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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
My 3 year old dog, who has been housebroken for almost as long, has started pooing exclusively on the living room floor. I would like to stop this. Some info:

This seems a behavioral, rather than physical issue, in that she most often does it close to, or immediately after having been taken outside. I don't think it's a case of infection or illness causing her to have issue holding it in.

It's more or less the same spot every time, and she always does it when nobody is watching.

The only real change lately is that I have been doing 15-20 hour shifts at work the last week, which is about when this started. It should be noted however, that my live-in-girlfriend has been keeping her normal schedule, meaning the dogs are never alone more than 7-8 hours, and even this weekend, when I've been around, she is still going in the living room. Last night, I let her out for about fifteen minutes, she did nothing, and then immediately after, as I was brushing my teeth, she went in the living room.

So, my current plan is basically just re-housebreaking her. She is not going to be left unattended outside of her crate, and she is going to get super praise when she poos outside (Literally has not happened in days now). I picked up some Nature's Miracle (Haven't needed it in years) this morning and liberally sprayed and wiped the living room floor.

A) What could have triggered this, and has it most likely been continuing simply because I didn't have Nature's Miracle on hand for cleanup?
B) Is there anything more I can be doing?

Also, admission of guilt: I totally dragged her over to the pile yesterday and yelled at her. I know, it doesn't help, and I have avoided it so far, but I lost my cool last night.

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
I am surprised so many people have issues with removing anal gland smell - Nature's Miracle works on our microfiber couch every time. Just make sure to blot up the mess as best you can before spraying. Or maybe by the time we are done cleaning it, our olfactory bulbs have just admitted defeat and shut down

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

mcswizzle posted:

Has anyone seen dogs become afraid of the dark before? Artemis isn't a big fan of going outside once the sun sets anymore. It was kind of spontaneous, and she's never had any issues outside in the dark (she's never outside without one of us to supervise) so I can't think of any kind of trigger that makes her uncomfortable. She just recently started pulling me back into the house as soon as we get off the porch when it's dark outside.
Around the fourth of July one of my dogs starts to refuse to go outside at night because of fireworks, regardless of whether or not any are being set off. It lasts for weeks before she gets over the trauma of scary noise. So possibly just had a bad scare recently and is associating it with night time?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Brennanite posted:

I'm watching a sweet senior dog with arthritis. It's unusually cold and wet, and she's having a hard time getting up the one flight of stairs to the apartment. Is there anything I can do to help her have an easier time?

Use a towel or sheet as a sling to help carry some of her weight on the stairs

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Philip Rivers posted:

Any of y'all got pigs? I met a pet pig one time and it was dope as hell, I'd totally keep a couple of pigs.
If you want a full size pig for your farm,
Godspeed. If you want a teacup pig, they don't exist. There is no accepted breed, because the small stature is totally random. Paris Hilton's teacup pig that was totally gonna max out at 30 lbs is now about 300 judging by photos. They breed small pigs together, but just like two short people can have tall kids, so too can pig DNA do whatever it feels like doing. The ones that do stay small usually have health issues.

Pigs are also intelligent and social and need a lot of stimulation or they turn into anger monsters.

I so very desperately want one, and every couple years have to remind myself it is a horrible idea.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Pelafina posted:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with a moving problem. I'm looking at moving from the east coast to Hawaii in about a month and a half. I have five cats, the oldest of which is about 8 years. I'm figuring I can't lug five cats in carriers with me through the country, but having them sit in cargo for an entire day seems sort of severely cruel.

Is cargo an acceptable route for something like this? Am I likely to lose a cat the way the ever efficient airlines would some luggage?
Sorry, no advice on the flight, but have you looked into Hawaii's quarantine programs yet? If so, disregard, but if not, prepare yourself for anywhere from $1,000 to 5,000 dollars to quarantine all five cats, and possibly as long as a 4 month quarantine for them.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Hopefully some of our vets and vets in training are reading this thread... This post is like, WORDS, but I figure the more info the better.

Thanksgiving morning, one of our dogs started vomiting. No stomach contents were coming up, but there was a lot of retching, and she was throwing up a yellowy bubbly mucus-y mess. Rectal temp was normal. We took her to the e-vet, they palpated, felt no blockage and she had no sensitivity. They gave her an anti-emetic shot, subcutaneous fluids for dehydration, and gave us 5 days of metronidazole. The next day she passed a decent size shard of the cow hoof we gave her as a treat. After that, she seemed back to normal. No vomiting, eating well, normal bowel movements.

