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Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Coupling series 1 is good, but series 2 and 3 are where it really leaps up in quality, the cast are all on top form and having a riot together and the writing is sharper, smarter and more elaborate. All those episodes are gold, just avoid series 4 (although the second episode is quite good). The DVD set for series 3 (I think) has a really amusing commentary track on some of the episodes with Moffat and Davenport.

If you like Davenport/good British drama, you might like to check out This Life, which is a show that aired in the late 90s, about a series of twentysomething law graduates just starting their careers and living together in London. It's pretty peerless.

Anybody who enjoys Coupling would probably like The Inbetweeners, which is one of the best comedy shows on brit TV right now. Show follows a few mates growing up at the end of school life (sixth form), basically a spot-on portrayal of friendship and growing up, with masses of knob gags, awkward romances and ripping the piss out of each other. All that good stuff. Two series have aired, the third is commissioned and will arrive next year.

ABC have also asked the two writers to produce a script for a US pilot version. Despite their talent, the only way they can translate it across the Atlantic is to totally adapt into the American high school clique kind of setting, which has already been done to death over the decades (Breakfast Club or American Pie would be somewhere near to what an American Inbetweeners would probably look like). Pretty pointless if you ask me.

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Myself I have just started watching ER again from the beginning. Amazing how a 94/95 era drama series holds up. It's almost as if it was filmed a good 5-10 years later, because of the writing, acting, directing and production design qualities that were pretty much unheard of outside of that or The X-Files, I guess; it also avoids that cringeworthy 90s schtick that plagued a lot of TV during that period. No episodes in the first season are particularly as amazing as the later ones, but then again, they're all really good and satisfying and of a consistently high quality. I guess I forgot how good it was right from the word go.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Sep 23, 2009

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Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Nothing will match up to Deadwood, and nothing will ease the pain of that non-ending. Unfortunately!

Just throwing another one into the mix, for a complete change of pace, what about In Treatment. In my opinion the next best HBO show behind The Wire and Deadwood, at least for its first season. If you like incredible acting and writing and human drama and resolution, then you'll probably enjoy it a lot (especially if you liked The Sopranos and its psycho-analysis interludes).

First season is 40-some episodes, half an hour each, with compelling arcs to match any of the classic HBO series.

Personally I found The Shield really hard going until it found its style and tone which wasn't for a while. Quality picks up quite dramatically after that, but it's no Wire.

Any of the shows you mention at the bottom are also great, Six Feet Under and Mad Men most of all.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 26, 2009

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Actually, the movie/Fight the Future fits in between season five and six. It should be viewed as a feature length culmination of season five. Season six briefly continues where the movie leaves off, but soon gets on with its own business. Season Six is rather good, contrary to what some think, although after that..

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I have a vaguely related question, is Red Shoe Diaries at all worth watching? (I said vaguely related!) I am a fan of Duchovny in The X-Files, Twin Peaks and Californication etc, but I realise his contribution to that is somewhat minor/comedic. Also I'm something of a completist and I have never put much time into that show.

The only other reason I want to watch it is because of its cult standing, really. The prospect of 90s era softcore porn is a bit of a turn-off.

As far as my current binging:

ER: now on S2. Show really hasn't had a bad episode at all so far, with a few great ones, and is starting to pick up pace.

West Wing: S3. Stalled because I'm waiting on getting the Region 1 anamophic DVDs (Region 2 collection is letterboxed would you believe).

Buffy: have almost finished rewatching the entire show over the past 2 years, now on S7. Ever lovable and I think I'll be sad again to leave this particular safe-haven of the Whedonverse.

ST:Enterprise: the first five or so episodes of S3 have pretty much killed my interest in continuing what was looking like a fairly decent Star Trek series. The actual episodes are okay, then occasionally it segues into awful subtitled arc scenes. Does it improve beyond the ridiculous alien war arc?

Six Feet: rewatch, currently at the start of S2 and it's improving steadily.

things I tried to start binging through but got tired of:
Stargate (good cast and winning performances don't make up for crappy budget and writing), Angel (a painful endurance test to reach the good stuff again), Chuck (repetitive), some other stuff best forgotten.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Oct 18, 2009

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
I just felt the updates they made to the show/ship and the whole po-faced attitude to the war take away from what was a light hearted show about space exploration. I realise that season one and two totally lacked an arc element, but so far at least, the aliens they brought in are ridiculous and cheesy but we're supposed to be taking the whole thing really seriously. It doesn't really work.

