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Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Pillbug

Matt Zerella posted:

He can run the server on his gaming rig.

NAS -> PC (Plex) -> TV

Sorry, I don't know how I missed that. Yes, that will work. If you find yourself being annoyed by using your gaming computer as a Plex server you can always upgrade that aspect of things while not having to replace your NAS or TV.

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bobfather
Sep 20, 2001

I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

The Gunslinger posted:

Any reason I shouldn't go with a Ryzen 1700 for a new custom NAS/VM build? I have some credit on my Newegg account so I can get the processor for like $100. I'm looking at the specs and benchmarks, seems pretty nice. 8 cores, 16 threads, decent clocks, good feature set, etc. I know it's massive overkill but I want it to survive the 4k era if possible and I really want to more with VMs at home. I also run a Plex server for 8-10 friends/family and its been choking a bit lately.
I was looking at Intels latest but gave myself a headache figuring out the feature set differences between chips.

The only real negative I can see for Ryzen is the IOMMU performance has some hiccups in VMs.

RAM is expensive as heck right now, which is why for my new VM box I went with a Xeon E5-2650 v2 (which is 8c, 16t like the Ryzen 1700) with 48GB of ECC RAM. It was a used Lenovo S30 workstation. Cost me like $430 shipped.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE


My pair of 2011 vintage Hitachi 2TB drives have started making the occasional ominous clicking noise for no apparent reason, and while SMART's still reporting no problems I figure it's about time to replace them. In my new computer build I've noticed that the drives are usually louder than the fans and in a fairly obnoxious way too, so I'm thinking I'll get a small NAS with a pair of RAID1 4TB drives to keep my bulk storage on and have the computer be SSD only. So... Synology DS218+ seems to be the cool thing at the moment, yes? I don't really have any old hardware sitting around I could build my own from and I don't need that much functionality, I just want to hoard a bunch of music/photos/scanned documents/other junk and maybe back the super important irreplaceable stuff up to an external drive occasionally for extra safety.

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb

TheFluff posted:

back the super important irreplaceable stuff up to an external drive occasionally for extra safety.

I wouldn't consider that a backup. A proper backup should protect you from theft, fire, ransomware, hardware failures, etc. For the irreplaceable stuff, definitely use one or more cloud backup solutions (in addition to your NAS + external drive). External drives in particular are notoriously unreliable.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE


fletcher posted:

I wouldn't consider that a backup. A proper backup should protect you from theft, fire, ransomware, hardware failures, etc. For the irreplaceable stuff, definitely use one or more cloud backup solutions (in addition to your NAS + external drive). External drives in particular are notoriously unreliable.

I already have cloud backup, I just want to add suspenders to my belt by adding more places to keep the truly irreplaceable stuff.

thetzar
Apr 22, 2001


Fallen Rib

So there's a lot of talk about using a NAS vs desktop-class drive in a NAS box, and I'd like to cut through some of it. I have a 4-Bay Synology 918+, with 3 4tb NAS drives in it. I'm upgrading my desktop storage to a 6tb internal drive, and now have a perfectly good spare 4tb WD Black drive. Am I realistically going to have any problems just throwing it into my spare bay in the Synology?

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.


fletcher posted:

I wouldn't consider that a backup... External drives in particular are notoriously unreliable.

Yet we're all notoriously/ironically shucking WD Easy Store External drives to throw into our NAS

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

eightysixed posted:

Yet we're all notoriously/ironically shucking WD Easy Store External drives to throw into our NAS

To be fair, that's because a specific line was stuffing high-end WD Reds in them instead of the usual poo poo-tier Green rejects or white-label rando drives that usually inhabit externals.

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.


Yeah, I get it - I'm with you. But I had to tongue-in-cheek that one

PUBLIC TOILET
Jun 13, 2009



Could someone tell me what an ideal layout would be for a personal Windows storage server? I've looked at FreeNAS but I'm not ready to make that leap yet (especially when their bhive virtualization is still being worked on.) My thought has been:

  • Bare-metal installation of Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2016 (installed to an SSD, configured to make routine backups of itself to another SSD.)
  • HDDs (storage) configured as JBOD passed through to a VM
  • VM is Windows Server 2016 (with a Storage Space configured to use the JBOD HDDs.)
  • Storage Space is managed through the VM (NTFS or ReFS?)

I imagine the biggest issue here (aside from using Windows) would be the pass-through of the disks to the VM. This would make the physical disks and Storage Space unavailable to any other VM or the physical host, correct? Is this a sensible approach for a home lab?

Harik
Sep 9, 2001


Out of curiosity - anyone moving data off their NAS at better than Gig-E? Borderline question between here and the networking thread, but I figure the people here would be more relevant to what kind of performance you can expect from ebay'd gear. Specifically looking at 40gb infiniband gear because it's so cheap, and since the use is linux to linux use NFS/RDMA.

admiraldennis
Jul 22, 2003

I am the stone that builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration
That made lady sing the blues


Ramrod XTreme

Harik posted:

Out of curiosity - anyone moving data off their NAS at better than Gig-E? Borderline question between here and the networking thread, but I figure the people here would be more relevant to what kind of performance you can expect from ebay'd gear. Specifically looking at 40gb infiniband gear because it's so cheap, and since the use is linux to linux use NFS/RDMA.

Yeah - I use a 40GbE link between my NAS and my gaming PC (pair of Mellanox ConnectX-3); and a 10GbE link between my NAS and my MacBook Pro (using Chelsio T520-CR - has great Mac drivers; there's no cheap used market for 40GbE cards for Mac). All eBay gear. I'm using Ethernet not Infiniband.

