Ambrose Burnside posted:

lever-action top-loading magazine-fed repeating crossbow and it's almost 2000 years old

e: trained soldiers could pull off 10 bolts in 15 seconds easy from the hip
that rate of fire wasn't seen in the western world until napoleon fielded pneumatic pop-gun snipers (also cool but not an ancient superweapon)

for sale posted:

guns and cannons and armor can gently caress off, they don't exist in my UTOPIAS! gently caress the appreciation of human ingenuity during a struggle for life, BLOOD IS BAD! EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS WROOOONG!

T-Paine posted:

this thread aint about ancient agricultural innovations

why do you suppose that is

maria4286 posted:

we talked about them already in a thread you missed because you were on a month-long probation

T-Paine posted:

wow talk about ownage right here

it's not even accurate because i could still read the forums anyway

T-Paine posted:

wow talk about ownage right here

it's not even accurate because i could still read the forums anyway

jools posted:

hey t-paine remember that D&D thread where you embarrassed yourself arguing against calenth

you start off all

"hell yeah." *puts sunglasses on with miami skyline as backdrop* "gonna bring socialism to the masses."

and you let him drag you into a horrible shitstorm of libtard word games

i lost faith in you man

maria4526 posted:

my loving god, there's eeven one where mccaine posts a list of at least 5 books as a recommendation

maria4286 posted:

you may have some correct opinions, but you're largely dumb and gay, t-paine

also unfunny

T-Paine posted:

holy poo poo man what an embarrassment. guess i must have missed that thread!? *slinks back under a rock* omg...

T-Paine posted:

BEHOLD: the Hunnic LardBOw!! Well guess what the old Huns used to do with their lards? Hint: they didn't cook with them, unless the dish was WhOoPaSs...yeah they used to cover arrows in a casing of fat, set those fuckers on fire and then loose them on a greek village. the smell of cooking deliciousness drew the greeks out with hopes of sweet sweet bacon, but instead they only found PeRfOrAtIoN...sit the gently caress down greeks. Just. Sit. The. gently caress. Down. Cuz the Huns are in town bitches.

T-Paine posted:

i am feebleminded....such is my lot in life

T-Paine posted:

i am feebleminded....such is my lot in life

ANTEATER 4 PREZ posted:

if youre not posting about ancient weapons shut up thx

coefficient v2.0 posted:

the swiss pike square is peak phalanx they could have kicked the poo poo out of the macedonians even if you swapped their steel poo poo for bronze

they could maintain formation while charging over rocky, uneven and sloped ground, and switch direction in a matter of seconds. how cool is that

jools posted:

come on either post some slick burns or defend your opinions in a manner almost as stereotypically adolescent-socialist as thug lessons

maria4286 posted:

are you going to talk about namibia and angola next? you used to post in helldump man, didn't you at least learn how to burn people?

T-Paine posted:

where did you come from and why dont you go back there

maybe i can take a lesson from your posting? here goes:

you aren't funny.
i don't like you.
i think you're not very funny.
your posts are bad.
your mind is weak.

Unkempt posted:

I made a trebuchet (although it is rather small)

Lord Wroughtarm posted:

check dis poo poo out

Mughal Composite Bow and Horse Archery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcYGwqb3So

Mughal Siege of Chittoor Fortress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQf-m1e_Rxg

Mughal Matchlock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfEDaWMj4o

Mughal Jaivana Cannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND4ui0xs0Yk

Mughal Rocketry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjJHV-z5J8g

Spanish Jimeta Horsemanship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YXusV8q1cI

Norman Cavalry Vs Saxon Infantry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzC3iQrse8Q

Godendag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlIcT9Ps8w

Data posted:

well goddamn

how far does that thing throw

Bensa posted:

The thing which made the pike square better than other spear/pike formations is its mobility, it didn't just wait for the enemy to attack since they'd have ranged weapons aswell. The swiss would charge into the enemy ranks in long columns breaking them up. The enemy usually didn't have anything prepared after its line was broken so a 100m long column of pikeman charging headlong into the front line would break in at which point the pikes on the sides would fan out. You don't need armor when you have mobility and atleast a pikes lenght of distance between you and the enemy so leather armor was the most that was worn making the whole setup incredibly cheap.

And now your entire army is broken into pieces and being crushed between columns of pikeman. What made it even worse is that the swiss having few nobility and a small upper class didn't field knights or believe in chivalry, so they'd slaughter everyone they caught.

T-Paine posted:

What the gently caress is the opposing army thinking letting a 100m FUCKOFF COLUMN OF PIKEMEN just ramn right through their defensive lines? YOU DO NOT CHARGE STRAIGHT A LINE OF PIKES. BASIC TACTICAL STRATEGY. It's like, hmmm. Let's see here, these guys are gonna break up my line and after that we're hosed. Yeah, let's just keep CHARGING STRAIGHT AT THEM!! gently caress! Now my army's broken!

Let me tell you what I would have done. I would have said "Let them come at us, and when they get close we bring out the persian SWORD MISSILE." Yeah, let those pikes guard you against a loving rocket-propelled SWORD in your rear end. \_ sit the gently caress down Swiss.

Christ.

T-Paine posted:

T-Paine posted:

God I am still loving pissed off about that. You do. not. let a line of pikes ruin your poo poo people. easiest thing to guard against, but i guess some commandrs just have their heads so far up their own asses they can't loving see what's right in front of them.

uinfuirudo posted:

you are a tremendous retard.

T-Paine posted:

at least I wouldn't let something as primitive a loving mob of spearmen just wedge my army in two and then run around all day while they get slaughtered. unfuckingbelievable.

Bensa posted:

The small squares operated independently of each other, the armies would be even further broken up under the control of cantonal captains. No head honcho like in other armies. This means they can make decisions fast and move fast due to training and equipment. Unlike other formations a pike square could both defend and attack from all sides so it didn't need to stay put in relation to other formations. What they often had is the sides would be pikeman and inside would be two-handed swordsmen or halberdiers who could jump out once the enemy line was broken.

These people were still expecting pitched battles, the swiss square is the model for all the other high mobility and utility formations that followed. It became outdated when armies began having well trained combined arms and strong frontal defenses.

jools posted:

uh, spearmen? pikes are far more refined god

T-Paine posted:

the difference is purely academic and in the real world we use those words interchangeabley. thank you very much.

T-Paine posted:

the difference is purely academic and in the real world we use those words interchangeabley. thank you very much.

ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:

picture this:
a couple of war elephants tied together with silk ropes that have been fitted with a platform. On top of the platform there's a hwacha shooting mughal rocket swords and the elephants trunks are filled up with greek fire so they can spray it at the enemy. also on the platform there are several norman knights mounting their horses that are specially trained to jumped off the elephants into the battle. And the elephants are actually stonepunk elephants powered by bagdad batteries and antykhera mecanisms.

now that would AWESOWN (a contraction of awesome and own)

T-Paine posted: