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quantumdots
Apr 26, 2004



Some things I have been digging recently
Secrets of the Moon - Antithesis. Sounds sort of like if Opeth did black metal. Proggy and cool. I got one of their earlier albums and it sounded nothing like this.
Golden Dawn - Masquerade. Stumbled upon this in the used bin. Black metal vocals but so much more. I know a lot of folks here aren't too down with keyboards, but this band is pretty much one dude and he wails on both guitar and keys. Lots of guest vocalists, so lots of styles.

I just realized that both these bands are German. Not sure what significance that has.

Edit: If I could get that drat Sworn album here, I'm sure I would love it. At least I plan on seeing them in March at Ragnarok festival

quantumdots fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2007 around 03:48

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Xynobia
Mar 17, 2007


This is more of a Recommendations Thread question, but you guys will be more to the point...

So I want to get into Darkthrone but don't know where to begin, and I'm told that their early/mid/late periods are all very different (aren't they like a crust punk band now?). Is the only route in A Blaze In the Northern Sky, or is there another door to take? I'm not huge into BM in general, so anything that's super lo-fi or cheesy is probably a bad route. Punk or death inspired is good. Help?

Bertrand Hustle
Apr 29, 2007

Ah, music to my ears.


Xynobia posted:

This is more of a Recommendations Thread question, but you guys will be more to the point...

So I want to get into Darkthrone but don't know where to begin, and I'm told that their early/mid/late periods are all very different (aren't they like a crust punk band now?). Is the only route in A Blaze In the Northern Sky, or is there another door to take? I'm not huge into BM in general, so anything that's super lo-fi or cheesy is probably a bad route. Punk or death inspired is good. Help?

The Cult Is Alive. If you like that, look up their older stuff.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006


I don't listen to a lot of black but the new Blut Aus Nord and Watain are great.

funeral fag
Jun 23, 2004



Someone recommend bands who sound like Nifelheim because the S/T album and Devil's Force kick major rear end

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

I went to Sworn's myspace page to check them out and it sounds like some guys in a melodic death metal band thought it would be really cool to make black metal.

I don't get it.

heyleroy
Dec 13, 2005
watching a sunken ship

I recommend Celestia - Apparitia - Sumptuous Spectre. It's one of my favorites of the year, for sure.

pugna
Apr 27, 2003


I totally love the incestuous Ukranian (Kharkiv) (mostly NS) scene, eg Astrofaes, Hate Forest, Drudkh, Nokturnal Mortum, & Temnozor.

Especially Hate Forest, as of late. gently caress, they're brilliant. Every single song of theirs is just wow.

Listen to Hate Forest.

edit: Also, I preordered the Blood of Kingu album from Supernal t'other day and expect it will be immense. The description of it on the Supernal site makes me spritzen in mein hosen:

quote:

HATE FOREST's new incarnation, BLOOD OF KINGU, surfaces for the first time, after an exasperatingly long wait. If you take HATE FOREST's "Purity" and "Sorrow", and add ancient ethic elements, traditional instruments, and deep Shamanic vocals, you will have an approximate idea of what this sounds like. Inspired by Summerian and ancient Egyptian mythology and history, this blasting opus presents a radical synthesis of the brutal fist and intellectual genius.

pugna fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2007 around 20:52

Avant Gardening
Jul 24, 2007
"...And if you wondered what Time sounded like it sounded like water running in a dark cave and voices crying and dirt dropping down upon hollow box lids, and rain."

We should have everyone list the favorite obscure black metal band, as I have quite a few that are worth mentioning.

The band Strid is viewed as the originators of depressive black metal, but are completely over and above what depressive black metal is defined as today by bands such as Xasthur. Strid only released a Demo in 1993 and a 7" EP in 1994, but their self-titled EP is absolutely incredible in terms of sound, atmosphere and that time in which it was released. The guitar tone is hypnotic, and their bass player has a strong presence in the band, which is very rare for a black metal band. There's a "best of" compilation for Strid that has all their releases including ones before they changed their name to Strid.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again


Burzum completely defined/created/beallendalled the depressive black metal genre with Filosofem.

