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Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Best Buy has the 14TB Easystore for $189. I think it's part of their rolling pre-black friday deals.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...p?skuId=6425303

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Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


Rexxed posted:

Best Buy has the 14TB Easystore for $189. I think it's part of their rolling pre-black friday deals.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...p?skuId=6425303

Was just about to post this. Woke up to an email from my deal alerts at like midnight because of it.

Welp, 4x12tb are getting returned, 4x14tb inbound.

This is also the best price on the 14tb drives from what I can tell. Previous low was $199.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

Still like $800 in Canada, sigh.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

If Godzilla can do it, you know I can deliver!


Pillbug

If you are looking at a NUC, consider a Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro instead. Cheaper, just as modular and powerful, socketed CPU, M.2 slot + 2.5" SATA + tons of USB 3.0 ports.

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002



tuyop posted:

Still like $800 in Canada, sigh.

Thunderbird 1 to the rescue!

Rooted Vegetable posted:

Amazon Canada has a 14TB WD My book for CAD$319

That's $22.78571428 per terabyte.
(Best I've ever seen in Canada was the $130 8TB WD Elements at $16.25/TB)

It's about CAD$3/TB extra for being in Canada, but is otherwise reasonably similar to the Easystore

Brain Issues
Dec 16, 2004

lol

Rexxed posted:

Best Buy has the 14TB Easystore for $189. I think it's part of their rolling pre-black friday deals.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...p?skuId=6425303

Thanks man, I almost bought one last night for $279 from Amazon. So glad I waited this time. Just got two.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

"You are the best poster... do not let anyone say otherwise."


Rexxed posted:

Best Buy has the 14TB Easystore for $189. I think it's part of their rolling pre-black friday deals.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...p?skuId=6425303
Shiiiiiit. That's less than what a 4tb drive costs here.

This seems like a local issue but, no joke, the 4TB drives (even Barracudas and Reds and what not), are more expensive than the 4TB HGST Ultrastar I bought 3 years ago. I get that it's not the best value capacity any more but it doesn't get much better at 6 or 8, and 14TB is at least $450. I thought Thailand was under water again, but the cave boys were at least a year or two agao

Do you just harvest the drives or use them as is? Seems like a good source for cheaper disks but then you probably lose the warranty which is a bummer.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


mobby_6kl posted:

Shiiiiiit. That's less than what a 4tb drive costs here.

This seems like a local issue but, no joke, the 4TB drives (even Barracudas and Reds and what not), are more expensive than the 4TB HGST Ultrastar I bought 3 years ago. I get that it's not the best value capacity any more but it doesn't get much better at 6 or 8, and 14TB is at least $450. I thought Thailand was under water again, but the cave boys were at least a year or two agao

Do you just harvest the drives or use them as is? Seems like a good source for cheaper disks but then you probably lose the warranty which is a bummer.

You shuck em. Aka crack open the hard exterior for their juicy disk interior. Then you throw away everything that isn't the hard drive.

THF13
Sep 26, 2007

Keep an adversary in the dark about what you're capable of, and he has to assume the worst.


H110Hawk posted:

You shuck em. Aka crack open the hard exterior for their juicy disk interior. Then you throw away everything that isn't the hard drive.

Most of these will be WD whites which are basically Reds, but most whites will adhere to the SATA spec to reset the drive with 3.3v power. There's a few ways to avoid this, simplest being taping over the pins, but the better way I think is to get a 4 way sata power splitter and physically remove the wire closest to the "L" on the connector.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





mobby_6kl posted:

Do you just harvest the drives or use them as is? Seems like a good source for cheaper disks but then you probably lose the warranty which is a bummer.

At least in the US, opening a device is no longer valid grounds to void a warranty.

Brain Issues
Dec 16, 2004

lol

THF13 posted:

Most of these will be WD whites which are basically Reds, but most whites will adhere to the SATA spec to reset the drive with 3.3v power. There's a few ways to avoid this, simplest being taping over the pins, but the better way I think is to get a 4 way sata power splitter and physically remove the wire closest to the "L" on the connector.

I've shucked 7 of these so far and all of them have worked in my Synology without any modifications needed.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

System Access Node Not Found



IOwnCalculus posted:

At least in the US, opening a device is no longer valid grounds to void a warranty.
Strictly speaking, it's been illegal in the US since 1975 with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - FTC just warned companies about their illegal practices.

