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Staltran posted:In addition to what everyone said, they probably made Ion with basic functionality (walking, talking, etc) so he could fill the role of Fon Master soon after creation. Without the neuroplasticity of an infant brain those probably took a few years for Luke. Luke is also the first successful isofonic replica so you can think of him as the prototype. It makes sense that in the five years between Luke's creation and Ion's, Dist made improvements to the replication process such that Ion was able to get up to speed much faster than Luke was.
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Sep 23, 2020 02:43
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Yes.
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Sep 23, 2020 02:50
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Sep 23, 2020 03:07
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When?
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Later.
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Sep 23, 2020 15:39
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When's the earliest the Bloody Beak in Vesperia spawns? I just got Sylph, but I have one more Giganto other than Beak to kill before I get all of them so I'd like to know if Beak only appears after all the rest are dead.
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Sep 25, 2020 18:20
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is it okay to talk about that Scarlet Nexus game, since that has people who work on Tales of on it?
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The premise for Arise reads like it was written for a soft-core porn film from the eighties tbh.
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Sep 26, 2020 02:47
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Junpei posted:is it okay to talk about that Scarlet Nexus game, since that has people who work on Tales of on it? I've tried to care about the stuff that I've seen about that game and consistently keep failing to.
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Phantasium posted:I've tried to care about the stuff that I've seen about that game and consistently keep failing to. I asked because the OP of that game by the Oral Cigarettes just dropped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqI2b9wnFA
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Sep 26, 2020 03:17
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scarlet nexus looks like tales with half the things i like about tales surgically removed
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Sep 26, 2020 03:19
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From what I've seen, Scarlet Nexus reminds me way more of something like Astral Chain than it does Tales. That's good enough for me to be interested, but not for the same reasons as I like this series.
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Momomo posted:From what I've seen, Scarlet Nexus reminds me way more of something like Astral Chain than it does Tales. that would explain my apathy real easy
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Sep 26, 2020 04:25
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I do agree it looks a lot like a Platinum game. But I like Platinum's games, and I will support any game like it. Plus, that OP slams.
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Sep 26, 2020 04:27
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Junpei posted:I do agree it looks a lot like a Platinum game. But I like Platinum's games, and I will support any game like it. I haven't heard of Scarlet Nexus but dang, I'm in for pretty much any type of platinum esque games so I'm here for it
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Sep 26, 2020 16:13
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Junpei posted:I asked because the OP of that game by the Oral Cigarettes just dropped. [singing in japanese]
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Sep 26, 2020 17:51
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What are the other cigarette alternatives?
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Sep 27, 2020 04:37
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I’m trying to knock out the stupid dog map quest and the scene in Aurnion isn’t triggering (I got all the previous scenes). This is my map, for reference. Could I get some guidance here?
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You're still missing a bunch. Make sure you rest once in every individually named area on that map -- with the exception of the few you can't actually land in, like the Inner/Outer Ocean ones. You can see what your current area is in the top-right of the regular menu. Don't actually use the visuals as a reference too much, they're misleading, it may look like you own an area that you don't actually. For reference: https://lparchive.org/Tales-of-Vesperia/Update%20131/ Also make sure you did the sidequest that gives Ba'ul the ability to land in cold and rugged areas, you'll need that for some of them. I think that's from the ring flying minigame in the Krityan town? e: Oh, make sure you've seen the Dahngrest scene too, I think you have to trigger them in order. Admiral H. Curtiss fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 20:04
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:You're still missing a bunch. Make sure you rest once in every individually named area on that map -- with the exception of the few you can't actually land in, like the Inner/Outer Ocean ones. You can see what your current area is in the top-right of the regular menu. Don't actually use the visuals as a reference too much, they're misleading, it may look like you own an area that you don't actually. I got the scene after figuring out that I can go to the world map, toggle over to the region section, and the areas colored in green correspond to where you need to camp. e: except now I've hit the issue of it being nigh-impossible to tell which areas haven't been camped in at all since the map is so blue. e2: seriously, the wolf has a tiny sliver left, but there's enough of a bar of completely unclaimed territory that I can't figure out where it is. BearDrivingTruck fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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Sep 27, 2020 20:57
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Prolly not a full-fledged game while Arise is still chugging along in development (or maybe even that thing they did in the past where they just trademarked ones they might use) but Tales of Luminaria has been trademarked.