One week later, she developed a high fever (105.5 at it's peak) and began a near constant shivering. Bloodwork came back as normal, but with low WBC. She was tested for heartworm, lyme, and a couple other tick-borne diseases which were never named to me. All came back clear. Abdominal x-rays showed nothing too anomalous, but the vet did mention there was some thickening of the intestinal wall. She was put on doxycycline, which seemed at first to knock the fever down, but it came back by the end of the day. At that point she was hospitalized over night on iv for fluids and an antibiotic (Not sure what). Her fever broke, and she is back home with us. However, the constant shivering still remains. She's eating well, pooping well, has no fever, no signs of lethargy, no vomiting, no symptoms at all except for the shivering. The vet I spoke to when I called wasn't the one that treated her, and her only suggestion was that my dog might be nervous/excited about returning home. I appreciate that the vet wasn't familiar with her case, but at the same time, that's not a super solid guess.. I am going to get a second opinion, either at a different clinic or with a different vet at mine, but I also figured I would ask here.

Oh, also, she does not shiver while asleep, or standing up. Just laying down, and it seems to only happen when she inhales.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

HelloSailorSign posted:

I'm not a fan of intestinal wall measurements on radiographs (overall size is a different matter) I prefer ultrasound instead. Is that something you and your vet have discussed or is that not in the cards yet?
We didn't discuss it yet, but I will see what they say. Her temp was up slightly this morning again (102.9), so I am a total loss.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
He's the rear end in a top hat. It's a pet friendly building. Your pet is doing nothing wrong. If he and other neighbors were upset about excessive barking, that'd be one thing, but walking loudly? Nope.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
That sounds awful. If you need someone to take her off your hands, let me know.

Please?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Obscurity posted:

Is it worth it to get pet insurance? We're wondering if it'd be cheaper in the long run to pay for vet visits using pet insurance vs. straight out of pocket. I assume it works similar to human insurance, but I really am not well versed in either subject. If it is worth it..anyone had good experience with any, and if so can you recommend to me a good company?

Edit:

Male Shih-Tzu, neutered, around 4 years old, no known pre-existing conditions aside from a skin irritation we want to get looked at.

I looked into it a couple years ago and the consensus on consumer reports was that it only paid for itself if your dog ended up an absolute train wreck of health problems. Which means in retrospect, I should have gotten it.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Moral posted:

Well drat that really sucks. We had our heart set on getting one. Maybe we'll try out a pot belly pig, her parents used to own them and she said that they were great pets they just passed away when she was really small so she doesn't remember them a whole lot. Thanks for the info!
Not to pile it on, but it really is a bad idea. I get the desire, and I have been there, but there is a reason despite them having been domesticated for so long, that they never became companion animals. Certainly some people have success keeping them as pets, but the same could be said for lions. Pigs root and dig. That means your yard, and your carpets and hardwood floors. They are smart and social so they need a lot of companionship or they get destructive.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Essentially the nails will just have to be trimmed a small amount frequently until they are a normal length. When you cut close to the quick, the quick will 'recede' a bit. My parents' dog's nails got a bit too long and I am currently going over and clipping them a little every week.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Shadow0 posted:

I can't find any threads on ferrets, but I was reading up on them because I was thinking of getting one soon, are there any tips you guys have? Things I should know?
There was a thread but it went inactive because everyone's ferrets kept dying of insulinoma and adrenal disease.... So...

Good luck!

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

lenoon posted:

he is gone

Condolences. Really lovely way to lose him.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Donald Kimball posted:

Are there truly any effective treatments aside from anti-histamines? At what point is a vet visit in order?
Vet visit is in order at this point. Aside from antihistamines, the most common treatment for allergies is an immunosuppressant like atopica. Unless of course it turns out to be a food allergy.
But yeah, vet visit is definitely the next step - I am not suggesting the dog is in terrible pain, but I certainly wouldn't wanna be itchy and covered in scabs.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

ArmadilloConspiracy posted:

I got a new dog, yesterday. So far they get along pretty well, but a couple of times, our original dog (spayed female, 5) has sort of snapped in the new dog (neutered male, 4)'s general direction. There was no growling/barking, no hackles raising, no lips pulled back to show teeth, and the only actual contact made was when she bumped him with her nose. Every time, he has just sort of backed off without argument or complaint. It happened once when he wasn't paying attention and bumped into her during a walk, and twice when he got close to the container where we keep the food. (We also place her bowl on top of it when we feed her, but one of these times her bowl had been put away.)

