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excellent bird guy
Jan 1, 2020




Evil Bob posted:

I think this gets to the core of my misunderstanding of emo. When I was younger I never considered the hardcore derived non commercial stuff emo, or at least ever made the connection because I felt emotion in everything I was listening to. That doesn't mean I was versed in that scene, but it just never occured to me. To me those days emo was the scene kids buying music that sounded like pop punk with the whiniest vocals I had ever heard. I don't even remember who those bands were.

A Lifelong Misunderstanding of Emo: The Evil Bob Story.

Rites of Spring supposedly were the 'first emo band.'
And just listen to Embrace, those lyrics are so self conscious and insecure in I guess an emo sense.

I don't think either really embodies would I'd consider the Emo trope. Emo I think of Braid, but also the "Screamo" variety more on the posthardcore side of things.
None of it makes actual sense. In the 1990s everybody was like "Don't label me man, I'm not your product on your shelf."
Remember that Fugazi song? "Stupid loving words."

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Keith Atherton
Feb 7, 2006
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN



Slippery Tilde

I donít remember ďemoĒ being a label back in the early-mid 90s. Or ďpost hardcoreĒ.

But a lot of my favorite bands from that era could be lumped into either category that had shouty vocalists, weird time signatures or quiet/loud shifts

Braid
Slint
Bitch Magnet
Hoover
Rodan

And these guys on the shirt Iím wearing

Keith Atherton fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Aug 18, 2020

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005



Drive Like Jehu owns.

excellent bird guy
Jan 1, 2020




i don't remember emo being a buzzword until about 2004. My favorite is "midwestern emo" to describe them being from Chicago or Kansas City or wherever.

NinetySevenA
Feb 10, 2013




In the mid-late 90s Emo hate was very much a thing.

Spazz has the song campaign for emo destruction (1999)

Hellnation released a 5Ē at war with emo in 1997

Iím sure there are more those are the only two I can remember off the top of my head.

Keith Atherton
Feb 7, 2006
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN



Slippery Tilde

Finch and Chevelle were emo I guess but listening to them after all these years I just hear Creed

excellent bird guy
Jan 1, 2020




Keith Atherton posted:

Finch and Chevelle were emo I guess but listening to them after all these years I just hear Creed

You think so? Chevelle is like Puddle of Mud level fratboy 2003 poo poo. Yea like Creed. I don't know but I hold some of the old second wave emo bands in somewhat higher regard than that. They are still somewhat serious, or just ironic (I Hate Myself). Then you get to Taking Back Sunday which I guess qualifies but that's more hot topic type 14 year old poo poo, even though I still think it's pretty good.

Keith Atherton
Feb 7, 2006
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN



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excellent bird guy posted:

You think so? Chevelle is like Puddle of Mud level fratboy 2003 poo poo. Yea like Creed. I don't know but I hold some of the old second wave emo bands in somewhat higher regard than that. They are still somewhat serious, or just ironic (I Hate Myself). Then you get to Taking Back Sunday which I guess qualifies but that's more hot topic type 14 year old poo poo, even though I still think it's pretty good.

A lot of those bands are just interchangeable to me. Like all the bands that got major label deals when Nevermind exploded. And then got hosed over and vanished. Iím not saying a band signing to a big label is necessarily a bad thing but the advance and promised future imaginary money can be super destructive to a young band

Quantum Shart
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.


I remember Mineral being described as emo and they were def mid 90s

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



excellent bird guy posted:

You think so? Chevelle is like Puddle of Mud level fratboy 2003 poo poo. Yea like Creed. I don't know but I hold some of the old second wave emo bands in somewhat higher regard than that. They are still somewhat serious, or just ironic (I Hate Myself). Then you get to Taking Back Sunday which I guess qualifies but that's more hot topic type 14 year old poo poo, even though I still think it's pretty good.


This sound is what defined emo to me in my teens, and I couldn't take it. Once in a while I heard a song that caught my attention because those bands had a post hardcore sound, but in my youth i just couldn't get behind the emo style, I was heavily into punk and hardcore and to me all the stuff that sounded like taking back sunday was too commercial and too poser to me.

