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Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

Reasier posted:

Is there a preferred brand of HDs for NAS? I just need 2x 6-10TB drives. I have WD Reds and have had no issues for like 4 years but need more space.

Get something designed for 24/7 operation with the longest available warranty, likely 5 years.

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sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

huhu posted:

I'm wondering if folks could recommend me an alternative here for cloud storage? I don't really need a fancy setup, would prefer offsite. I only need about 300GB of storage.

I set up a Hetzner storage box recently. It's not very user friendly* but it's also €3.84 a month for 1TB of storage and unlimited traffic. I use Kopia to do the actual backups.

*You get limited shell access (and various other protocols) to a linux box with the storage, the rest is an exercise for the reader

Keito
Jul 21, 2005

WHAT DO I CHOOSE ?

sinky posted:

I set up a Hetzner storage box recently. It's not very user friendly* but it's also €3.84 a month for 1TB of storage and unlimited traffic. I use Kopia to do the actual backups.

*You get limited shell access (and various other protocols) to a linux box with the storage, the rest is an exercise for the reader

This looks tempting, I'm currently paying twice that per month for roughly the same amount of B2 storage.

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.
In TrueNAS Scale Electric Eel 24.10.2.1 I'm looking to expand my 14TBx6 RaidZ2 vdev to 14TBx8 by adding two more drives. Is this as simple as adding the drives in one at a time and clicking the expand button in the UI and waiting a really long time? Since my motherboard only has 6 SATA inputs I'm going to be using a PCI-E to SATA adapter card. Could that cause any issues? I have also read about ZFS rebalancing which basically involves rewriting all of the old data after the expansion under the new parity-to-data ratio. Is that something that still needs to be done manually, or would help? Like this script here: https://github.com/markusressel/zfs-inplace-rebalancing Is this again just a matter of running the .sh file once and waiting a really really long time? Thanks for any help

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

Basically yes. For me expansion was slow but it went faster when I increased some cache sizes.

Rewriting the data gets you more space back, so that could be done to largest datasets at least.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Eh, 25.04 was released and AFAIK it contains the changes that significantly speed up RAID-Z expansion. Unless you're using VMs (because there's no converter to this Incus stuff), I'd consider upgrading TrueNAS first before expanding.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I upgraded to 24.10 and CPU usage has gone down a bit, corresponding to less power use... need to run it on a kill-a-watt for a week to see what kind of power use we're looking at :v:

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

Ihmemies posted:

Basically yes. For me expansion was slow but it went faster when I increased some cache sizes.

Rewriting the data gets you more space back, so that could be done to largest datasets at least.

Combat Pretzel posted:

Eh, 25.04 was released and AFAIK it contains the changes that significantly speed up RAID-Z expansion. Unless you're using VMs (because there's no converter to this Incus stuff), I'd consider upgrading TrueNAS first before expanding.

Thanks for the tips. I was experimenting with some VMs earlier, but I don't have any critical ones I'm using at the moment. I'll upgrade to the newest train and look into increasing the cache sizes then.

deong
Jun 13, 2001

I'll see you in heck!
Hey, so I have Synology DS423+ on DSM 7.2.2. Currently I have 3 14TB drives shucked from WD Elements (WD141x1/WD140x2) using SHR.
I'm wanting to increase my pool, but with all the synology news, how much do I need to worry about drive brands?

I'd like to pick up a 20TB and then eventually step up one of my current 14TB drives to match giving me 2x20TB/2x14TB. Is there a current list of compatable drives? Should I stick with WD Reds? I was looking at https://serverpartdeals.com/ to price it out.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

A Bag of Milk posted:

Thanks for the tips. I was experimenting with some VMs earlier, but I don't have any critical ones I'm using at the moment. I'll upgrade to the newest train and look into increasing the cache sizes then.

There should be no need to touch the cache settings in 25.04. I don’t know how they achieved this thing mentioned in patch notes, but it should now be fast enough:

5X Acceleration of the RAID-Z expansion process lets you make use of added capacity with less wait

E. https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/16819

Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 21, 2025

Melp
Feb 26, 2004

You know the drill.

Combat Pretzel posted:

Eh, 25.04 was released and AFAIK it contains the changes that significantly speed up RAID-Z expansion. Unless you're using VMs (because there's no converter to this Incus stuff), I'd consider upgrading TrueNAS first before expanding.

You should be able to import your KVM VMs into Incus directly. You may need to mess with drivers inside the VMs before upgrading, i.e. moving network to virtio.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

deong posted:

Hey, so I have Synology DS423+ on DSM 7.2.2. Currently I have 3 14TB drives shucked from WD Elements (WD141x1/WD140x2) using SHR.
I'm wanting to increase my pool, but with all the synology news, how much do I need to worry about drive brands?

I'd like to pick up a 20TB and then eventually step up one of my current 14TB drives to match giving me 2x20TB/2x14TB. Is there a current list of compatable drives? Should I stick with WD Reds? I was looking at https://serverpartdeals.com/ to price it out.
The latest news is for buying new + models so you already experience the full brunt of how annoying it is without it being mandatory. As long as you can stick it in and get it recognized, SHR will eat it in a RAID1 sort of way and poop out space.

WD Red is safe enough. I think we've had the same debate 16 times in the past couple pages about how you can get away with less depending on use pattern or how often you want to switch stuff out.

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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Ihmemies posted:

There should be no need to touch the cache settings in 25.04. I don’t know how they achieved this thing mentioned in patch notes, but it should now be fast enough
Bumping the fetch size from ashift to 16MB basically.

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