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An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

The show figures this out pretty early and in mid season 2 you can see the ship correct itself and move Quentin back into the ensemble and by the later half of season 3 "Quentin isn't the main character you loving idiots" is explicitly text.

It will always be cheesy though.

The cheesiness has me on the edge of thinking, "show bad?" constantly.

mystes posted:

It maybe leans into its silliness a bit more but if you don't like it I wouldn't bother.

I might not! I just got to the ep where they turn into foxes and frolic in the snow... Is that even a spoiler?

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Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

Nundizo posted:

UO but despite all its flaws, Varga was easily my favourite villian

I will admit to a strong positive bias towards anything involving Mary Elizabeth Winstead

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Just started binging The Great. I'm surprised how much I'm liking it so far. Huzzuh!

VinylonUnderground
Dec 14, 2020

by Athanatos
The Magicians is like an anti-me show. It's not good enough for me to pay attention to and it clearly rewards careful viewing. It's in neither lane for me.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Started watching Empire and it's some good poo poo so far

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Checked out Ginny & Georgia on Netflix. A fun little show reminiscent of Gilmore Girls but as told by Shonda Rhimes.

Take a little bit to get going and a little uneven but it finds it’s footing before the end of season.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

An Ounce of Gold posted:

The cheesiness has me on the edge of thinking, "show bad?" constantly.


I might not! I just got to the ep where they turn into foxes and frolic in the snow... Is that even a spoiler?

That's still really early on it gets miles better. Season 4 has been my favourite so far; I just got to the episode mentioned above where Quentin isn't the main character, you dummy, you fool, and it's pretty meta.

Still, I absolutely wont fault anyone for noping on a show because they dont want to wait a season and a half just to see if the way it changes tack is a way they will like. There are so many examples of great shows of all kinds to draw from now that there's absolutely zero excuse for any new-ish show to not be exactly what it wants to be and pumping on all cylinders from the first scene.

And if a show isn't for you, there are 5 more on your watch list that might be, and 20 more you've still not even heard of yet that definitely are. Dont waste your time watching a show you're not feeling no matter how many lockdown-insane driven goons tell you it gets better after about the first 15 hours or so. Just watch Jett instead lol.

Edit: "The Dragonriders of Porn" holy loving poo poo :roflolmao:

Cactus fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Mar 3, 2021

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

watched altered carbon S1 again.

why did they detonate something entertaining for something forgettable ?

Qmass fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Mar 3, 2021

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser
I dunno, but there’s not many shows that had such a gigantic drop in quality. I had issues with the first season, but felt they had something to work with. The second season is beyond contempt.

BetterLekNextTime
Jul 22, 2008

It's all a matter of perspective...
Grimey Drawer
I really liked Altered Carbon s1 in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

emo-ignorance
Jun 12, 2020

I've been watching a lot of SVU and realizing how inappropriate it was for me to watch in middle school. I lowkey think its 3PM syndication was an abstinence-only psyop because I was terrified to go on a date until I was like 20. Stabler does way more police brutality than I remembered. Also lol at the early seasons when they'd dedicate entire episodes to the question of whether it's possible for a woman to rape a man.

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010
They didn't want to adapt the second book. They took the worst parts of s1 (the kel parts, that were an intention of the show) and made a season of them.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

BetterLekNextTime posted:

I really liked Altered Carbon s1 in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

S1 was dumb but fun to watch

S2 was dumb but not that fun to watch. Although I have to admit I can barely remember a thing about it

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

emo-ignorance posted:

I've been watching a lot of SVU and realizing how inappropriate it was for me to watch in middle school. I lowkey think its 3PM syndication was an abstinence-only psyop because I was terrified to go on a date until I was like 20. Stabler does way more police brutality than I remembered. Also lol at the early seasons when they'd dedicate entire episodes to the question of whether it's possible for a woman to rape a man.

