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justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

cubicle gangster posted:

I think a freelancer subscription to poliigon is the cleanest way to go.
Many websites that sold textures that have been packaged up on torrent sites are either ultra specific (arroway etc) or so general and of such a mix in quality you probably want to avoid using them anyway.
If it's for hobby work & you're dead set on not paying for them, get megascans and do the pinkie promise that you'll only ever use them in UE4.

Cheers! I keep watching tutorials then when they say 'just download this plugin and these 16 textures' I lose interest - but making everything with nodes is a pain.


the_lion posted:

I have two simple scenes I set up in blender for work that I'm struggling to get to look better/more realistic.

Basically I have a barbecue on a photo cyc background with a HDR and some area lights lighting the scene. The BBQs are made of stainless steel. They're triangulated SketchUp models, but I'm not doing huge closeups with them.

Any advice on product rendering? I was thinking of getting a quote for someone freelance to help me out with it since I'm failing hard with it but I have idea where to look for people these days.

If you have an example image and nodes that'd be nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-point_lighting might be a good start though

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!


the_lion posted:

Any advice on product rendering?

In general, think about it like it was a photo. If you're not already.

But that should help with thinking about composition and lighting.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

I ran the Zbrush updater and now Zbrush won't open. When I click the icon or try to open the program from the program list in windows, the floppy disk icon appears like normal, but after flickering as it usually does for a few moments, it just goes away and the program doesn't load. Any ideas? My google searches are not finding others reporting the same situation. I've already tried restarting computer.

low quality jpeg
Mar 10, 2012



made a music video for my friends. rendered all of the shots in blender, mostly cycles and a few eevee. assembled some stuff in cinema 4d (cloners and volumes) and transfered via alembic. post in premiere/AE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sar3JymBC88&hd=1

Jewel
May 2, 2009



i like it! some cool shots and motifs

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!


low quality jpeg posted:

made a music video for my friends. rendered all of the shots in blender, mostly cycles and a few eevee. assembled some stuff in cinema 4d (cloners and volumes) and transfered via alembic. post in premiere/AE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sar3JymBC88&hd=1

that was fuckin cool

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I am so angry about this NFT craze that has consumed half the CG and digital artists I follow. Theyíre pumping out less than their best work for a quick buck and filling my twitter feed with new notifications every time their work resells, willfully oblivious to the gargantuan environmental cost of this BS.

Iíve just started unfollowing them but itís a shame to see such a thing spread among people who would normally describe themselves on the right side of the climate change debate. These fuckers basically inherited a coal mine a decided to keep it running for the sick payday.

Just start a Patreon you morons.

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008



Ccs posted:

Iíve just started unfollowing them but itís a shame to see such a thing spread among people who would normally describe themselves on the right side of the climate change debate.

"Only the stuff -I- don't like/benefit from is problematic. -My- specific usage is completely ok actually!" People regularly draw lines in the sand, but only just below their own current situtation.
Ugh, in a reasonable world the entire loving crypto-'business' would have been put down in it's infancy.

Twitter is also throwing even more fuel on the fire with letting you 'buy' tweets via a similar/same process. Which further validates and popularizes the concept.

Want a unique, the only copy of something to exist? Buy loving any physical product, or commission art with a contract where you get full/exclusive rights to use and distribution.
Pretty much any artist would be willing to do so if you just paid more to make up for them not retaining the reproduction rights, no need to have a loving 500-gpu cryptofarm wryyy along just to process the transaction.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I commissioned a piece from an artist recently and Iím going to be heartbroken if he joins this NFT bullshit. In the future Iíll only be commissioning from people who arenít involved in that stuff.

At this point the best thing would be if the market collapsed which removed the incentive. But bitcoin has shown that this dumb stuff has staying power.

Jewel
May 2, 2009



not only is it dumb, killing the planet, and costing a fuckload of money -- its also completely destroying the gpu market -- every new upgrade is sold out in literal seconds from bots even here in the UK (and with no physical stores open there's no other chances)

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008



Yup, the entire gpu market has been hosed over for like half a decade+ at this point because of them. Which makes it all the more frustrating that it's taken this long for Nvidia to start rolling out hash-limiting measures on their gpus. (Only the 3060 so far, hopefully it works, and hopefully they'll roll it on the 3080 ti, if that ever becomes a thing.)
It really didn't take long for the 1080 ti's ~600/700usd msrp to effectively become 1000-1200 or so. And for that pricing to then affect later generations, because why would the companies leave money lying on the table.

Imagine if the entire 20XX and 30XX series gpus were useless for mining. I wonder how the pricing and supply of them would be then. (Trick question: large chunks of the chips/foundry capacity would just go to mining-only cards, exacerbating supply issues regardless.)

Also scalping laws would be nice, in general. It would absolutely help dampen the artificial demand a bit among the current soaring shortages. Here in Norway scalping tickets is illegal, but scalping other products is perfectly legal.
It would be nice if they extended it to include all products, especially since it's not like these shortages are going to end anytime soon, and news about scalpers seems to keep bubbling into the news cycle every so often as people get more and more annoyed.

Jewel
May 2, 2009



I know that UK retailers literally got, and I quote, "several hundred" of the 3060s for the entire continent of 66 million people

https://twitter.com/ScanComputers/status/1364987687304847367

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

Oh? You're
approaching me?


Scalpers and cryptofuckers have been the bane of my life this past year and I wish complete financial ruin and misery on all of them.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further



Ccs posted:

I am so angry about this NFT craze that has consumed half the CG and digital artists I follow. Theyíre pumping out less than their best work for a quick buck and filling my twitter feed with new notifications every time their work resells, willfully oblivious to the gargantuan environmental cost of this BS.

Iíve just started unfollowing them but itís a shame to see such a thing spread among people who would normally describe themselves on the right side of the climate change debate. These fuckers basically inherited a coal mine a decided to keep it running for the sick payday.

Just start a Patreon you morons.

THIS.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

You walk in with the Turnips, you leave with the Bells.



Jesus christ art twitter tonight is insane.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




At least Artstation backed off on entering the NFT space. In the meantime I racked up blocks from the God of War art director, James Jean, Peter Mohrbacher, and half a dozen senior CG artists for suggesting using a non-etherium platform that uses proof-of-stake so is at least closer to carbon neutral. Didn't even ask them to stop doing NFT altogether! Very clear where all these guy's priorities are.

But followed dozens of new artists who are disgusted with this NFT crap. So a net positive for my twitter feed, if not for the environment.

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008



Interestingly on the other side in the porn/nsfw sphere, pretty much everyone I've seen has either not cared about it, or called it out.
The most positive reaction I've seen is people just being curiously bemused that it's a thing at all. (Though I imagine it might be different in other, straighter, bubbles than mine.)

I wonder if it's because a lot of 2d + 3d animators etc are kind of outside of the western techbro sphere where NFTs are really taking off.
Or more the fact that a lot of them already get decent incomes from art on it's own, and maaaybe getting some extra money from NFT sales isn't that hugely interesting.
(Not to mention any large artist will be wary of 'platforms' like these because reposters and art stealers can easily start making money off of other peoples' art.)

Or maybe it's just the adjacency to the furry fandom which tilts it a bit, because the commissioners and payments are larger and more stable there.

On that note, are the NFT platforms (I assume there are more than just 1, considering the sums involved, and the fact that every single crypto thing spawns a billion spinoffs, most of them scams.) going to care about copyrights and takedowns at all?
What happens when some person sells a bunch of art they stole? I bet the platforms won't be giving the slightest bit of a poo poo about it, they already have their money.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




I will say a lot of the artist jumping in are art directors on the west coast, so near the center of crypto craziness. My cousin is a tech bro who was snagged by crypto fever by living in SF, it's like a plague.

I haven't seen any illustrators from Asia join the craziness. My favorite artist is an illustrator from Thailand so I hope he's outside the crypto frenzy bubble.

There appears to be no copyright protections and the "smart contracts" crypto comes with are unenforceable. It's to the point where if someone tags a crypto bot on twitter, the bot will make an NFT out of a tweet, so people are tagging famous artist's work with the crypto bot and stealing their art to turn into NFT tokens. The artist has to block the bots (and there are an increasing amount) to avoid having their art stolen.