Half of what I'm reading says this is completely fine/normal/them working out what the boundaries are, and the other half is saying this is A Problem. Should I be worried, or is this just fine as long as it doesn't escalate?

They're both sighthounds, if that matters.
Sounds fine so far. Obviously if it escalates, reassess, but this is pretty tame sounding so far. My two got into a couple nasty snarling and snapping fights the first couple days, and are thick as thieves now.

Read up on introducing though, if you haven't already.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Eponine posted:

So our dog got Kennel Cough and luckily has been responding well to antibiotics and cough suppressants, but what our vet told us was that the Bordetella vaccine is like the flu vaccine, they guess at the strains that are going around and it's not comprehensive.
Specifically, kennel cough is a loose term that encompasses a bunch of different bacterial and/or viral infections. Bordetella is the most common cause however.

And then yeah, even if it's the organism that has been vaccinated against, it can still fail on occasion.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

keykey posted:

Can anyone recommend flea meds other than Frontline Plus? We've used FLP for years and it seems to not be working at all for the past 6 months. I'm not opposed to going to either a monthly topical between shoulder blades or even trying chewables. As far as price, I'm cool with paying up to $60 a month just to get rid of the little fuckers. We have pest control service as well, but we live in the country on 20 open acres meaning our dogs and other dogs in the area often associate with each other... Soooo that also provides an extra challenge.
This is strictly anecdotal, but we switched from Frontline to Sentry last year, and we noticed a huge difference in effectiveness. It's the same active ingredient as Frontline (Fipronil) but we have had a lot more luck with it. I should point out we have never had a flea issue, we are treating for ticks more than anything.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

micropath posted:

I plan to, but it'll be Tuesday before I can do that since the vet is closed until then. Just thinking of something to do in the meantime.
A cone might keep her away from it. Sometimes they can still get at their front feet though if they are determined.

If you can soak the foot, that'd be a good start before she sees the vet. Warm water with povidone iodine works well. Put in just enough iodine to get the water tea-colored.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Semisponge posted:

How often should I get my cat's butt squeezed
Unless they are bothering the cat, never. Some places (Banfield) treat it as a routine thing, but if the glands are functioning properly, expressing them is unnecessary and always carries with it the (slight) risk of rupturing them.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Semisponge posted:

She's had an infected/abcessed gland twice now. The second time instead of blowing out a massive hole next to her anus it somehow tunneled to the anus itself so I ended up accidentally squeezing out a massive amount of pus/anal juice out of a tiny red spot while trying to figure out why she kept licking her butthole so much. Holy gently caress that was gross.

Oh, that's definitely a different story then if your cat has a history of issues, and best answered by the vet who has treated the past abscesses and knows the specifics of your cat.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

sheri posted:

My dog needs surgery to remove a growth on his butt. He also has a heart murmur and is 9 years old.

We took him to a specialist and had an echo cardiogram and chest xray done. The murmur is due to a very slight leaky valve. The structure of the heart looks great. The specialist said she sees no issues with getting the surgery.

This isn't a life or death surgery he needs, just something that might become an issue for him in the future w/r/t pooping and discomfort. While I'm comforted by what the testing told us, I'm still nervous about an older dog and anesthesia. My vet uses what looks like not injectable stuff for anesthetics (isofluorane gas is what is listed on estimate) and they use EKG, blood pressure, pulse ox, co2 monitors while surgery is undergoing, which I think is safer than some other methods?


Any thoughts? Is this any riskier than a dog without a murmur undergoing surgery with the information we got from our tests and the monitoring provided?

It is by definition a little riskier, but it's certainly not uncommon to anesthetize a dog with a murmur. As long as a specialist has cleared it and the bloodwork checks out, we put murmur dogs under even for noncritical stuff like dental cleanings.

The equipment you mentioned is pretty standard, except for the capnograph, which at least in my area is pretty uncommon, so it's a good sign if your vet has invested in one. I'm not saying that one device drastically improves safety or anything, but it suggests they take surgical monitoring seriously.

Just understand that there is always, always a risk with anesthesia, and make sure you trust the specialist and the vet staff that will be doing it.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Blenheim posted:

I have an 8-yr.-old giant breed dog (Greater Swiss Mtn. Dog, ~110 lbs.) who's been diagnosed with cruciate breakdown in one knee (with some arthritic changes in said knee). I basically have two options: A) an extracapsular repair at a vet who specializes in the technique and who offers rehab, and B) a TPLO at a vet who offers no after-surgery rehab/care. (I have had good experiences with, and trust, both vets.) While I like A's thorough rehab program and followup, and he's been the more responsive vet, I'm leaning more toward B at this point, as most of the feedback I'm getting (other vets, other dog owners, internet research) indicates that that an extracapsular repair doesn't have a good chance of taking with this size dog. (The TPLO vet says with the 30-degree tibial plateau angle that my dog has, an extracapsular would be "fighting physics too much".)

