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Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Holy poo poo I didn't know agalloch was touring in Seattle this Sunday, I just barely got tickets in time. Looking forward to this show.

e: 21+ :negative:

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 11, 2013

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Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


TheIllestVillain posted:

The new Deafheaven is out and it is bad to the bone, i hope Deathwish is still taking LP orders for it.

Yeah, god drat I am liking this so far.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Houseplant posted:

I just can't get past their band picture on Metal-Archives:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deafheaven/3540315870

These are the guys that I see at an Agalloch gig talking about "post-black-metal-transcendental-whateverthefuck" and what it all "means" to them. No matter how good the music may be, I would never be able to get the look of those two pretentious dweebs out of my head...
:corsair:


Nonono, liturgy are the pretentious "transcendental" dweebs. Deafheaven seem like pretty cool guys.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Morbid Florist posted:

This whole shoegaze poo poo being injected into black metal is like listening to Morrisey cover Nile.

If you don't want outside influences in your genre (that's what I'm getting from your post, anyways), it's going to become a creative circlejerk.

I'm not generally big on genre mashups, but I think that both shoegaze and black metal are in the same place musically in a lot of ways, with purposefully indistinct vocals, "wall of sound" washes that are based on feedback, amplification and reverb, heavy use of electric guitar distortion, etc. Props to people like Neige who can blend the two styles.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Zodijackylite posted:

The more recent trends of shoegaze/blackgaze and depressive black metal are terrible because all of the music is terrible. I have heard countless bands and they're all terrible. This isn't philosophical, it's practical, every blackgaze/DSBM band is a complete waste of time.

I'm fine with you wanting to stick with the older, ferocious style, I understand the appeal, but please don't attempt to claim objectivity and say that all black metal/shoegaze is poo poo. Being the arbiter of taste like this is really arrogant. (That verdunkeln album looks real cool by the way, I'll check it out) Again I think you're being selective with what influences you want and don't want, but that's ok! As you said with Einblick..., there's some stuff that is unconventional but still good. Can you maybe conscience that in my opinion, blackgaze is one of those things? I still like stuff like Mgla, Blut aus Nord, Nehemah, etc, but atmospheric black and blackgaze scratch a different itch.

Morbid Florist posted:

You're also trying to preach open-mindedness to a style of music that embodies closed-mindedness. It's probably the most rigidly defined metal genre there is, and for good reason.

Yeah. I think blackgaze is good music but maybe it ought to be dissociated entirely from BM for the sake of both genres.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Stravinsky posted:

Can we all just agree that Alcest is really boring?

Le Voyages De L'Ame wasn't that great, but I love the interplay between Neige's vocals and the guitar-work on Souvenirs and especially Ecailles de Lune. He's not close to my favorite artist, but his stuff is worth respect.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Morbid Florist posted:

In all fairness this cuts both ways. Insisting that something is awesome is the same as insisting it sucks.

But this is what makes metal awesome, trash talking and all of that. People get a little too sensitive when something they like is poo poo on and that ain't metal.

Haha, I'm not insisting Deafheaven is awesome. I don't like them near as much as some atmo acts like Wolves and Krallice (you might hate those but whatever :v:). Taste is personal, that's why I object to people saying that things are objectively poo poo.

That's one of the things that I love about the music community in general, is that people actually care, and it's inspiring to see someone defend what they like.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Rion.exe posted:

Anyway, people should post more like Taken Away by the Torn Black Shroud. :black101:

I need more things like this. I have a few Nehemah albums but they just don't hit me like that particular track.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Killsion posted:

I dislike the term "blackgaze" myself, thus why I usually leave it in quotations.

As for orthodox, when I think orthodox black metal I think your theistic Satanist, anti-cosmic chaos Gnosticism stuff etc. Deathspell Omega, Katharsis, Dodsengel, Fides Inversa, that stuff, of which I absolutely love and I highly recommend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLcX8Oc9EQ

I don't particularly listen to stuff like Horna too much anymore unfortunately. I think there is a new Clandestine Blaze album though, may catch your fancy.

Deathspell Omega is really unconventional, though.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Not sure if Melechesh are black metal or blackened death metal, but I'm seeing them soon. Really looking forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LIC9vZsD5A This album holy poo poo

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Nails posted:

Anybody who thinks WITTR is a terrible band clearly hasn't heard "I Will Lay Down My Bones Among The Rocks And Roots" :colbert:.

Yeah, Two Hunters is an amazing album. I didn't "get" WitTR until I went out in the Cascade foothills and listened to that album in its entirety. It was a pretty incredible experience.

Their music is definitely meant to be meditative and ambient rather than energetic and mosh-y (in fact I know WitTR hate it when people mosh at their shows).