If you're just streaming media for consumption, Gigabit is totally sufficient, even for 4k. But if you want to access project files (e.g. video editing, video game assets, etc), run games, run VMs, etc directly from your NAS, 10GbE minimum is much nicer. I run all of my games (and large projects) directly off of the NAS, and it's pretty great overall.

My pool consists of 2x raid-z2 of 6x 8TB WD Red Drives. FWIW, CrystalDiskMark numbers over 40GbE look like this:


(SMB)


(iSCSI)

I access most of my stuff via SMB to gain the benefits of having the files directly on zfs. I keep a few things on an iSCSI NTFS volume that don't like being on a network share (certain games in particular). This mostly works well, except that Windows (10) doesn't always cleanly reconnect to the network share, particularly at startup. iSCSI is never a problem. Not sure why

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Harik
Sep 9, 2001


admiraldennis posted:

Yeah - I use a 40GbE link between my NAS and my gaming PC (pair of Mellanox ConnectX-3); and a 10GbE link between my NAS and my MacBook Pro (using Chelsio T520-CR - has great Mac drivers; there's no cheap used market for 40GbE cards for Mac). All eBay gear. I'm using Ethernet not Infiniband.

If you're just streaming media for consumption, Gigabit is totally sufficient, even for 4k. But if you want to access project files (e.g. video editing, video game assets, etc), run games, run VMs, etc directly from your NAS, 10GbE minimum is much nicer. I run all of my games (and large projects) directly off of the NAS, and it's pretty great overall.

Agreed there, most of my streaming is over wireless to fire sticks so obviously gig-e is sufficient for that. It's the project work (huge datasets/video editing/etc) that I want to speed up.

admiraldennis posted:

My pool consists of 2x raid-z2 of 6x 8TB WD Red Drives. FWIW, CrystalDiskMark numbers over 40GbE look like this:

Holy hell, those sequential speeds approach my NVMe. Gets killed on random, as expected, but that's some massive bandwidth. Thanks for confirming it's viable.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of death: Pretentiousness


Can anyone recommend a backup solution that allows for scheduled backups and works with a Synology NAS? Right now I'm using Cloud Station Backup to backup some folders in "C:\Users\MyName..." but CS Backup won't let me filter out subfolders that I don't need and I feel like it also writes to the NAS constantly which I'm also not a big fan of as I imagine that wear and tear can't be great.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE


Incessant Excess posted:

Can anyone recommend a backup solution that allows for scheduled backups and works with a Synology NAS? Right now I'm using Cloud Station Backup to backup some folders in "C:\Users\MyName..." but CS Backup won't let me filter out subfolders that I don't need and I feel like it also writes to the NAS constantly which I'm also not a big fan of as I imagine that wear and tear can't be great.

I use Duplicati 2 to just backup to a folder on the NAS I've got mapped as a network drive, and it's great. The user interface is kinda clunky, but the actual backing up is really smooth compared to my previous solution (CrashPlan). Crashplan would re-scan all 500GB of backup sources all the time, it was really slow in general, the interface got quite a bit worse over time and it was written in Java so it ate a bunch of memory and was generally obnoxious.

I've also heard good things about Arq, which looks a bit friendlier.

TheFluff fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2018 around 15:12

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003

Oh my god...

Lipstick Apathy

Incessant Excess posted:

Can anyone recommend a backup solution that allows for scheduled backups and works with a Synology NAS? Right now I'm using Cloud Station Backup to backup some folders in "C:\Users\MyName..." but CS Backup won't let me filter out subfolders that I don't need and I feel like it also writes to the NAS constantly which I'm also not a big fan of as I imagine that wear and tear can't be great.

Assuming you're on Windows 8 or later, the built-in File History works fine for me. Just make sure to set a quota on the share you point it at, because it'll happily fill your entire NAS if you don't.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


I feel like File History is a thing that more non-nerds should know about and use. It's just kind of hidden, which is a shame, because it's great.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Its OK, it does back up files. It isn't Time Machine. MS should take backups more seriously.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

Thermopyle posted:

I feel like File History is a thing that more non-nerds should know about and use. It's just kind of hidden, which is a shame, because it's great.
I haven't really used Windows much in years: how is it different than their old Shadow Copy stuff?

In the meantime I guess I'll hunt for a white paper on it.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

It just copies the user profile folders to a 2nd backup hard drive on a schedule. Thats about it.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


It's just automatic backup, but if people would just know to turn it on it's easy and a no brainer.

lurksion
Mar 21, 2013


What's the best way to go about cleaning up periodic ZFS snapshots on FreeNAS? I just realized that apparently something like 50% of my used space is due to overly-aggressive snapshots that I set up when I built this 2.5 years ago.

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Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


lurksion posted:

What's the best way to go about cleaning up periodic ZFS snapshots on FreeNAS? I just realized that apparently something like 50% of my used space is due to overly-aggressive snapshots that I set up when I built this 2.5 years ago.

Farm it out to a separate application (google "ZFS snapshot management"), no comment on which you should prefer but this is one of those problems that is solved already and you just need to define your retention rules.

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Harik
Sep 9, 2001


I'd like to add that the space used is almost entirely about the retention length, not density of snapshots. I haven't used ZFS, but most snapshot systems have very little overhead, it's almost entirely taken up by files you've deleted since then.

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