The European Union has a directive which basically amounts to two years of RMA rights, unless the device is intentionally damaged - and opening it doesn't count as intentional damage.
Individual member countries have had similar laws for a lot longer.

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 29, 2020

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

Brain Issues posted:

I've shucked 7 of these so far and all of them have worked in my Synology without any modifications needed.
I'm at 24 shucked. Built 2x 8-drive Synology NAS', plus an 8-drive array for my shop FreeNAS install. No issues at all with any of them, other than needing tape on the pins in the FreeNAS box. That's a screaming deal, and if I didn't have all 10TB drives, I'd be buying.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


Yeah, I have shucked about 20 between personal use and helping a friend build out a NAS as well. Zero issues.

Buff Hardback
Jun 11, 2019



To be clear, either throw away all the shells, or keep track of which drive went with which shell. WD gets touchy but accepts a bare drive for warranty work, but it turns into a whole thing if you inadvertently mix up the drive and the shell and they think you’re trying to defraud them.

Not recommended.

Ika
Dec 30, 2004
Pure insanity



^^^^ Don't the shells have the drive SN printed on them?




Speaking of which I picked up a new 12TB mybook (14TB have never been under 280 euros here), and wanted to do a low level surface scan over USB before shucking it. I thought I'd use the NAS directly this time instead of attaching it to my main PC - but both the SMART attribute and SMART test buttons are greyed out in the USB device tab. How do I fix this? The drive is formatted as ext4 since I didn't want to buy the exFAT package.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

Ika posted:

^^^^ Don't the shells have the drive SN printed on them?

They do. I go a step farther and put the last 4 of the SN on the drive cage.

Ika
Dec 30, 2004
Pure insanity



sharkytm posted:

They do. I go a step farther and put the last 4 of the SN on the drive cage.

You mean the adaptor board? That's a good idea, I just toss that in the shell, put the shell in the box, and dump that in storage.

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.


I just got an empty Synology 8 bay NAS and I'm curious what the best drive is to get for these. I'm not really constrained by budget... My current NAS is about 8tb total and I'd like to increase that capacity significantly.

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002



Probably WD Red Pros or Seagate IronWolfs if you're not hugely motivated by budget. I've taken that to mean, most suitable product. Both are intended for the NAS and Enterprise Storage use case.

In Canada, 10TB ironwolfs are on sale for CAD$362 on Amazon. But they are still more than a 14TB drive you shuck (see my post a few up).

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009

System Access Node Not Found



There's very little point in WD Red Pro for only 8 bays, and the fact that they generate more noise, heat, and take more power kinda speaks against it too.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Gyshall posted:

I just got an empty Synology 8 bay NAS and I'm curious what the best drive is to get for these. I'm not really constrained by budget... My current NAS is about 8tb total and I'd like to increase that capacity significantly.

Scroll up and get your shuck game on. Toss in a cheap ssd as a read cache. Unless you have absurd performance needs 5400 rpm shucked disks are going to be fine.

Pardot
Jul 25, 2001


Do you not have to worry about the bad drive tech with the easy stores?

Hughlander
May 11, 2005



Hughlander posted:

I probably should have asked before I pulled the trigger but...

Anyone have experience with NVME L2Arc with large datasets of spinning rust? I'm about to add a 1TB NVME for 120TB of 5400RPM storage and I think it should just be partition the nvme to the ratio of the two pools I care about
zpool add pool1 cache /dev/nvme-partiton-1
zpool add pool2 cache /dev/nvme-partition-2

And then the part I'm not 100% sure of is I think I want:
zfs set pool1 secondarycache=metadata
zfs set pool2 secondarycache=metadata

And that will recursively set it for all datasets off of it. The main use case is that there's millions of files across the pools and backup software that wants to stat() each and every one of them takes hours to do so.

Trip report:
It's been about 3 weeks since I've done this and the backups that would take 6 hours previously
Backup for /Main-Volume/subvol-102-disk-1 at revision 188 completed
Files: 752349 total, 51,560M bytes; 6191 new, 3,298M bytes
File chunks: 15000 total, 76,588M bytes; 204 new, 1011,900K bytes, 502,940K bytes uploaded
Metadata chunks: 130 total, 643,721K bytes; 124 new, 622,320K bytes, 116,423K bytes uploaded
All chunks: 15130 total, 77,217M bytes; 328 new, 1,595M bytes, 619,363K bytes uploaded
Total running time: 00:23:38

Are now taking 23 minutes.

bizwank
Oct 4, 2002



4x 14TB Easystores on the way, replacing 4x 8TB with less than a TB free. Will be nice to have some breathing room again.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

Pardot posted:

Do you not have to worry about the bad drive tech with the easy stores?