At the same time I was introduced to CTTS, and as I have mentioned I never considered them emo. I DO see how they are lumped into that category now. But had I been introduced to more "emo" along the lines of CTTS I probably would not have piled it with what I considered emo at the time.

I guess i'm a poser for not liking emo

Anyway this one just popped into my brain, fun years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-3FNOeoSY4

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

MEAN MUGGIN'



Been listening to too much Pile lately

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!



Band name
Fratboy Slim

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



Evil Bob posted:

This sound is what defined emo to me in my teens, and I couldn't take it. Once in a while I heard a song that caught my attention because those bands had a post hardcore sound, but in my youth i just couldn't get behind the emo style, I was heavily into punk and hardcore and to me all the stuff that sounded like taking back sunday was too commercial and too poser to me.

At the same time I was introduced to CTTS, and as I have mentioned I never considered them emo. I DO see how they are lumped into that category now. But had I been introduced to more "emo" along the lines of CTTS I probably would not have piled it with what I considered emo at the time.

I guess i'm a poser for not liking emo

Anyway this one just popped into my brain, fun years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-3FNOeoSY4

Man outbreak was on fire for a minute there. That one EP was really good. I guess ceremony came along and took over as bridge nine royalty. Also didnt help that they couldnt make anything that lived up to that one EP.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



I'll have to dig out the whole tape for this and cap it again now it's easier putting more than short crap quality clips on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8SrbzoLMk

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



albany academy posted:

Man outbreak was on fire for a minute there. That one EP was really good. I guess ceremony came along and took over as bridge nine royalty. Also didnt help that they couldnt make anything that lived up to that one EP.

Yeah, the Eaten Alive EP (all the bad brains covers, soo good) and You Make Us Sick were legendary when they came out. I've got love for their later albums, but when I think outbreak it's their early stuff.

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



excellent bird guy posted:

Rites of Spring supposedly were the 'first emo band.'
And just listen to Embrace, those lyrics are so self conscious and insecure in I guess an emo sense.

I don't think either really embodies would I'd consider the Emo trope. Emo I think of Braid, but also the "Screamo" variety more on the posthardcore side of things.
None of it makes actual sense. In the 1990s everybody was like "Don't label me man, I'm not your product on your shelf."
Remember that Fugazi song? "Stupid loving words."

Andrew eldritch claims to be "not goth", but everyone else knows the truth.

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



EL BROMANCE posted:

I'll have to dig out the whole tape for this and cap it again now it's easier putting more than short crap quality clips on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du8SrbzoLMk

Hahaha man, good times. Saw Ceremony play in Portland last year for the first time in years. They played mostly Violence and Ronhert Park and the dog piles and pits were wild... took me way back.

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



Evil Bob posted:

Yeah, the Eaten Alive EP (all the bad brains covers, soo good) and You Make Us Sick were legendary when they came out. I've got love for their later albums, but when I think outbreak it's their early stuff.

you might like hostage situation? only one release and the vocalist from weekend nachos does bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewnxgi_U3VE

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



albany academy posted:

you might like hostage situation? only one release and the vocalist from weekend nachos does bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewnxgi_U3VE

Yeah that sounds like me. Circle pits and two step breakdowns please.

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



Alright I was about to post a Torso track, but this came on when the EP was over and holy poo poo.

First time hearing Ratcage. 2020 hardcore punk from the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkHmbawn4c

Nice to hear music like this coming out in 2020 from a band I've never heard before.

excellent bird guy
Jan 1, 2020




Quantum Shart posted:

I remember Mineral being described as emo and they were def mid 90s

Mineral is top tier, one of the best. Both albums, the first one is harder and the second more restrained. I also liked The Frog Queen or whatever it was, solo album from SDRE guy. The first SDRE is a little played out, having listened to it so much.
Sad music just sounds so good for some reason.

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



Evil Bob posted:

Alright I was about to post a Torso track, but this came on when the EP was over and holy poo poo.

First time hearing Ratcage. 2020 hardcore punk from the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkHmbawn4c

Nice to hear music like this coming out in 2020 from a band I've never heard before.

Check out the rest of la vida es un mus, some really good releases on there. Did you ever listen to arms race?

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



albany academy posted:

Check out the rest of la vida es un mus, some really good releases on there. Did you ever listen to arms race?