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008



Ah silly me, of course they don't even pretend to have the slightest veneer of legitimacy. Every time it's set up to make scams and theft as easy and profitable as possible.
It's almost as if the entire cryptorealm is scum and scams to the core. Top to bottom, in and out. From intent to execution. Every single time.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Ccs posted:


There appears to be no copyright protections and the "smart contracts" crypto comes with are unenforceable. It's to the point where if someone tags a crypto bot on twitter, the bot will make an NFT out of a tweet, so people are tagging famous artist's work with the crypto bot and stealing their art to turn into NFT tokens. The artist has to block the bots (and there are an increasing amount) to avoid having their art stolen.

https://twitter.com/HTHRFLWRS/status/1364347838411333633?s=20

With NFT, youíre not even storing the works in the blockchain, youíre buying a ďdeedĒ to a link to the digital media. If the site hosting it dies, hope you had a backup copy. You can change the link to point somewhere else, of course, but you have to pay more ďgasĒ. Or you can point it to google.com, who cares?

There will be no IP protection, because nobody actually cares about that lol youíre ďbuyingĒ a url field

Itís not even the dumbest thing Iíve seen in crypto, but Iím amazed so many incredible artists got scammed into it. FOMO is a hell of a thing.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

Oh? You're
approaching me?


It's like people buying "lordships" in the UK, which are also completely meaningless.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

You walk in with the Turnips, you leave with the Bells.



Ccs posted:

At least Artstation backed off on entering the NFT space. In the meantime I racked up blocks from the God of War art director, James Jean, Peter Mohrbacher, and half a dozen senior CG artists for suggesting using a non-etherium platform that uses proof-of-stake so is at least closer to carbon neutral. Didn't even ask them to stop doing NFT altogether! Very clear where all these guy's priorities are.

But followed dozens of new artists who are disgusted with this NFT crap. So a net positive for my twitter feed, if not for the environment.

Bobby Chiu showed his whole rear end and started full on bitching about being "bullied" on Twitter by people who were answering his request for more info on NFT. Then he deleted all of the threads he started and posted a notes tweet where he was basically like "Yeah, I know it's bad. I'm doing it anyway."

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011




mutata posted:

Bobby Chiu showed his whole rear end and started full on bitching about being "bullied" on Twitter by people who were answering his request for more info on NFT. Then he deleted all of the threads he started and posted a notes tweet where he was basically like "Yeah, I know it's bad. I'm doing it anyway."

His latest tweets say he won't get involved in NFT until it's Proof Of Stake. So... that's something, at least.

To paraphrase a tweet I saw yesterday, Crypto is dumb. It's bad, but it's dumb too.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002


Jade Ear Joe

Beeple's "The First 5000 Days" closed at nearly $70 million.

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/beeple-first-5000-days/lots/2020

KinkyJohn
Sep 18, 2002



I'm fully expecting my art to already be stolen, I'm just too afraid to look. I mean my art has already been stolen and sold by who knows on sites like redbubble, while at the same time having my art removed from the site. It's a hell of a feeling checking up on things and realizing somebody else is selling your work while yours has been removed (probably the same person report spamming it for bullshit reasons)

I don't feel like making digital art anymore.

500
Apr 7, 2019



Simon Stalenhag had his work stolen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/simonstalenhag/status/1369661661146193925
All the crypto bros piling on in the comments to tell him he's wrong for asking it to be taken down and that he's "spitting in the face of his fans" is truly gross. They keep popping up in comments sections all over my feed and acting like they're on the side of the artists. I want to sell a $300,000 jpeg as much as the next person but there's no way I could align myself with the crypto community at this point.

I think I'm going to take a break from Twitter for a while. It's not good for looking at art at the moment.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

You walk in with the Turnips, you leave with the Bells.



I deleted my Twitter account this morning. It was miserable and I was turning into an rear end in a top hat. I'll let it go 30 days to completely kill it off and maybe rejoin later, who knows.

sigma 6
Nov 27, 2004

the mirror would do well to reflect further



mutata posted:

I deleted my Twitter account this morning. It was miserable and I was turning into an rear end in a top hat. I'll let it go 30 days to completely kill it off and maybe rejoin later, who knows.

Good for you. I live with a twitter troll. Gotta say - I am more than ready to move out. Also - I hate the concept of microblogging. Just blog, or don't. Twitter is for twits, as our last POS... I mean POTUS... proved.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

You walk in with the Turnips, you leave with the Bells.



Yeah, if/when I rejoin in the future, it will likely be with more of a purpose and a plan. I have no reason to be on there as a daily forum and my only commentating on it was anger. If I have some kind of reason, angle, or plan, then I'll consider it. As it was, over the course of 5 years I said nothing of consequence to no one in particular and accomplished nothing. I gathered a negligible number of followers, got no new opportunities, opened zero doors for myself or others, and changed nothing for the better.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

Oh? You're
approaching me?


I have one feed for dumb funny poo poo and one for following artists, and the only reason I need one for artists is because despite knowing that Twitter is completely unsuitable as an art gallery, people upload there exclusively anyway. If they have an Instagram or whatever, I'll follow there instead.

It really pisses me off that people use Twitter as an art site. Like I get that you can pick up a lot of followers there and keep a social presence, that's fine, but using it as your sole upload site, when any upload will inevitably be lost to time as it gets buried by tweets, until even a modern browser crashes attempting to reach the end of the feed? You might as well hang a sign on yourself saying "I have no respect for my work, it's completely disposable, I literally don't care enough to make it discoverable". Even Tumblr had some ability to display images as a series of dense thumbnails.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 12, 2021

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

You walk in with the Turnips, you leave with the Bells.



Yeah, as an artist Instagram's methodology is much much more interesting, even though I don't get much engagement there other than likes. Twitter is just inexplicable for anything except Whatever You're Saying This Second, and I'm coming to understand that I loving hate that mindset, lol.

After Artstation's flirting with unethical crypto bullshit, I'm starting to slam back into the mindset I used to have of "A website of my own and some forum posting!" plus having some token accounts on platforms that show some selection of work and link to my website.

The main issue with all of this, of course, is that I've been burned out on personal projects for the past 2 years and can't seem to get out of it!

500
Apr 7, 2019



Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

It really pisses me off that people use Twitter as an art site. Like I get that you can pick up a lot of followers there and keep a social presence, that's fine, but using it as your sole upload site, when any upload will inevitably be lost to time as it gets buried by tweets, until even a modern browser crashes attempting to reach the end of the feed? You might as well hang a sign on yourself saying "I have no respect for my work, it's completely disposable, I literally don't care enough to make it discoverable". Even Tumblr had some ability to display images as a series of dense thumbnails.

drat, I used to really like Twitter as an art-sharing platform, purely because it made artists more discoverable. I don't know of any other site where you can have basically no followers, have someone retweet your work, and then suddenly you've got thousands of people on your page and you're finding other artists and communities that you didn't even know existed (maybe Tumblr worked the same way? I'm not sure).

How does discovering artists work on instagram? Do artists basically have to add a bunch of hashtags to each post and hope that people stumble across their work through searching those specific hashtags? Or is there another option I'm missing? I agree that the photo gallery layout is superior for browsing a person's work, I just don't understand the accepted method for finding new artists on there.

SubNat
Nov 27, 2008



Yeah, tumblr had the exact same setup, though extensive support for tags + the fact that users could use custom HTML on their pages meant finding art was a lot easier, and stay visible for longer. People would often set up galleries or video players on their 'homepage'.
Like if you clicked the '3d animation' tag on a user's post you'd get brought to a list of all their posts tagged with that. Twitter loving sucks at showing off/presenting art compared to how tumblr handled it. It was less ephemeral than twitter is due to the userpage/homepage aspect of it.
That whole 'your posts can go viral' feels like the primary reason T&T became such cornerstones for art communities. And it's a loving bleeding shame that nothing has really stepped up to fill the gaping void left by tumblr. (Especially considering how many gallery sites are nsfw-unfriendly.)

Pillowfort... well, it could hypothetically do it, and a lot of artists are cautiously hopeful for it. But unfortunately the moment they opened it to the public they faceplanted immediately, and the site has been down, then in read-only mode for 2 months or so at this point.
(They didn't do basic sanitation, and the moment they went from closed beta to grand opening people immediately found out that you could do stuff like force-logout users by embedding a pillowfort.social/signout link in a img class in a html post. And there were huge worries that there'd be wide systemic security flaws they'd overlooked.
They've been on damage control and trying to set up proper website security for the last 2 months, but people are understandably worried that they've had the site in closed beta for 3+ years and still had security issues like that day 0.)

(Pillowfort is basically a tumblr clone/alike that had just started a closed beta at the time the porn purge happened, so they got a ton of attention back then.)

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013

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500 posted:

drat, I used to really like Twitter as an art-sharing platform, purely because it made artists more discoverable. I don't know of any other site where you can have basically no followers, have someone retweet your work, and then suddenly you've got thousands of people on your page and you're finding other artists and communities that you didn't even know existed (maybe Tumblr worked the same way? I'm not sure).

How does discovering artists work on instagram? Do artists basically have to add a bunch of hashtags to each post and hope that people stumble across their work through searching those specific hashtags? Or is there another option I'm missing? I agree that the photo gallery layout is superior for browsing a person's work, I just don't understand the accepted method for finding new artists on there.

Instagram is surprisingly good at recommending accounts based on activity, but I have no idea about the social aspect, I really only use it to follow galleries, same as I would deviantart or whatever.

Using Twitter as a discovery and networking tool works fine, using it as your sole portfolio or gallery site is just madness. There is no gallery view, no way to sort by old tweets first, you just have to get a cup of coffee and hold down the Page Down key until it's scrolled through 1000, sometimes over 2000 tweets to get to the oldest content, assuming it doesn't crash your browser first.

When you upload, you aren't adding another picture to a gallery, you're throwing it on a pile where it will gradually get completely buried, functionally forever. And people constantly talk about how they get more or less engagement at different times of the day, which means that most people are following too many feeds to actually keep up with and are having to just look at whatever the latest tweets on their feed are, so a lot of those fans are missing your content constantly anyway.

It's a fine way to discover people, but it's a *terrible* art site, possibly the worst format anyone has yet thought of, and it is baffling how many people exclusively upload there. Like, just make a deviantart page or wherever, turn off comments and dump your stuff on there, then put a link to it on Twitter.

E: I am aware that I am getting entirely too mad about Twitter, but in fairness it does suck rear end.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Mar 13, 2021

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002


Jade Ear Joe

So of course the buyer of Beeple's work was just an NFT insider. They're basically just megainflating their own poo poo.

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/beeple-first-nft-artwork-at-auction-sale-buyer-intl-scli/index.html

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

Hubris

Fun Shoe

Isn't 90% of crypto just pyramid schemes? Get new people to think "oh many, crypto is my path to riches! All I need to do is buy in and I'll be obscenely wealthy!" And of course that "buy in" step is where the people who are already in the crypto scene get to cash out and get actual, real money that they can use for all their non-defrauding needs.

500
Apr 7, 2019



Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

E: I am aware that I am getting entirely too mad about Twitter, but in fairness it does suck rear end.
It's ok, I'm kind of done defending Twitter at this point. I used to be one of those guys who would say "it's actually really good if you curate your feed!", but they intentionally make it harder and harder to do that all the time. Thanks for the breakdown -- I might have to check out Instagram when I remember how to make art again.

BonoMan posted:

So of course the buyer of Beeple's work was just an NFT insider. They're basically just megainflating their own poo poo.

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/beeple-first-nft-artwork-at-auction-sale-buyer-intl-scli/index.html
Metapurse was responsible for Beeple's first NFT sales too. The idea that there are any "real" art collectors in this space is an illusion.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


"Why does that Subaru break down every time you look at it, Travis", Punchy said. I nearly fell out of the jump seat in my Brat, aghast. "That thing a princess?" I coughed and gulped. "Hahahaha, nice one, Punchy", I said

ok so just to sum up -- this "69 million dollar" meme art piece was actually purchased by a cryptocurrency "millionaire", using the cryptocurrency he is trying to promote, after a bidding war with another crypto "millionaire" with his own currency to promote.

it's basically as if the auction house allowed people to bid with tulip bulbs at the height of the tulip bulb craze.

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea


Did you expect anything else?

I was convinced it was Elon musk that bought it. He bought Bitcoin this past year ending up with a 1.5bn stake. Grimes had sold something as an NFT, I was convinced it was him loss leading to give it legitimacy.

I strongly dislike all of this and am praying it all spectacularly burns down soon.

Any artist that sells a piece for 70m immediately values everything else they do and have ever done in the 40-50m+ range. Is nobody going to sell a beeple again? Do we agree some beeples are worth more than others? The entire economy of this is beyond hosed. It's a little sad a legit source like christie's were a bit of a vulture to get a payday.

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Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

This is a good article summing up how dumb it all is, NFT specifically but touches on the crypto trash fire in general:

https://richardyot.com/blog/2021/3/14/whats-wrong-with-nft

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