Only the small ones. Sub-8TB, iirc.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


bizwank posted:

4x 14TB Easystores on the way, replacing 4x 8TB with less than a TB free. Will be nice to have some breathing room again.

Are you planning on still using the 8tb or replacing/selling?

I'm torn on what to do with my old 8tb drives.

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002



Aware everyone's needs and opinions are different, you do you. However, I'm on the side of grind my drives to dust. Once a drive is too old, any important data is moved off it and only easily replaced data (Linux ISOs), goes on it... Until it fails.

The Linux ISOs can be replaced quickly these days so I'm not bothered about loosing them, it's barely inconvenient now.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


Yeah, I assume I am going to keep these 8tb grinding away in addition to the new drives.

I started adding some 4k ISOs to my library, something tells me I won't be rolling around in tons of free space for too long.

bizwank
Oct 4, 2002



Moey posted:

Are you planning on still using the 8tb or replacing/selling?

I'm torn on what to do with my old 8tb drives.
I've only got a 4-bay Synology so my plan is to replace them (rebuilding should be fun), but I've still got my old 4-bay sitting here so they'll probably end up in that if I can find a use for it.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



8TB Toshiba NAS drives for $160 on newegg. I'm not sure how they stack up against WD reds or shucked whites but I figured it was worth mentioning since they're 7200 RPM 256MB cache:
https://www.newegg.com/toshiba-n300...N82E16822149756
+ $30 off w/ promo code 4BKNVEC58, limited offer. Eligible for Black Friday Price Protection

They have a 3 year warranty

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





I have some Toshibas in my box, they've been largely reliable. However, I want to say that someone here went through their RMA/warranty process and got a loving gift card?

Their own warranty checker tries to throw a shitfit on the SMART-reported serial numbers on the drives I have, which is enough for me to skip buying Toshiba drives in the future unless I'm getting them so cheap I don't care about a warranty.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

How are Canadian folks getting alerts for in-stock GPUs? Got a friend excited for a 3070 but they're out everywhere.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

tuyop posted:

How are Canadian folks getting alerts for in-stock GPUs? Got a friend excited for a 3070 but they're out everywhere.

GPUs are overall a pretty poor unit of storage per $ purchase

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

priznat posted:

GPUs are overall a pretty poor unit of storage per $ purchase

Yeah but she wants a 3070

And me, I got a 5700XT this summer so I guess I might be in for flipping that soon as well after all the benchmarks and reviews are in...

Oh poo poo haha wrong thread!

tuyop fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 4, 2020

ChineseBuffet
Mar 7, 2003


IOwnCalculus posted:

Their own warranty checker tries to throw a shitfit on the SMART-reported serial numbers on the drives I have, which is enough for me to skip buying Toshiba drives in the future unless I'm getting them so cheap I don't care about a warranty.

In my experience, sometimes the serial in SMART is missing part of the serial that's on the drive itself.

insta
Jan 28, 2009


Well, I turbofucked my NAS, so now I get to start fresh.

I have 8x 6TB drives in an 8x bay so it's not going to expand drive count, but I can see myself maybe doing the "swap one at a time" upgrade to 12TB if those get 'cheap enough' later. I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have a poo poo-tier CPU and 16geebees of RAM, plus a 180GB SSD dedicated for a cache. The machine is going to store media for home Plex usage, nothing intense.

What's the best stack to organize this? It was formerly MDADM + LVM + ext4, but MDADM poo poo itself hard when I tried to grow the array from 4 to 8 and now I'm mad at it. LVM behind the scenes still seems to use MDADM if I build the array there, but I haven't tried assembling an array from scratch with all 8 drives, so I don't know how it'll hold up.

btrfs directly across the volumes? Go back to mdadm + lvm? Use lvm's raid directly?

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





If you're already maxed on drive count and thus don't care about expanding in single-drive increments, go ZFS.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


IOwnCalculus posted:

If you're already maxed on drive count and thus don't care about expanding in single-drive increments, go ZFS.

Isn't ZFS getting closer to expanding by single drive?

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DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Moey posted:

Isn't ZFS getting closer to expanding by single drive?

It's in development, but IIRC there's no real anticipated release date for it. It'll happen...eventually, but wouldn't be something I'd count on anytime soon.

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