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Oct 15, 2020 03:56
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TBF if Arise comes out in mid-2021 they might have a skeleton crew working on the next game, like how Berseria was started before Zesty released.
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Endorph posted:TBF if Arise comes out in mid-2021 they might have a skeleton crew working on the next game, like how Berseria was started before Zesty released. Really? That seems so weird, like not that practice specifically but that it happens with Zestria/Berseria since everyone keeps saying the latter feels largely like an apology for the former. Speaking of Berseria, I beat it again. It really is a pretty drat good game, maybe not perfect, but the story is engaging even if it’s a tad disappointing that it becomes more of a standard JRPG story about finding the X things and saving the world from not-Instrumentality. The gameplay is pretty good after the earlygame hump of stuns/ailments not procing, probably not as good as Graces in and of itself but the AI doesn’t melt to the enemy on higher difficulties so...I guess the game surrounding it is better, if that makes sense? Also I think Velvet’s top (not the entire outfit, the outfit is pretty rad) is dumb, not cause it shows too much but because she still cares enough about people looking at her rack to get annoyed about it in the handful of instances it comes up so it feels bizarrely out of character that she hasn’t just gotten a less revealing one.
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Berseria is an apology for Zestiria in a lot of ways, it goes out of its ways to circumvent and comment on Zestiria's plotting failures and it had very different leads, and stuff like the female protagonist and the obvious Abyss influence were decided by the new leads, as opposed to Baba, who was fired by that point. But the basics of the plot - the stuff that actually, textually connects it to Zestiria - was in place before Zestiria came out. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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I've been playing Tales again recently because especially in this age of physical isolation due to a pandemic, I really want games that are all about friendship. I finished Vesperia a few weeks ago and I'm playing Xillia again now. I quit playing Xillia about 2/3 of the way through like five years ago but I have no memory of why, because it's so drat good. edit: I kind of feel like I want to play one of the PS1/PSP ones again but I can't decide which one. I think I have finished them all but my memory is hazy on that. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:I've been playing Tales again recently because especially in this age of physical isolation due to a pandemic, I really want games that are all about friendship. I finished Vesperia a few weeks ago and I'm playing Xillia again now. I quit playing Xillia about 2/3 of the way through like five years ago but I have no memory of why, because it's so drat good. if you've played them all but still wanna play one you could replay tales of eternia, it's short and it's one of the best written games in the series
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The Colonel posted:if you've played them all but still wanna play one you could replay tales of eternia, it's short and it's one of the best written games in the series Seconded! Eternia's one of my favorites. It's a bit dated in a couple ways and parts of it are missing in the english releases, but the battle system is a blast and the story is pretty good. If you're feeling an itch for an old school-y Tales aside from that one, Star Ocean 2 might scratch the itch a little. Additionally, "Tales of Luminaria" got a trademark in Japan now, too. So it's probably gonna be a something. A luminaria is a little paper lantern, so that's cute. If it's a mobile game I'm prepared to snub it, despite that.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I've been playing Tales again recently because especially in this age of physical isolation due to a pandemic, I really want games that are all about friendship. I finished Vesperia a few weeks ago and I'm playing Xillia again now. I quit playing Xillia about 2/3 of the way through like five years ago but I have no memory of why, because it's so drat good. I like Tales of Phantasia just for how classic jrpg it is with all the spells and summons you get to use, but the random encounter rate was ridiculous and the game's pretty dated.