And the theme tune, never particularly amazing but they totally massacred it.

Rapsey posted:

How far did you get with Chuck? It really improves in second season.

Half way through the first season. Guess I might watch it at some point.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:

lame. and i think there is only one episode left in the season :\

Not sure if that means you're missing out on episodes, but it's airing in full over here in the UK so the episodes will out one way or the other.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Cracker is pretty godly as far as british crime drama goes. I'm wondering, has anyone seen 'The Vice' recently, because I watched it when it first aired from 1999-2003, and I really enjoyed most of it (or the earlier few series).

However, I am pretty wary with going back to ITV dramas after a long break because usually they end up seeming pretty awful.

The combination of Ken Stott, Caroline Catz and the ever brilliant Marc Warren, not sure how it can go wrong.

Also for fans of crime drama, the french TV series Spiral definitely deserves mention in the same breath as other quality shows. Two series of that, with a third arriving probably late 2010 (at least a subtitled version).

For fans of TV in general, Heimat, a million times. I binged through this with one of my housemates who was a history student and obsessive of Germany in particular. It's up there with the best of shows from HBO. In the way it artfully captures the feel of multiple areas of society, over a number of years, it sort of reminds me of what The Wire did with Baltimore, only on a much more grand scale. If you like the European cinema type aesthetic then you'll love it.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Nov 6, 2009

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Thanks to everyone in this thread I guess I'll be checking out Friday Night Lights. I saw the movie way back when and thought it was fantastic, but I got turned off by the show because I thought it was going to be another American highschool drama-llama type series. Despite my American-football playing friend constantly earwigging me about how awesome it was.

Started watching Brotherhood the other day for the first time and it's pretty unexpectedly great. Hope it continues in the same vein.

SintaxError posted:

Yesterday and today I watched season 1 of Six Feet Under. I felt it was worth the watch, but I don't think I'm going to be watching the rest of the series.

The first season is good television, but Six Feet improves massively as it (hurr) finds its feet and the characters start to become more nuanced and entertaining. From the start of season two onwards it's really solidly awesome. I don't think it really works watching it over the course of a few days, though, because it's quite heavy and intense.

I think Deadwood is amazing, Sopranos much less so, but YMMV. It's definitely not a gangsterism thing, the show is largely about family and the psychology of relationships, business, etc, with a healthy dosage of exploration of depression and paranoia (what HBO show would be without this?!)

If you haven't heard of it, try In Treatment.. deserves mentioning in the same breath as all the other HBO great shows, and it's getting a new season next year. In terms of intimate dramas I don't think there's anything quite as compelling (definite binge material!)

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Nov 28, 2009

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Watch the British original 'version', then. It's much better, although it's a different kind of show so the comparison is maybe not quite as potent. But basically it's more akin to Curb Your Enthusiasm (Gervais is a big fan of Larry David), in being nuanced character based comedy with good writing, rather than pratfalls and 'oh no he didn't' type stuff.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
I am continuing burning through ER and West Wing. ER has been solidly well done right up to where I am now, the start of season three. West Wing I had never watched before this year, but I'm now upto the start of season five. Three and four were a cut above the others and cemented it as a great show, rather than a very good show. The cast is adorable, and Sorkin is an incredible TV craftsman. Not sure how it's going to fare from S5 onwards without him writing the eps.

Also, I watched Studio 60 before it, so it now seems sad to me that Studio 60 didn't get a longer run out - even if the show was pretty rubbish after halfway through.

Chamberk posted:

I should probably finish Wire season 3.

(The show is not as good as goons say it is.)

Not just goons, to be fair. Anyone who doesn't have an abject dislike of cop procedurals or city portraiture or whatever you want to call it.

You don't have to like it but you can still call it a drat fine show.

Deadwood is probably more accomplished and all-round brilliant, but I think The Wire is doing something slightly more sophisticated than historical drama. If Deadwood had received a fourth or fifth season then I think it would have come out on top.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Dec 31, 2009

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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Dark Weasel posted:

Kind of clueless as to what to watch now. Tried to watch Mad Men but I just hated it, and Deadwood, I find, is very not-conducive to binging.

e: And oh poo poo I forgot 30 Rock. My brother and I hopped on this one together- I think we watched the first two seasons in a week.

