diligent he would have been ok.

I keep looking at his hutch and expecting to see him.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Yossarian-22 posted:

terriers had a particularly bad prey drive

quote:

all dogs have this issue

These statements are not contradictory, hth.

For what it's worth, I tried this once and even though the dog did not give a solitary poo poo about the rabbit, the rabbit gave alllllll the fucks about being anywhere near the dog. And, uh, the rabbit is the one who can literally die of fright, so that was the end of that, because life is not a Disney movie and animals can't always live with each other. Dog lived in the house and rabbit lived in the - call it a guest house, I guess? - and they never met again.

If you want your rabbits to live happy lives, don't make them deal with a dog. You would not be happy living with velociraptors no matter how nice they were, because they only have to be not nice for a single second to literally kill you.

Frankly, given how much you're defending the dog thing, and are already talking about who will take care of your rabbits in your stead, I feel like you've made up your mind between the dog and the rabbits. Personally, I find the decision to push existing members of your household aside in favor of the shiny new poodle in poor taste, to say the least, but if you've made the decision about who comes first in your family, you should ... Well, you should poo poo or get off the pot. Nobody is going to tell you what you want to hear, because your desire to have your cake and eat it too is not what is best for your animals. Figure out how to give everyone you are responsible for the best possible life. Hint: making your rabbits live in fear of being eaten is not their best possible life.

Sorry if this is harsh, but I just lost a rabbit because I made a poor decision about its wellbeing, and subsequently rescued an Easter rabbit whose previous guardians have all made extremely poor decisions about its wellbeing. Animals are living, thinking creatures who deserve your concern about their wellbeing and quality of life, and for my money, you're not providing that concern right now.

Best of luck with your situation.

Remora
Aug 15, 2010

Just pick the rabbits or the dog. Rehome the one you don't want. This is not complicated.

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Remora
Aug 15, 2010

holy poo poo what in the gently caress did I just read

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