I think that A Looming Resonance and Face in a Night Time Mirror are better tracks but I Will Lay My Bones down is also amazing.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Nails posted:

I've lived in the PNW my whole life, around and in these types of settings as long as I can remember, and I think that's part of why I love them so much too. I feel like the PNW should pretty much be America's Norway, and I wish a larger scene would gain more of a foothold here so I could go to more black metal shows. For all I know, there's probably a ton and I just have no idea where they are. I'm also totally down with WIITR's policy, because I'm too old for moshing and I loving hate it anyways.

Also, Killison, that might be the funniest thing I've ever heard anybody say about WIITR, and now I'm scared to listen to that album, because I just know I'm going to remember that and burst out laughing or something.

Cascadian black metal is a huge new thing, dude. Velvet Cacoon, Ash Borer, Skagos, Fell Voices, Alda, Agalloch of course... Altar of Plagues also cover similar themes in White Tomb and Mammal (their newest album is really weird and not like the others at all).

There's a tag for it on last.fm

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jun 2, 2013

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Houseplant posted:

Their whole discography is drat good. Also looking forward to seeing them soon!

You in Seattle? See you there if so.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


5er posted:

Took me long enough to finally remember to look up some Liturgy music on youtube to see what all the fuss is about. Simple summary for me, they're a pretty good band ruined by bad decisions in vocals. The vocals sound like a cat slowly being dipped back and forth between a vat of acid and a pan filled with salt. Reading the comments on any given youtube of theirs is a pretty fun trek though.

HHH is a very poor vocalist, but the songs themselves are really beautiful and compelling in some weird way. Returner is such a drat good track.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


RHTITE posted:

The best Black Metal guys listened to classical, techno/trance and synthpop along with the metal stuff they liked. Same definitely rings true in the other subgenres.

I get a real kick out of imagining Varg rockin' out to some synth-pop.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


nomapple posted:

I have such a love/hate relationship with Famine. He comes across as such a dick, but goddamn he is really creative, and creates some genuinely interesting black metal. Basically he is an elitist knob, but his talent is undeniable, so...

Similar to how I feel about Hunter Hunt-Hendrix.

Speaking of that Czech band, you guys might want to check out Vesper by Entropia. Eastern-European black metal with atmospheric sludge influence. Good stuff.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 24, 2013

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


nomapple posted:

If anyone has any black metal recs from this year in the vein of either of those albums, I'd lap it up.

You might like the Thaw s/t. Check the second track. Feels pretty Blut Aus Nord.

I'm also fond of the new Woe album

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


RHTITE posted:

There has never been an awesome progressive/avantgarde Black Metal band so I guess Germany got problems!

Blut aus Nord. Checkmate :colbert:

Memoria Vetusta and The Work Which Transforms God are near-flawless.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Smoking Crow posted:

I've been listening to a lot of Drudkh lately, and I was looking for some recommendations based on that. Are there any other bands that mix a folk style with black metal, except with Nordic folk (I prefer Scandinavian folk over Slavic folk)?

Arkona (though that's Slavic), Ulver's first 2 albums, Nydvind, Windir, and Negura Bunget (also Slavic).

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Oldstench posted:

Negura Bunget is the best Romanian-folk influenced band you may have missed. 'n Crugu Bradului is their best work.


I'd say OM is better honestly.

Also I recced Negura Bunget already but who cares, they deserve exposure.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


The Clit Avoider posted:

And the commercialisation of black metal grows ever stronger...

Man, I'm going to listen to some of the best and pretend the current crap doesn't exist.

So what are your thoughts on band tshirts? Patches? I mean, I just think of it as a little light-hearted thing. It's not commercialized nearly as much as it would be if you could pick up a Gorgoroth tee at Hot Topic or something.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


The Clit Avoider posted:

Varg's views aren't reflected in his music anyway; you want to get bent out of shape about a band? Try Woods of Infinity (who aren't racist... but I doubt anyone here will endorse what they believe in either), Arghoslent or Veles and Fullmoon (alongside half of Poland). Or if you prefer your racial ideology to be slightly more "high brow", Sigrblot.

Argoslent is pretty drat good (as are Fanisk and Peste Noire). I have yet to come to peace with the ideology expressed by them (especially since I'm Jewish) but in this genre it is best not to take ideology 100% literally.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


nomapple posted:

Just stopping by to throw in a rec for the new Acherontas. I found Vamchara a bit boring, but I really liked this one. I still haven't found a 2013 BM release that stands out as much as Lunar Aurora or Mgla though. I know a lot of people liked Cultes Des Ghoules, but I didn't find it as compelling as others apparently. Since checking out Acherontas this afternoon I've been on a Deathspell Omega binge. Si Momentum... is still an incredible album.