I'm half way through s2 on my watch through and haven't hit the woman rape man yet. did get "can you rape your wife?" which at least only had a handful of disgusting comments from the "good guys" lol

it is insane how much the quality of the stories varies from episode to episode, even watching them all in order

emo-ignorance
Jun 12, 2020

Aardvark! posted:

I'm half way through s2 on my watch through and haven't hit the woman rape man yet. did get "can you rape your wife?" which at least only had a handful of disgusting comments from the "good guys" lol

it is insane how much the quality of the stories varies from episode to episode, even watching them all in order

The best episodes are the ones written/produced by Speed Weed, but I don't think he joins the show until season 12. I've been jumping around, but I'm impressed that you'd watch the show in its pre-Ice-T era.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Here's my update on The Magicians that no one asked for:

I'm in. We finished season 1 and really, after the fox stuff there hasn't been too many corny moments. It was pretty much full steam ahead through to the end of the season.

I have a slight bias towards the show's premise because, yes forum members, I am a nerd and read the entire original Baum run of Oz books when I was a kid. Even though most of Filory seems to be a Narnia fill in, I used to feel like Quinton about the Land of Oz.

A few of the characters have grown on me already. I like Elliot, Margo, and Penny a lot. I don't want to know what happens with it, but do they ever bring up the Margollum again or was that just a one off episode gag?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
It just gets better and better.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

Qmass posted:

watched altered carbon S1 again.

why did they detonate something entertaining for something forgettable ?
And yet so many of the reviews made out that it was a step up on the first season and not a boring turd.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Pablo Bluth posted:

And yet so many of the reviews made out that it was a step up on the first season and not a boring turd.

Maybe, just maybe, people have different tastes?????

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Maybe, just maybe, people have different tastes?????
That critics and the public often have diverging tastes is hardly a revelation. However I do feel that if you're reviewing the second season of a television series, your primary audience is people who liked the first. Being so out of lockstep as they were in this instance was IMO not particularly useful. A well written review isn't just a vehicle to let you know if the writer liked/disliked something but to give you an good chance of estimating if you'll like it.

Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 4, 2021

VinylonUnderground
Dec 14, 2020

by Athanatos

Collateral posted:

They didn't want to adapt the second book. They took the worst parts of s1 (the kel parts, that were an intention of the show) and made a season of them.

I get why they didn't want to adapt the other books. The shift in tone is massive and, budget-wise, it would have also been extremely challenging. That doesn't excuse their writers falling in love with their own creation (that is also the worst part of S1) and tripling down on it. There were other threads from the books that they could have pulled from in a cost-effective manner. I know it isn't Vancouver but when I visited Albequerque Breaking Bad had been made into a cottage industry. They could have done a Noir-style story in a more developed thinly-disguised Iraq planet where Takeshi was in a lovely sleeve there by building sets in the desert. The could do it with premade sets in the TMZ but I imagine they wanted to avoid that for $$$ reasons. A Mars detective story using the same or similar location ending with a few expensive setpieces/CGI for the ship would have worked too.

Hell, Sam Spade in the World of Tomorrow works. They could have gotten creative like that.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
After like 4 false starts and a couple of months break I have finally got into The Expanse. Halfway through season 3 at the moment and it's really good now, it has a focus and drive it seemed to lack hugely in the first season. Part way through season 2 is when it got going a bit more, and it's really picked up pace since then. Most of the characters are still paper thin but the plot is great.

Nundizo
Feb 9, 2021
Went ahead and started the knick after a few users strongly recommended it in this thread. First season kept me coming back, but I can no longer enjoy this as much I did when I began. The cracks are starting the show in the characters and especially in the writing. I could tolerate it in the beginning of season one, but I'm close to dropping the show entirely midway through season two.

Cactus
Jun 24, 2006

Binging Startup and it's really good, but I think the third season has lost a bit of what made it good. In the first two, when they were just starting out and getting things up and running, taking the wins and the losses and coming up with crazy ideas there was a sense of fun and adventure, along with the danger. Season 3 (which I've 3 episodes left to watch) is a lot more sombre and serious and there aren't really any funny moments or characters having a laugh with each other anymore; it's all conflict, suspicion, tension and high-stakes all the time and although it's still really well put together it isn't as fun to watch. Everyones miserable and stressed and fighting all the time, and it's all about the danger and the consequences.

Like I said, it hasn't gone bad at all, I'm still really invested in seeing what happens to the characters and how it all shakes out, it just isn't as fun because there's nothing lighthearted anymore.

Sonderval
Sep 10, 2011
I just finished "The Good Place" and that last episode destroyed me, I'm a wreck. Beautiful.

sad question
May 30, 2020

Good Place is an interesting show. It starts very funny and becomes very thoughtful and kind.

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

sad question posted:

Good Place is an interesting show. It starts very funny and becomes very thoughtful and kind.

But still funny at the end.

My wife and I recently adopted a dog, and he has severe separation anxiety, such that we've had to devise a ritual that allows us to go to bed at night without him having a meltdown. We do "potty finale", turn out the lights, and while he settles, we watch Taskmaster.

It's a lot of fun. (Mostly) British comedians being tasked with doing silly things the best/fastest, occasionally verbally eviscerating each other when someone does something particularly stupid. But the great thing is that it's all good-natured; there's no typical reality/competition show style drama at all.

All full episodes are available on YouTube. At least in the US. This seems like the kind of thing that would be heavily region-blocked.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back
Schitt’s Creek also turned out to be kind and thoughtful, it just stopped being funny the last season.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Unpopular opinion time: Schitt's Creek is good but it is nowhere near as good as a lot of people rave about.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back

Hughmoris posted:

Unpopular opinion time: Schitt's Creek is good but it is nowhere near as good as a lot of people rave about.

I agree. Part me of wants to say that once David and Patrick became a couple the show wasn’t funny as it use to be, but was the show ever that funny? It is a good show and I really liked all the characters, but it’s humor was hit and miss (the last 2 seasons are mostly a slog). Still I am ok with all the awards it has won, because I like the cast.

Speaking of great comedies, where is season 2 of The Righteous Gemstones? I know COVID, but it feels like forever.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

WhiteHowler posted:

But still funny at the end.

My wife and I recently adopted a dog, and he has severe separation anxiety, such that we've had to devise a ritual that allows us to go to bed at night without him having a meltdown. We do "potty finale", turn out the lights, and while he settles, we watch Taskmaster.

It's a lot of fun. (Mostly) British comedians being tasked with doing silly things the best/fastest, occasionally verbally eviscerating each other when someone does something particularly stupid. But the great thing is that it's all good-natured; there's no typical reality/competition show style drama at all.

All full episodes are available on YouTube. At least in the US. This seems like the kind of thing that would be heavily region-blocked.
When you're done with UKTM, the recent first series of the New Zealand one is excellent (but does take a few episodes to find its feet). It was airing at the same time as the most recent UKTM and I ended up looking forward to the NZ one more.

If you can live with subtitles, the Scandinavians 'get' TM too. I'd start with Norway's Kongen Befaler.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

Sonderval posted:

I just finished "The Good Place" and that last episode destroyed me, I'm a wreck. Beautiful.

My all time favorite television series.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

nate fisher posted:

I agree. Part me of wants to say that once David and Patrick became a couple the show wasn’t funny as it use to be, but was the show ever that funny? It is a good show and I really liked all the characters, but it’s humor was hit and miss (the last 2 seasons are mostly a slog). Still I am ok with all the awards it has won, because I like the cast.

Speaking of great comedies, where is season 2 of The Righteous Gemstones? I know COVID, but it feels like forever.

Completely agree with schitts creek. Everyone here was saying it’s so feel good and wholesome and is just great and funny...it was ok? It definitely had its funny moments but I wouldn’t watch it again. Maybe I’d feel different if we hadn’t binged it.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
In to season 3 of SVU, had a hunch it was a Woman Making A False Allegation episode, googled it, saved myself 30 minutes :thumbsup:

RestingB1tchFace
Jul 4, 2016

Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one....but mines the best!!!

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

My all time favorite television series.

Just started it. Two episodes in.

VinylonUnderground
Dec 14, 2020

by Athanatos
Schitt's Creek came out and was gradually discovered during a time when TV was *mean* and kept getting meaner. Good Place and Schitt's Creek both stand out as being exceptions to that overall trend and really shine because of it. In my experience, The Good Place is the better show but it was also too mainstream for a lot of people I know so an "obscure Canadian alternative" that fills the same niche. Good Place, while amazing, was also not terribly queer so that creates another niche Schitt's Creek is able to occupy. Both of those groups are heavily enriched for taste-makers so that propels Schitt's Creek to something beyond.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Schitt's Creek is fiiiiiine. I loved seasons 1-3 because everyone felt like their characters. Each actor was so natural in what they were doing until Patrick showed up... Suddenly there was a boring dull character played by a non dynamic actor that we were supposed to like. I've poo poo on Patrick before so I won't go on, but he really did kill the rest of the show for me any time he was on screen. Unlike many shows, however, the main characters (and some side ones) all have satisfying story endings which is getting to be a rare thing as more writers go for "this looks cool" instead of following their emotional natural theme/character endings that they've built.


The Magicians update! My eye has swollen closed due to a chalazion. That means I took two days off of writing and animating and binged s2. It's still a fun romp, but man I wish they had a bigger budget. Every outside shot looks like a cheap indie movie in the Vancouver woods and it suffers from Star Trek make-up woes where almost every mystical creature apparently just looks like a human wearing weird clothing. Reynard the Fox? Yellow eyes. Fairies? White fishnet body stockings. I half expected the dragon to be a carnival fire breather.

The corniness hasn't stopped, but at least it's in my wheelhouse of corniness. The Les Mis moment was horrible/great. I'm generally not a fan of musicals and would only recommend 3 of them for people to see live and Les Mis is one of them. Though poor Margo and Tick cannot sing.

There's no stopping me now! Season 3 starts today.

RestingB1tchFace
Jul 4, 2016

Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one....but mines the best!!!

An Ounce of Gold posted:

Schitt's Creek is fiiiiiine. I loved seasons 1-3 because everyone felt like their characters. Each actor was so natural in what they were doing until Patrick showed up... Suddenly there was a boring dull character played by a non dynamic actor that we were supposed to like. I've poo poo on Patrick before so I won't go on, but he really did kill the rest of the show for me any time he was on screen. Unlike many shows, however, the main characters (and some side ones) all have satisfying story endings which is getting to be a rare thing as more writers go for "this looks cool" instead of following their emotional natural theme/character endings that they've built.


The Magicians update! My eye has swollen closed due to a chalazion. That means I took two days off of writing and animating and binged s2. It's still a fun romp, but man I wish they had a bigger budget. Every outside shot looks like a cheap indie movie in the Vancouver woods and it suffers from Star Trek make-up woes where almost every mystical creature apparently just looks like a human wearing weird clothing. Reynard the Fox? Yellow eyes. Fairies? White fishnet body stockings. I half expected the dragon to be a carnival fire breather.

The corniness hasn't stopped, but at least it's in my wheelhouse of corniness. The Les Mis moment was horrible/great. I'm generally not a fan of musicals and would only recommend 3 of them for people to see live and Les Mis is one of them. Though poor Margo and Tick cannot sing.

There's no stopping me now! Season 3 starts today.

I didn't think that Patrick was all that bad of a character. And I'm guessing he was written that way to further facilitate the development of David's character.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

RestingB1tchFace posted:

I didn't think that Patrick was all that bad of a character. And I'm guessing he was written that way to further facilitate the development of David's character.

I feel like you could have had David's character complete an emotional growth journey without Blando Blanderson. :shrug:

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Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
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WhiteHowler posted:

But still funny at the end.

My wife and I recently adopted a dog, and he has severe separation anxiety, such that we've had to devise a ritual that allows us to go to bed at night without him having a meltdown. We do "potty finale", turn out the lights, and while he settles, we watch Taskmaster.

It's a lot of fun. (Mostly) British comedians being tasked with doing silly things the best/fastest, occasionally verbally eviscerating each other when someone does something particularly stupid. But the great thing is that it's all good-natured; there's no typical reality/competition show style drama at all.

All full episodes are available on YouTube. At least in the US. This seems like the kind of thing that would be heavily region-blocked.

I absolutely love Taskmaster, it's just such dumb innocent fun. The new UK season starts in a couple of weeks, and I can't wait!


Pablo Bluth posted:

When you're done with UKTM, the recent first series of the New Zealand one is excellent (but does take a few episodes to find its feet). It was airing at the same time as the most recent UKTM and I ended up looking forward to the NZ one more.

If you can live with subtitles, the Scandinavians 'get' TM too. I'd start with Norway's Kongen Befaler.

I didn't know there was a NZ one! I've seen all of the UK one two or three times, the Norwegian one once, and enough of the USA one to see why it was cancelled.

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