MrBling posted:

I went to Sworn's myspace page to check them out and it sounds like some guys in a melodic death metal band thought it would be really cool to make black metal.

I don't get it.

Welcome to 99% of the BM scene

Avant Gardening
Jul 24, 2007
"...And if you wondered what Time sounded like it sounded like water running in a dark cave and voices crying and dirt dropping down upon hollow box lids, and rain."

IntoTheNihil posted:

Burzum completely defined/created/beallendalled the depressive black metal genre with Filosofem.

It's funny because I hold metalarchives's opinion much higher than yours.

Edit: Also, Filosofem came out in 1996 while the release I mentioned came out in 1994.

Avant Gardening fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2007 around 04:44

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again


Avant Gardening posted:

It's funny because I hold metalarchives's opinion much higher than yours.

That's a sad thing to do.

To be honest here, anyone with good knowledge of the genre would agree with that I said.

ChaosNonMusica
Dec 21, 2003



Can anyone recommend some piss raw black metal like Ildjarn, Bone Awl, or Clandestine Blaze? No symphonic, operatic, or clean sounding stuff, please.

Avant Gardening
Jul 24, 2007
"...And if you wondered what Time sounded like it sounded like water running in a dark cave and voices crying and dirt dropping down upon hollow box lids, and rain."

ChaosNonMusica posted:

Can anyone recommend some piss raw black metal like Ildjarn, Bone Awl, or Clandestine Blaze? No symphonic, operatic, or clean sounding stuff, please.

Black Murder, Vlad Tepes, and Mutiilation's Vampires of Black Imperial Blood and Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul are very good raw black metal.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


ChaosNonMusica posted:

Can anyone recommend some piss raw black metal like Ildjarn, Bone Awl, or Clandestine Blaze? No symphonic, operatic, or clean sounding stuff, please.
Ildjarn headed up a side project called Sort Vokter that's probably worth seeking out.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005



pugna posted:

edit: Also, I preordered the Blood of Kingu album from Supernal t'other day and expect it will be immense. The description of it on the Supernal site makes me spritzen in mein hosen:

So it's a Ukranian Melechesh
I haven't even listened to Hate Forest but that description makes this sound very interesting.

het
Nov 14, 2002

A dark black past
is my most valued
possession


Xynobia posted:

So I want to get into Darkthrone but don't know where to begin, and I'm told that their early/mid/late periods are all very different (aren't they like a crust punk band now?). Is the only route in A Blaze In the Northern Sky, or is there another door to take? I'm not huge into BM in general, so anything that's super lo-fi or cheesy is probably a bad route. Punk or death inspired is good. Help?
The Goat Problem is right that if you're looking for punk-inspired, you should probably check The Cult Is Alive. Their newest, F.O.A.D., is also good though it's more old school metal-inspired than punk (granted a lot of those inspirations are thrash). For what it's worth, I like Transilvanian Hunger a whole lot more than A Blaze in the Northern Sky.

Auritech
May 27, 2004

In every dream home a heartache

Avant Gardening posted:

Black Murder, Vlad Tepes, and Mutiilation's Vampires of Black Imperial Blood and Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul are very good raw black metal.

I honestly cannot stand anything at all that ever came out of the Les Legions Noires scene and I think that whole movement was really a waste of everyone's time. It is exactly what you'd expect out of a bunch of bored, weird French teenagers. (As opposed to a bunch of bored, weird Norwegian teenagers, I know, but at least they tried harder.)

het posted:

The Goat Problem is right that if you're looking for punk-inspired, you should probably check The Cult Is Alive. Their newest, F.O.A.D., is also good though it's more old school metal-inspired than punk (granted a lot of those inspirations are thrash). For what it's worth, I like Transilvanian Hunger a whole lot more than A Blaze in the Northern Sky.