I have a couple concerns, though:

1) I see a few folks who had larger breeds opted for the extracapsular anyway due to the surgery being "less invasive." What're the risks of the "more invasive" aspect of the TPLO? I've heard some concerns about infection, but otherwise, this issue seems largely unexplained.

2) B vet and a family-friend vet to whom I spoke mentioned that under certain circumstances, it's better for dogs not to have cruciate surgery, but they both subsequently kind of went off in several different directions when I asked for more details. What are the scenarios where a dog with arthritis in one knee is "better off" not undergoing surgery? She's not that compromised (right now): she's a little slow to get up and stumbles slightly on occasion, but that's it; otherwise, she's still active. My concern is her losing function: I don't want to gently caress things up by _not_ giving her surgery when she most likely needs it. (On the other hand, when I ask about her possible condition post-op from B, I get hedging like "hey, if your dog is OK just sleeping on the porch and being slower, what's it matter?". I don't want "oh, well, she's kinda lame?Whatever" to be their yardstick for "better.")

Thanks for any help.
(Not a vet)

1) More complicated surgery, more possibility for complications - Infection, longer healing time, more scar tissue in the joint, more hardware going into the joint.
2) Your dog might be a pretty decent example of such a scenario. Large breed in its twilight years who isn't really favoring it that much. The best case scenario with surgery is still a couple months of the leg being worse than it sounds like it is now before fully healing. The worst case is the leg maybe never get back to 100% anyways (my dog's first tplo healed beautifully, the second one still bothers her from time to time), or the months of recovery where she's weight bearing on 3 legs, she ends up degrading her other possibly already arthritic joints.

Not trying to talk you out of it of course, just offering a little additional info. Absolutely might be the best course for your dog.

Slugworth fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 17, 2015

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

dalstrs posted:

My gf's mom was going on this spiel about desexing animals (what she calls spaying and neutering) and it causing diseases and other issues in animals as they get older. She cited hip dysplasia and Cushing's (which I thought were probably caused by the selective breeding of the animals). She cited this webpage

I googled around, but everything was about the importance of getting the animals fixed (which she agrees with just doing vasectomies or tying tubes).

Is there really anything to what she is saying or does are there any sources I can show her that shows it's bs so I don't have to hear the spiel anymore?
It is linked to obesity for sure, and the diseases that accompany obesity, but the advantages far outweigh the cons. One less system that can get cancer, no pyometra, etc.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Goddamn that's a cool looking cat.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Depending on the lab that processed tbe blood, it could also be SDMA, which is being touted as the new early alert value for kidney failure.

Either way, catching a kidney value when it's just barely higher than normal is a pretty decent prognosis. All kidney disease is progressive, but the earlier you catch it, the more controllable it is. With proper care, you're hopefully not looking at much of a decrease in lifespan.

And good on you for doing the blood work - It doesn't make you a worry wart, it makes you a responsible pet owner. Old pets should get annual/biannual blood work for just this reason.

Slugworth fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jan 3, 2016

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Sekhmet posted:

the reference range for SDMA goes up to 14. IDEXX is the only place that runs it. 2.1 is the top end of the reference range for most labs for creatinine in cats. This always has to be taken in light of the urine specific gravity...a creatinine of 1.9 in a cat with a USG of 1.014 is going to raise some flags for me even though it's still technically in the reference range, whereas a creatinine of 2.2 in a cat with a USG of 1.060 isn't going to worry me for his kidneys, though he certainly needs some fluids if they are to stay healthy!
Thanks for the clarification, I suck at remembering reference ranges.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Cholmondeley posted:

I have a 7yo Coonhound that just had a malignant melanoma removed from one of his toes, along with the toe. The surgeon informed us that due to the advanced stage of the tumor, it's highly likely to have metastasized, and, untreated, he probably has less than a year left.
The two treatment options she mentioned, either chemo, or a vaccine called Oncept, are really expensive, but don't seem to improve his chances of survival much, if at all.
I'm really at a loss here... I want to do the right thing, but I just don't see the point in putting him through chemo, if he's not going to live much longer, either way.
Anyone have experience with any of these options ?
Expense is certainly a consideration, but chemo in animals is much less aggressive than in humans - You shouldn't really look at it as 'putting him through chemo' as they generally don't have nearly the same side effects as humans on chemo. They are generally pretty happy dogs.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Labs especially are lipoma factories. Every old lab feels like a sack of potatoes. That being said, every lump should always be evaluated by a vet, and if they begin to affect mobility or the dog's comfort, they should be removed.