What about one season wonders like Day Break and Journeyman? Both great. Day Break though is immense. Or Jericho.. though the second 'season' divided opinions.

About 30 Rock, I watched the first few episodes when it started and loved them, but then it seemed to get a bit self indulgent. What's the quality like over the whole run? Is it good for binging through?

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Continuing onwards with my ER and West Wing binge...

ER - finished season 3.
Very solid and not a bad ep in it. The writers have really got a hold of the cast and characters now, and the group of directors they have working on it keep a tighter rein on the shows, so they flow easily from action to slow-paced dialogue. Still not reaching the heights of later years but better than most shows since.

West Wing - finished season 5, started 6.
Heeded the warnings of people here and friends about season five, but despite a few dodgy moments in the first couple of episodes, the show finds its feet to a certain extent after that, and is still very watchable and enjoyable (mostly due to the cast and the situations the characters are thrown into). The writing style is obviously no longer Sorkiny, they tried to imitate it at the start but dropped that in favour of doing more serious political drama, which actually worked out quite nicely.

Onto six. I'm not liking the sudden appearance of mood-music underscoring every DRAMATIC SCENE (to the point where dialogue is drowned out), also the director of the openers was a little gregarious. However, taking that in my stride, it seems to be getting good again by ep 3.

Watching West Wing and ER side by side, it's amusing to spot the alumni from the first show moving onto the next (most of the cast and crew).

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jan 15, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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Mu Zeta posted:

I also skip the entirety of season 5. If you watch it like me then you don't have to deal with the stupid as gently caress space military thing and can pretend it never happened.

It's really not that bad at all. Just watched it and I had to think for a while to remember what you're talking about. Is that Josh getting 'grounded' and put in the doghouse for seemingly no reason? They lost a little bit of a grip on some of the characters but it's still watchable and enjoyable and better than 90% of TV.

Didn't think there was an outright bad episode.

The main problem I'm suffering with Season 6 is the overloaded background musak, overly DRAMATIC moments, and Will being a oval office, but apart from that, the writing is improving again.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 16, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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jeffersonlives posted:

There's some epically bad storylines in West Wing season 5. The biggest issue is that everyone starts hating each other for no particular reason

Yeah, I definitely noticed all that, it was clumsy and annoying. But I must quite like John Wells' ilk, because I have been (re) enjoying the ER I've watched, and didn't grow to dislike West Wing s5. Not a particularly big US politics aficionado (being a Brit), so probably some of the silly plotlines went over my head. Or that the effect of binging through the series is just that basically you only remember the beginning and end and have a very vague idea of what else happened :)

Mu Zeta posted:

Oh, the thing I'm talking about happens in season 6. It's so stupid that they refrain from directly referencing it in season 7.

Something to look forward to then :downs:

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Continuing with West Wing season six. The White House stuff has blown its load (and some of the writing is painful to the point where I've skipped whole episodes), but I must say the election campaign stuff is thrilling, even in the nitty gritty on the road stuff. Particularly the casting of Jimmy Smits.

So much so that I'm thinking of watching LA Law and or NYPD Blue, both of which I have barely seen. Any pointers in those directions?

Also finished Enterprise season three. Wasn't sure at the beginning what they were doing, but it turned into something really great and memorable, although the hook into season four was a bit :wtf:

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa

jeffersonlives posted:

There's some hidden decent stuff in the season 6 White House episodes.

Hah - I actually found 365 Days to be unwatchably awful! For me, everything was wrong about that episode. Too glib and schmaltzy. I ended up skipping through it just seeing the plotpoints, and quickly watching the next election episode to clear my head of it.

Just finished the season, campaign stuff was really great and made it worth watching. I understand why they had to do White House stuff, but for me the whole switch in focus meant it lost a lot of impact. The intercutting worked well towards the end and they really should have done a lot more of that - rather than the 'two WH episodes followed by a campaign episode'.

EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:

It was more :barf: but fortunately the new showrunner for season 4 was able to use that to eliminate the time war by the end of the second episode, and make most of the rest of the season a much more believable prequel to TOS.

Edit: I guess I should spoiler tag that.

Meh, I read that spoiler anyway. I don't take Enterprise that seriously that I avoid spoilers ;)

After Enterprise, my plan is to go boldly with TNG, DS9 and then Voyager (the only other series I've seen most of) in that order. Is that a decent binge plan?