I absolutely love Transilvanian Hunger vs. everything else but I do think that the intentionally bad production tends to turn people off (whereas I think that's part of their charm). Sardonic Wrath might be a good album for someone just getting into Darkthrone, since it still kind of takes itself a bit seriously but still has some songs with great riffs and enough blend of the punk and metal influences to go around.

Also, I may be the only person on Earth who thinks Plaguewielder was actually a pretty drat good album.

Avant Gardening
Jul 24, 2007
"...And if you wondered what Time sounded like it sounded like water running in a dark cave and voices crying and dirt dropping down upon hollow box lids, and rain."

Auritech posted:

I honestly cannot stand anything at all that ever came out of the Les Legions Noires scene and I think that whole movement was really a waste of everyone's time. It is exactly what you'd expect out of a bunch of bored, weird French teenagers. (As opposed to a bunch of bored, weird Norwegian teenagers, I know, but at least they tried harder.)
What raw black metal would you recommend outside LLN bands besides Ildjarn, Sort Voker, Akitsa and Bone Awl?

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Auritech posted:


Also, I may be the only person on Earth who thinks Plaguewielder was actually a pretty drat good album.

Plaguewielder is a good album, I think it just gets unfairly maligned due to the proximity of Ravishing Grimness.


ChaosNonMusica posted:

Can anyone recommend some piss raw black metal like Ildjarn, Bone Awl, or Clandestine Blaze? No symphonic, operatic, or clean sounding stuff, please.

Beherit ("The Oath of Black Blood" and "Drawing Down the Moon")
Havohej and Profanatica

MrBling fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2007 around 11:05

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again


Avant Gardening posted:


Edit: Also, Filosofem came out in 1996 while the release I mentioned came out in 1994.

Filosofem was written (and I believe recorded) in 1993.

Devil Fetus
Nov 20, 2002


Have you guys seen the True Norwegian Black Metal Documentary on Youtube? It's centered completely around Gaahl, and what an intense, charismatic, scary motherfucker he is. They visit him at his home in some isolated valley in Norway, the whole place is owned by his family. We see his art, hear a lot more about his personal views, and get to see what happens when doucebaggy filmmakers piss him off. Really interesting.

Here's the link to part 1. It's about 40 minutes long, divided into five parts.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i4U33U_UyzQ


More on-topic, I'm just getting into black metal. Immortal is pretty sweet, as are Anaal Nathrakh and Emperor. Where to go from here? I don't like the obscenely raw stuff. My ears haven't fully acclimatized to the sound. Otherwise, I'm open to any suggestions.

Would asking for a breakdown of BM subgenres be inviting too much controversey and nitpicking?

Xithyl
Jul 17, 2004

Watching You Pee

What does everyone think about Silencer? Seriously, I am curious.

At time I can get into it because he's so weird and the vocals are simply that of an insane man. But other times I just kind of shrug it off and laugh at the seriousness and stupidity of it all. More often than not though, I'm in the former state of mind.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again


Silencer is a trendy gimmick band but I like the music at times. Basically all the stuff sounds the same but it's equally consistent.

Mordekai
Sep 6, 2006

Salt in the wound eases the soul.

What's the opinion on Limbonic Art - Legacy of Evil? I bought it, and its great. It isn't as good as Moon or In abhorrence, but they know their poo poo. Its awesome.

In other news, I'm on a huge Mayhem wave at the moment. Man are they great!

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Aug 22, 2004


heyleroy posted:

I recommend Celestia - Apparitia - Sumptuous Spectre. It's one of my favorites of the year, for sure.

If you like this you should like Mortifera - Vastiia Tenebrd Mortifera. The main song writer for Mortifera is in Celestia, and they even cover a Celestia song.

edit: Krohm - The Haunting Presence is worth checking out if you're a fan of doomy, suicidal BM.

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Bertrand Hustle
Apr 29, 2007

Ah, music to my ears.


Mordekai posted:

What's the opinion on Limbonic Art - Legacy of Evil? I bought it, and its great. It isn't as good as Moon or In abhorrence, but they know their poo poo. Its awesome.

In other news, I'm on a huge Mayhem wave at the moment. Man are they great!

Limbonic Art is awesome. Anyone else love Vesania and 1349 as much as I do?

spigotthebear
Nov 1, 2007

Sometimes the porn gets in my face and says dont delete me im still jerkable. At which point I ask yes but will you be jerkable in three weeks? And the porn is silent.


Any one else here like Imperial Crystalline Entombment? They are a black metal act from maryland there drummer has some of the fastes blast beats i have ever heard crazy stuff. There Lyrics are differenet then most BM bands they have there mythology type thing going that they talk about. I sugguest you all check them all out. http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13296 link to there MA page for more information.

Can any one suggest some good depressive black metal? Or atmospheric black metal?

Avant Gardening
Jul 24, 2007
"...And if you wondered what Time sounded like it sounded like water running in a dark cave and voices crying and dirt dropping down upon hollow box lids, and rain."

spigotthebear posted:

Can any one suggest some good depressive black metal? Or atmospheric black metal?

Strid is good depressive black metal. Paysage d'Hiver is amazing atmospheric black metal about nature and Darkspace is amazing atmospheric black metal about outer space.

DoodlePook
Jun 13, 2007


pugna posted:

I totally love the incestuous Ukranian (Kharkiv) (mostly NS) scene, eg Astrofaes, Hate Forest, Drudkh, Nokturnal Mortum, & Temnozor.

Especially Hate Forest, as of late. gently caress, they're brilliant. Every single song of theirs is just wow.

Listen to Hate Forest.

edit: Also, I preordered the Blood of Kingu album from Supernal t'other day and expect it will be immense. The description of it on the Supernal site makes me spritzen in mein hosen:

Agreed. I loving hate nazis but Ukraine has got some really good music made by really stupid people.
Lutomysl and Kroda comes to mind.

DB_Cooper
Nov 14, 2006


Theres rehearsal sessions of the ved buens ende reunion out there so those people that know why they're such an important band to black metal should be on the look out for them. Maybe einar will release some limited cd of it.

Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge.

spigotthebear posted:

Can any one suggest some good depressive black metal? Or atmospheric black metal?

I think The Shining's last effort, V Halmstad, is particularly about as depressing as it gets.

DB_Cooper
Nov 14, 2006


Forgotten tomb or bethlehem could be added to the "depressing black metal" list.

spigotthebear
Nov 1, 2007

Sometimes the porn gets in my face and says dont delete me im still jerkable. At which point I ask yes but will you be jerkable in three weeks? And the porn is silent.


Thanks for all the suggestions guys i am checking them out now.
Has any one heard the Lurker of Chalice CD? Great stuff extremely atmospheric black metal its a side project of Wrest. Siliencer is an extremely different black metal they use lots of different instrumental breaks in there songs (acoustic and synth). And there vocalist is very good his crazed shrieking goes along perfectly with the music. Speaking of being crazy: The band split up because Nattramn was institutionalized (nattram is there vocalist). Another good band i suggest you guys try out is I Shalt Become. They make very burzumish black metal sort of like taking the instrumental parts filosome with the vocals of the earlier albums.

Check em out guys also any more recommendations you all have is gladly accepted always looking for more bands to check out.

Watrick
Mar 15, 2007

C:enter:###

spigotthebear posted:

Thanks for all the suggestions guys i am checking them out now.
Has any one heard the Lurker of Chalice CD? Great stuff extremely atmospheric black metal its a side project of Wrest. Siliencer is an extremely different black metal they use lots of different instrumental breaks in there songs (acoustic and synth). And there vocalist is very good his crazed shrieking goes along perfectly with the music. Speaking of being crazy: The band split up because Nattramn was institutionalized (nattram is there vocalist). Another good band i suggest you guys try out is I Shalt Become. They make very burzumish black metal sort of like taking the instrumental parts filosome with the vocals of the earlier albums.