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If you're looking on PSP, Rebirth has a really fun and wholesome cast. I recommend it even though it's one of those eye-rolling "why can't the races just get along" type deals, though the plot has good moments when it's not about that. I'll also second Eternia, it's neat.
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Oct 26, 2020 21:09
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was rebirth translated while i wasn't looking
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Amppelix posted:was rebirth translated while i wasn't looking nope
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If you say "Tales on PSP" the only other options are Eternia and RM1, but I don't believe that normally stops Samurai Sanders.
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You could also go for Destiny 2 in that case. It's a riot and I love it, but I don't think I can really claim that it's especially well-written. But if you don't understand the language at all, I assure you, it's a masterpiece. 
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I was going to skip even mentioning Destiny 2 because I picked it up again not that long ago and it's actually even worse than I remembered.
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for a long time i thought it was weird that the one tales game sawako natori, one of the writers on nier and drakengard, was involved with was tales of destiny 2 yesterday i found out that the tales of destiny 2 she wrote was tales of eternia and it made much, much more sense
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A friend convinced me that Fortuna was a bit more nuanced than the "public welfare bad, bootstraps good" strawman I remembered and I honestly almost didn't make it that far into the game because I had forgotten
And Fortuna wasn't even that great either.
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Even as a Destiny 2 super fan, I can't really give any credit to Kyle and Reala or their dynamics. Reala has way more connection to the main plot, but since she's a magical egg woman she's not allowed to have any real agency most of the time or Kyle wouldn't get to exist as a person in the plot. But that's ... not a problem entirely unique to this Tales of. I did like how Elraine's fanaticism would bring about essentially an SMT Law ending, and her overall demeanor of scary space pope makes her a fun antagonist. There's a lot of neat little nuggets in ToD2's story, but I don't think many of them get realized since the story keeps getting bulldozed by K+R's "love story." Fortuna herself has a Van-ish ideology, so if you liked him as an antagonist, liking her shouldn't be too hard. But she does get significantly less screen time and development. And Barbatos is just a slightly more engaging Zagi. So eh to him.
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It's not unique to D2 but unlike say Colette who's just along for the ride, Reala only reaches that point after a solid half a game of Kyle constantly bullying her into that position and actively keeping her in line. It's worse because it's setting Reala's role up as an active thesis that characters go out of their way to argue, even Reala herself, instead of just being a regressive implicit assumption. If you want to be precise, Elraine is the opposite of Van and more comparable to Artorius, but she sucks compared to them both. Artorius' quest to end emotions so no one can feel pain is an expression of his own trauma and inability to process emotion in a healthy way. Fortuna literally exists to be a philosophical strawman. And the way their viewpoints are expressed is subtly different in ways that make it a completely different point. Berseria is for the right to exist despite suffering; Destiny 2 is against the idea of reducing suffering. Berseria says suffering is valid, Destiny 2 says it's necessary. Caphi fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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I don't really know which is the worse version of "this character is clearly being held back for the male self-insert" but my point was mainly that it's an early Tales thing that's mostly gone by the wayside, which is nice. I didn't say Elraine was like Van, I said Fortuna was. Elraine's beliefs are somewhat less relatable than Fortuna's because she's significantly more hostile to the notion that people should be allowed to be anything. Fortuna's whole thing is that she doesn't understand why suffering is necessary as long as she's around, because she can grant people an endless bliss if they'd just ignore their dumb base instincts and let her have full control over everything. Her arguments are that it's impossible for humans to be happy as humans because every human life is a story, and every story has its ups and downs and -- most importantly -- leads directly into another story. Fortuna doesn't think that the ups are worth the downs, and I think part of why she's an interesting villain is because it doesn't seem like she's capable of understanding that. She's an axiom that is at odds with the people she would save, and so she gets rejected because by saving humanity she would end it. It's an interesting perspective, but like I said, I don't know that it gets developed enough.
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