Is it worth watching TOS for any storyline chronology, or can I skip it having watched many odd episodes on different occasions? (it's fun and cool but it didn't strike me as having much in the way of drama)

Fonzarelli posted:

I'm about to finish Deadwood and its really a bummer, because i know that it finishes abruptly.

The finale of Deadwood is one of the most crushing anti-finales to any TV show. Be prepared for it. You just have to suck it up and imagine what could have happened if it had gone on for a few more seasons.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 25, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
I'm getting to the point where I think I've almost binged and re-binged through most of the good TV there is. Sad times.

This year I finished watching The West Wing for the first time, and but for a few stumbles when Sorkin left, it was consistently entertaining. Also Brotherhood, the first two seasons, good and sometimes great but doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. Watched the first two episodes of Flashforward. The first episode was okay, but the second was one of the worst episodes of TV I've ever seen and turned me off from seeing the rest. Combination of ideas stolen from every single show ever and horrendous writing and acting.

Also been rewatching Six Feet and Sopranos and I'm two episodes from the end of each. Kleenex at the ready.

The only remaining shows I've yet to watch are Friday Night Lights, Sons of Anarchy and some of the shows that have aired this year like Justified and The Pacific.

I'm hoping that with two big shows in 24 and LOST (and others) finishing, some new great epic shows will appear to fill the void. Does anyone have an inkling what those might end up being?

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 20, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
The DVD has the West coast version. I'm not sure if, when it aired in reruns later, they mashed up the East and West (as had been done with ER previously).

I watched it when I binged through the seasons having not seen it, and I wasn't expecting it, and for that reason it caught me off guard and I loved it, even with the odd mistakes. Just the idea of it alone, to pull off showing a live episode as if it were real and just having the audience make-believe more than ever was audacious as gently caress. I like it because it's not something you'd ever see attempted over here in the UK (where live episodes are usually reserved for cut price sitcoms or charity specials).

It's not at all as bad as you're making out. It's just more akin to theatre than the usual West Wing tv drama vehicle.

edit: sidenote about West Wing DVDs, the region 1 DVDs are the only ones to get if you're outside of the US. They are the only full widescreen and nicely transfered versions. The region 2 set features episodes which are letterboxed and non-anamorphic (meaning they have black bars on them and a massively reduced picture size), truly awful transfers.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 26, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Since you've got that far you owe it to yourself to see it through. It's not that bad despite the odd nutty episode, it's just not amazing sci-fi like it arguably could have been based on early seasons.

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I am coming to the end of watching the last season of Star Trek Enterprise. I almost gave up at the start of season three, but someone here persuaded me to keep watching and I'm glad they did, because it's been pretty good fun. Consistently watchable if rarely outstanding, but never poor quality.

My plan is to watch all the rest of Star Trek in chronological order as well as I can. The only other Trek I've watched before is Voyager (most of the first two seasons), and the odd episode of TOS. And most of the films.

So.. Trekkies, how exactly should I go boldly now? TOS -> TNG -> DS9 -> Voyager? Skip TOS? (my preference) Painstakingly interwatch all the overlapping TNG/DS9 DS9/Voyager episodes? Watch the movies in place of TOS? Not sure really.

After everyone has talked about it in this thread I started watching Breaking Bad a few weeks ago, and I finished season two the other night. The show is unlike anything else on TV. Was not expecting it to be quite as remarkable and different as it is, and brilliant. Certainly up there quality wise with the best of what TV land (HBO) has to offer.

The only downside is that Skyler is just an unmitigatingly stupid, annoying person and I've given up caring about her as a character. Personally I find her less sympathetic even than a certain someone who Six Feet fans lumped most of their criticism on. Other than that, good.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Aug 11, 2010

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Just finished Friday Night Lights season 2. Enjoying it more than I thought I would, it has managed to avoid the humdrum that a lot of teen drama shows aim at, and has a really strong emotional core to it. Am I right in thinking that season 3 turns to poo poo for some reason? Or if not then when does the show take a dive in quality and does it recover? (without spoilers if possible).

The best shows recently to switch off and relax to have been Entourage, Bored to Death and Men of a Certain Age (as well as more serious ones like In Treatment which require a bit more concentration). I thought Men of a Certain Age's season 1 was as good as anything on TV drama/comedy wise, but the second season (part 1) was a little too downbeat and so-so.

Some other shows I'm trying to binge on with mixed results:

Star Trek TNG - good but not as polished/slick as I would have expected it to be (didn't think it would be quite so 80s, but that's my mistake). I'm mid way through the first season, trying to watch it so I can later watch DS9 which I hear has some great story arcs. Is there a point where it becomes more like 90s Trek? I guess in the 90s? :)

NYPD - this is a classy show but for some reason it's impossible to watch rapidly. Loving its dedication to arc storytelling though. And the title theme is so good.

Chuck - this has been great fun, doesn't take itself too seriously and has some good acting turns, obvious McG influence adding to the entertainment factor. I hope they manage to break out of the formula that they've used up to the end of Season 2.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 2, 2011

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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Chamberk posted:

Good news! [Friday Night Lights] Season 2 is considered the worst season, and seasons 3-5 are awesome.

Haha. Oh well! That is good news :) What were the problems people had with season 2? The only thing I noticed was the relative lack of football and some plotline silliness. But nothing too ridiculous in the scheme of things.

(Now I'm inevitably going to end up hating the next season...)

A Violence Gang posted:

You're not, it's [In Treatment] probably the most underappreciated drama on TV. Really hope they can find some way to do a fourth season but it didn't sound likely.

If it does continue Byrne has I think signalled he won't play any further role in it. But I honestly hope it continues with Amy Ryan as the lead. It would follow naturally on from season three where it seemed she had been awakened by her experiences counselling Paul. The producers have said it is possible that the show will continue in a different format. I hope that's what they meant. Whether it'll ever reach the heights of the first season again is debatable but I still adored seasons two and three (the latter moreso). Overall it was inspiring and moving like nothing else I've ever seen on TV.

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 16:10 on May 11, 2011

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa

BlazinLow305 posted:

Can someone recommend me stuff?

The X-Files isn't on that list. I'm going to assume that's an oversight and you've seen it because seeing as you like quality serial drama it should be near the top of any must-see list (or at least, the first 6 seasons of it). Proper watercooler show, avoids the 90s cheese factor by being consistently offbeat, brilliant and stylised. Basically redefined TV for the 90s.

Twin Peaks. Everyone should have an opinion on this show.

Day Break - best show from recent years that absolutely nobody watched.

If you're going to watch Deadwood - and everyone who likes drama should watch Deadwood - just make sure to watch it last of all because it's basically peerless.

Boardwalk Empire was excellent.

A Violence Gang posted:

Been looking for more in the vein of Rome myself -- historical/period political intrigue and backstabbery. [...]Any suggestions, maybe some British stuff I'm not aware of?

Sharpe would be right up your street. That should be your port of call if you're enjoying Game of Thrones (and want to see Sean Bean being a proper actor).

Going back a bit further, watch Edge of Darkness starring Bob Peck, a classic serial from the 80s.

The best thing on British TV in recent years historical drama wise was Red Riding. However, like everything over here it was short, just a few feature-length episodes. It was political and full of intrigue but it's not like Rome and it's extremely sombre and dark. We don't have the budget for 13 episode+ seasons. But it was excellent.

Good British historical dramas (or straight dramas of any sort) are few and far between, to be honest. We mostly do bollocksy costume drama with starry casts and crappy writing.

The daddy of all historical drama is probably the Heimat series, from Germany. Deserves mentioning in the same breath as the best of US TV.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
What's the skinny on Dexter post season 2? Only just got around to watching it, loved the first season but the second was kind of wayward and only really kicked in towards the end. Thought they totally miswrote the conclusion, they had potential to do something clever with it but it fell flat. Now I heard that there's an incredibly crappy season of the show, is that season 3? I'm half-and-half on whether to bother watching the rest.

Loving the talk of Day Break in this thread. Great show, deserves recognition. The problem with it was never that it finished, or didn't tell a complete story (because it felt like a single-season show from the start), but the way it got dropped unceremoniously and erased from existence, leaving fans hanging for weeks and weeks waiting for the episodes - and when they did arrive they were incredibly poor quality streamed via a website. We got there eventually though.

I agree that Journeyman is totally worth watching if you've enjoyed Day Break, just expect even more of a 'gently caress, this got cancelled?' feeling.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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Ror posted:

Yeah, season 3 [of Dexter] is usually considered the weakest, although the latest (5) isn't in top form either IMO. If you're starting to fade on the series but want to see some more cool stuff, just go straight for season 4.

Superrodan posted:

I liked season 3 MUCH better than season 2 of Dexter.