Check em out guys also any more recommendations you all have is gladly accepted always looking for more bands to check out.

I really like Lurker of Chalice and I Shalt Become (although I've only heard Wanderings). As for more metal to check out, I'll stick to black since this is the thread for it. Check out Oblomov - Mighty Cosmic Dances (I have fondness for bands from the Czech Republic), Sear Bliss (everything by them is good), Summon (everything, but Fallen is my favorite), and Exhausted Prayer - Looks Down In The Gathering Shadow.

Sirius Sam
Apr 12, 2005

BUTTCHEEKS


How do people feel about Crystal Abyss's new album Word Of The Darkest Ages and Walknut's Graveforests And Their Shadows? I've had Walknut's album spinning since I it got a couple weeks ago, and it is amazing in my opinion. So is the new Crystal Abyss. This has been a good year for melodic BM.

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MMAgCh
Aug 15, 2001
I am the poet,
The prophet of the pit
Like a hollow-point bullet
Straight to the head
I never missed...you

The Walknut ranks #9 on my year end list so far, it really is an outstanding album (especially "Motherland Ostenvegr"). I remember thinking the Crystal Abyss was decent, but as I never did feel any particular desire to listen to it again it wasn't all that in the end.

Death Rotisserie
Sep 9, 2006

I am, how you say, Russian Guyovich

This year has been pretty good for black metal so far. Sear Bliss put out another epic and melodic album, combining good guitarwork with amazing trombone leads and countermelodies.

Anaal Nathrakh went down a peg, I think, but it's still really solid. I was curious to see in what direction they were going after Eschaton, as it's easily one of the most extreme metal albums I've ever heard (up there with Watchmaker), but their new one was less extreme. Seems like they're trying to make themselves more easily accessible without losing too much edge.

Deathspell Omega's newest was a tiny bit worse than SMRC and Kenose, but it's still easily in my top 10 albums of the year. I love their dissonant sound, but on their new album, it seemed that they were almost too incoherent at times.

Lifelover - Erotik. I love it when black metal is combined with other genres. So many metal fans hate black metal, when it's easily one of the most versatile styles out there. Lifelover combines black metal with depressive/gothic/post-ish rock with poppy shoegaze moments to paint a modern, urban black metal landscape.

Already mentioned before by others were the new Wolves in the Throne Room and Walknut. They're also among my favorites for this year so far.

Church Bizarre put out their first LP this year. Really sick first-wave influenced black metal.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005



Sirius Sam posted:

How do people feel about Crystal Abyss's new album Word Of The Darkest Ages and Walknut's Graveforests And Their Shadows? I've had Walknut's album spinning since I it got a couple weeks ago, and it is amazing in my opinion. So is the new Crystal Abyss. This has been a good year for melodic BM.

I'm usually a fan of most of the melodic BM I hear, the Crystal Abyss album was great on first listen but none of the songs really stood out for me. It's a good album but I can't say a great one, I'll check out Walknut though.

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Baron Von Ghoulosh
Dec 16, 2005

I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge.

Whatís the general consensus on the Gorgoroth split? Does anyone care? Is anyone anticipating future releases from the Infernus camp or the Gaahl/King/Hellhammer side more so than the other? I agree, it sounds like Infernus kinda got screwed out of his own band, but drat if Iím not siding along with whoever puts out the blackest metal. Iíve just recently gotten into Gorgoroth and Iíve heard claims that Infernus is indeed the musical creative drive behind the group. Confirm or deny? If itís true, despite Gaahl being one evil bastard/frontman, it all has me kinda nervous for a Gorgoroth without Infernus.

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