As far as vaccines go, there are definitely animal anti-vaxxers. In cats, there actually is a slight risk of vaccine related sarcomas, but I haven't heard of any such issue with dogs. Some dogs do have vaccine reactions, but seldom anything that can't be treated with benadryl. We have a few animals in our clinic that aren't vaccinated however, because of extreme vaccine reactions.

There is a zero percent chance however that the masses on that dog were caused by vaccines.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
This would be answered instantly by the herp thread.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Owner of a bilateral TPLO dog here, she's doing great 4 years after her surgeries (which were about 6 months apart). You already know about exercise restriction and careful rehab, but it's even more important the second time around, since the other knee is already compromised on some level.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Obvious guesses would be wounds from a fight or she is definitely someone's pet and they had a mass removed. Not really many other reasons to have to suture that area.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
It's absolutely possible that her cat got a vaccine associated sarcoma. It's not necessarily a great reason to never vaccinate an animal again though. My dog developed IMHA a few weeks after receiving Lyme and lepto vaccines, and it's very possible they caused it, but my other dog will continue to get vaccines because they help more than they harm. People aren't insane to believe that there are occasional risks associated with them though, it's all pretty well documented.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Unforgiven posted:

My question is, has anyone had experience with medical management? I've just graduated pharmacy school, and am quite literally broke. I can't swing the $3500 for surgery, so NSAIDs it is, at least for now. On the other hand, I've read surgery only has around 50% success rate. Any words of advice?
Strictly anecdotally, I'd be shocked if the success rate is really that low - Our clinic for the past few years has a 100% success rate, and I don't think our surgeon or our technique (securos) is anything extraordinary.

We have patients who are medically managing, all to varying levels of success. I'll say the bigger the dog, the less successful.

For the poster above me - There are a few different techniques of varying cost. 3500 is pretty par for the course around here for TPLO.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Joint supplements might help as well. They are of questionable benefit, but a lot of (rational) people swear they help their pets, and they are cheap and harmless.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Seconding that that is an absolutely insane price for a cleaning and 2 extractions. Like, well over 3 times more than it would cost at our clinic, which isn't itself the cheapest place.

As for the wild animals comment, I'll never understand why people have this idea that animals in the wild are like, a model of health. Right, only animals kept in clean, healthy environments get sick.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

54 40 or gently caress posted:

I do live in Ontario, Canada and we have some pretty notoriously high prices. High enough that some people will actually bring their pets to the states to get fixed. I called one of the vet hospitals and they quoted me at around 2500 as well, but obviously they can't say for sure without seeing the dog. I believe that's with cleaning, anaesthetic and extraction so I wonder if they could just get the extraction sans cleaning which really drives up the price.
Any care is better than none of course, but for what it's worth, doing extractions without cleaning in a mouth as diseased as you're describing is less than ideal. It's basically a surgical site next to an ongoing infection.

I'll also warn that while the vet is currently aware of two extractions, there's no great way of knowing what you've got on your hands until the dog is under anesthesia. Based on what you're describing seeing, I'd be surprised if the extraction number stays at 2.

No clue how involved a process it would be, but honestly, a trip south of the border sounds like a pretty good solution here. Even keeping in mind the us dollar is a bit stronger, the price difference is just shocking. I think it's great you care so much about your friend's dog, btw, and I don't mean to sound negative. Whatever you can get your friend to do for the dog is better than the current plan.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Start with Dasuquin for a few months. It's stupidly expensive compared to just standard supplements from the store, but supposedly has more bioavailability for dogs. Once you've established that it does seem to help your dog, then switch over to cheaper stuff and see if you still get the same results.

Doing it this way is better than starting with cheap stuff, because if the cheap stuff doesn't work, you may get the false impression that gluc/chon just doesn't work for your dog.

Then again, of course, some dogs don't seem to respond at all to any of it anyways.

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
It appears to be healing nicely, I wouldn't bother with antibiotics. But yeah, most doctors in this situation would dispense them if you asked. Starting antibiotics at a time when your pup is already stressed could lead to GI upset though, and if he wises up to his pills being hidden in food/treats, a kennel may not be able to pill a difficult dog anyway.

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