The name sounds familiar but I can't say I have. Love finding new labels to check out, thanks for the rec.

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

MEAN MUGGIN'



Gerad from Planes Mistaken For Stars has stage three esophagus cancer

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albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



Bummer

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



I guess the Bass player of The Nerve Agents said some dumb racist poo poo, which the band posted a statement about disavowing him and the comments. Also stated they wouldn't be moving forward with a 20 year reissue of Days of the White Owl, which sucks, and definitely destroying any chance of a lil reunion tour or show (as unlikely as it may have been.) Consider me bummed, one of my all time favorite bands, and one that shaped my musical interests and influence when I was young...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ0E4hb94ik#t=791s

Queer Salutations
Aug 19, 2009

kind of a shitty wizard...



drat. RVIVR is such a good band. More pop-punk bands need dual vocalists.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDQTp8zoVhw

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.

I have a rvivr shirt. It is the one with the house and the skull and I wear it all the time and people are always like "that's a cool shirt" and then I start talking about latterman and then I'm like "oh yeah, you aren't a huge dork" and then we just talk about the weather for a bit and I keep walking

E: not to say you are a dork just saying I like this band a lot and I should probably move somewhere cooler like Olympia, WA

caleb fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Aug 20, 2020

Queer Salutations
Aug 19, 2009

kind of a shitty wizard...



caleb posted:

I have a rvivr shirt. It is the one with the house and the skull and I wear it all the time and people are always like "that's a cool shirt" and then I start talking about latterman and then I'm like "oh yeah, you aren't a huge dork" and then we just talk about the weather for a bit and I keep walking

E: not to say you are a dork just saying I like this band a lot and I should probably move somewhere cooler like Olympia, WA

I am an absolute dork but I'm now realizing I somehow never really listened to Latterman which I should fix.

scumby
Dec 29, 2004



e: repost

scumby fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 20, 2020

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.

Queer Salutations posted:

I am an absolute dork but I'm now realizing I somehow never really listened to Latterman which I should fix.

It doesn't have the cool back and forth aspect that rvivr has but it rips:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdOOEdBmYo

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.



Lipstick Apathy

I dunno if it fits here or not but just posting to say the new Bright Eyes album Down In The Weeds, Where The World Once Was is real good and Conor's an enchanting lyricist.

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



Hmm I slept on War on Women. Fully digging both of their albums. Awesome they were released on B9 too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGGH6NEFkYM

I just want to go wild at a show so bad.

Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!

All these mentions of emo bands and no one said Cap'n Jazz...

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



Guess I'm on a female vocalist kick right now

Seriously can't get enough of this acoustic version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPQgj9XIGvE

And some pop punk doing me well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRKbExii28

Weaponized Cum
Aug 31, 2004


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Low Dose is real good if you're in that mood OP https://lowdosephilly.bandcamp.com/album/low-dose

Evil Bob
May 2, 2004

I've lived a thousand times. I found out what it means to be believed.



Weaponized Cum posted:

Low Dose is real good if you're in that mood OP https://lowdosephilly.bandcamp.com/album/low-dose

Nice rec. On the first track and this is very my style.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



Ferrule posted:

All these mentions of emo bands and no one said Cap'n Jazz...

Capín Jazz is one of the all time greats. I know that lots and lots of bands follow in their footsteps and go for that manic fancy energy but to my ears no one ever hits the same as the Capín.

They also have, conveniently, a greatest hits record that IIRC is just their entire didcorgraphy of 1:50 and 2:14 minute long songs, itís like oh never mind here u go

https://capnjazz.bandcamp.com/album...betapolothology

Holy poo poo this record came out when I was 10 lmao anyway poo poo slaps give them money and boogie with your buns!

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


Evil Bob posted:

Guess I'm on a female vocalist kick right now

Definitely not in the same vein, but Svalbard's new stuff is loving great, they're really leaning into the atmospherics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrZeTRR27qI

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Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!

Evil Bob posted:

Guess I'm on a female vocalist kick right now

Seriously can't get enough of this acoustic version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPQgj9XIGvE

And some pop punk doing me well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRKbExii28

https://kittenforever.bandcamp.com

https://tonypeachka.bandcamp.com

https://catbath.bandcamp.com

https://lifestyles.bandcamp.com

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