What did you think of Progenie Terrestra Pura? I'm liking space BM like that and Alrakis recently.

Also yeah, DsO is cool. I like Fas the best.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


deadking posted:

If that list is a bit overwhelming (although it's by no means comprehensive), I'd say start with Ash Borer. They're probably my favorite in the subgenre.
Agreed Ash Borer are loving sick

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Smoking Crow posted:

I've been listening to a lot of Les Discrets lately and I was wondering if there was a so called "blackgaze" band harder than that? I mean, it's all well and good, but I want something a little more Darkthrone and little less Joy Division. Any recommendations?

Edit: I hope this is the right thread to ask. :ohdear:
Altar of Plagues, Entropia and The Great Old Ones are the only blackgaze bands I can stand personally. AoP especially, but that's mostly because they went full industrial in their last album to rather spectacular effect.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Verizian posted:

Discovered Oranssi Pazuzu while trying to find more TRoB. It's kinda Jazzy in places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqK6s93wqRU

That band claims to be influenced a good deal by krautrock and I can sort of see it. Honestly BM + kraut needs to be more of a thing. Definitely a more interesting combo than shoegaze.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012




God drat it. You guys were right, commercialization and watering-down of black metal just makes me feel empty.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


apophenium posted:

Gonna go with this, dude looks sad as hell.



That pic is DSBM as hell yo

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


apophenium posted:

It's probably sacrilege to say but I would pay good money for a cleaner produced version of Beverast's Rain Upon the Impure. It's a great album but I hate hearing it from the bottom of a well.

I think that production really works for RUtI, i just hate how it's so drat long. Tracks that could be 10 minutes are 18 for o good reason.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Xandoom posted:

Does anyone have any reccomendations for some slower-paced black metal? Think like the intros to Bloodfrozen by Dark Funeral or Freezing Moon by Mayhem.

Bethlehem and Nortt are the go-to bands there. A lot of DSBM is slow, but Nortt verges on funeral doom at times.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Xandoom posted:

Oh wow I completely forgot about Nortt. Love his work. Thanks!

And apparently the Polish band Profanum also does sllooooowwww sllloooowwww black metal.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Oh poo poo, new Blut Aus Nord album announced. This and Memoria 3 in one year, and Vindsval's split with Krallice, is too goddamn much to handle...

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


What blackened death metal was clearly missing was tons of vocal overdubs, riffs stolen from Nile, and using "ov" instead of "of" because it's more brutal

Honestly, they've been repeating themselves since Thelema.6 or even earlier, and if anything the new album just has more catchy choruses and marketing going on. I thought the No Clean Singing editorial where the guy essentially whined about "elitist kvltists" calling Behemoth pop-metal was pretty telling. NCS is normally one of the better big metal blogs but that was a really silly article.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 15, 2014

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Excuse me, I regularly listen to Merzbow and the Gerogerigegege for pleasure. Don't talk poo poo.

I couldn't care less about cvlt status or whatever (I enjoy Boris and Isis, which would get me kicked off NWN and ANUS, and that's to say nothing of all the metalcore and slam death I listen to), I just think Behemoth releases are pretty redundant and don't really do anything with the combination of black and death metal that other bands (Imprecation, for instance) don't do better. This latest one is their best in a long time, though. I think we all agree on that.

Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Feb 17, 2014

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


no they will not posted:

Well, it can be tough to get into, but I wouldn't get discouraged - I'd recommend merzbeat or merzbient for first time listeners.

Merzbeat is poo poo though, I'd listen to Hybrid Noisebloom or 1930 personally

Oh and here are the kings of really bad black metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ws2AqfuvE

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


m-o-o-n posted:

Oh yeah this is poo poo, but at least it's got a weird autistic Havohej-esque charm to it unlike most bedroom BM projects.

have you listened to Havohej's recent stuff, like Kembatinan Premaster? Weird as gently caress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbfwOijvUDE

Black metal which doesn't sound like it uses guitars is oddly charming.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


That, and REALLY DISSONANT RIFFS BRO

It makes a bit less sense to me than calling "atmospheric black metal" a subgenre.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


I'd go to that gig just for Inquisition, because they're among the best modern metal bands in any genre. Yeah, even though they're playing for 20 minutes (they're touring on their own after their tour with Behemoth finishes, though)

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Well, there's Book of Sand who are apparently feminist, vegan, anti-racist and pro-human extinction. I don't know how that all works - I'd expect people who are pro-human extinction to support murder and stuff but I'm a filthy man and what do I know.

e: beaten

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Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


What's up with those track lengths? Are there, like, 3 interludes in a row?

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