Gah, conflicting opinions! Now I'll probably end up sitting through it to see what I think. I don't really like skipping out seasons so if 4 is worth watching then I'll slog it out. And these things are usually much more bearable in binge-form.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa

Borh posted:

I've been watching Kings lately, and it's such a weird show[...]

And yet I keep watching, partially because the story is intriguing and some of the characters are interesting but mostly because Ian McShane gets a lot of screen time and every single second is a joy to watch.

Yup. I never understood why Kings did so badly and got such harsh criticism from some sectors. Of course, if you ignore the quality of its production, you can probably say that on the whole, it was too religious for half the people, and not religious enough for the rest. Screw those people anyway.

For those like myself that found that a kind of killer balance, it was a great show, political shennanigans, modern retelling, magic realism, an excellent cast and (mostly) writing and direction as good as the best stuff on TV.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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Speaking of Seinfeld, what's the way to go about getting into that show? I tried a few years back by renting the first season. I'd been told the first season was poor compared to the rest and it really kicked on after that, but I just couldn't sit down and watch it. Kind of struggling to remember exactly what is was, but I think it just seemed quite in-jokey and exclusive right from the go, and I hate shows that think too much of themselves when they haven't earnt it.

I might be wrong about that because it was a while back now. Arrested Development definitely falls into that category though. It thinks its the poo poo, but it's incredibly obvious and not witty/charming enough to get away with it.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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If you guys like shows like The IT Crowd then check out Coupling, the original British one not the remake (don't go there). It's one of the best comedy series the UK has produced, exploring the awkwardness/intrigue of relationships, friendships, people and so on. For the first three series it gets progressively better and better and then the fourth is substantially less good for various reasons. It was compared to Friends because it has the same kind of premise and locations, but it's far more focused on witty, wordy comedy (Steven Moffat, at his prime, now working on Who and Sherlock of course) and flight of fantasy direction. Only six episodes per series as is standard over here, so you'll fly through them in no time.

Kid Moe posted:

Carnivale

What I'm asking I suppose is whether its worth committing to, does it get better, and whether it continues with the whole religious iconography thing, because that's what kept me watching that first episode.

Religion is one of the biggest themes as it goes on. It's pretty much the epitome of arc based television, but it's slow paced even by HBO standards. Expect to get practically nowhere even by the end of the first season. It's not something that is neatly encapsulated. And then it has an aborted end. But each episode is kind of a mini masterpiece of storytelling, and the acting is always incredible. Shame it didn't get a proper run out but quite honestly it could have been a good few seasons before it was clear where it was heading (I seem to remember it was planned for three).

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jul 4, 2011

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

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edit: gently caress, double.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa

A Violence Gang posted:

Watched the first two episodes of The IT Crowd (UK) and didn't care for it at all. I haven't seen a lot of The Big Bang Theory but this feels like all the complaints I hear about it -- the nerds are ridiculous stereotypes, their dialogue is just computer words randomly strung together, everybody's mugging like it's the Disney Channel. Pretty sure this is Just Not for Me but is there a point in the first season I should make it to before bailing?

If you can't tell the difference between those two shows then yes, you should definitely stop watching. Big Bang Theory is writing via committee, is definitely mugging and all that crap, IT Crowd has one of the most celebrated comedy writers of recent decades working on it. They are night and day.

Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
^ It gets better and better as it goes on. The end of series 3 is the high water mark, though, so just prepare for that going into 4.

Power of Pecota posted:

Honestly, I'll watch anything with Garth Marenghi's Darkplace alumni. I still remember being bored late one night and seeing that it was on the Sci-Fi channel thinking it was something serious, and then seeing The Apes of Wrath episode.

Haha, when anyone goes into that show expecting a drama it is delightful :)

I've pretty much run out of shows to binge through. The few I haven't seen are things like Smallville and Grey's Anatomy. I have just started rewatching NYPD Blue, which is an excellent show but very difficult to marathon through, and I'm even considering Dawson's Creek. Yeah, sad times. Still, there's the project of watching Star Trek in canonical order on the go. I'll get through a few TNG episodes a week and there is a lot of episodes ahead...

Harmonica fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jul 16, 2011

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Harmonica
May 18, 2004

il cinema è la vita e viceversa
Yeah I would have said that season really nails the way people feel that teaching can always be a force for good, even the strongest force. Not that it's really feel-good most of the time, being The Wire and all. The commentry tracks on that season are the best.

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