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namaste faggots
Sep 17, 2004


optikalus posted:

Well, my "SAN" has just turned itself into a pile of crap.

I lost two drives and the thing is still running thanks to the hotspare and RAID5, but obviously if I lose one more drive, I'm totally F'd. I overnighted two new drives to the DC which are supposed to be identical to the ones in there, but it detects them as being just a few MB smaller so the controller won't use them.

I have two options: I can bring up a TB storage box and copy all the data to it, then steal my NAS's IP address and run it there for a little bit while I rebuild the array with the smaller drive size, or I can invest in some real hardware.

I've always wanted a NetApp, but they're not answering their phone and EMC is going to get back to me by Monday.

We've already discussed the MD3000i and the general consensus is that it is junk, but I don't recall seeing why it is junk. How does it compare against the HP MSA 2000i?

How does the EVA4100 compare to the EMC and NetApp boxes?

My upper limit is probably around 20k so recommendations around that range would be appreciated.
Hi,
I'm an employee of NetApp and I can try to put you in touch with someone more responsive if you're still interested.

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Catch 22
Dec 1, 2003
Damn it, Damn it, Damn it!

optikalus posted:

~SAN~
You can get a EMC AX4-5i DP for under 20K with over 2.4TB (12x 300GB SAS 15K) of RAW usable storage. Its 19K right off the Dell site, CDW can come in under that as they can cut out the "installation" costs that Dell/EMC toss in. If you haggle with Dell they will remove it too putting you closer to 17K. If you have an account with Dell they will knock off more.

edit:If you go with EMC, make sure you buy from who EMC registers you with, as they can toss in a extra year of support for free!

Ray_
Sep 15, 2005

It was like the Colosseum in Rome and we were the Christians." - Bobby Dodd, on playing at LSU's Tiger Stadium


Catch 22 posted:

You can get a EMC AX4-5i DP for under 20K with over 2.4TB (12x 300GB SAS 15K) of RAW usable storage. Its 19K right off the Dell site, CDW can come in under that as they can cut out the "installation" costs that Dell/EMC toss in. If you haggle with Dell they will remove it too putting you closer to 17K. If you have an account with Dell they will knock off more.

edit:If you go with EMC, make sure you buy from who EMC registers you with, as they can toss in a extra year of support for free!

The HDS SMS100 is right around 12k-15k, has dual active/active controllers, and can come with the same spindle size/count. I just got mine in, but haven't had a lot of time to mess with it yet.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Can't install Windows?
BUY APPLE


Cultural Imperial posted:

I'm an employee of NetApp and I can try to put you in touch with someone more responsive if you're still interested.

What do you do at NetApp?

markus876
Aug 18, 2002

I am a comedy trap.

Wicaeed posted:

Netapp FAS270 filer head with two or three HD magazines..
How hopelessly outdated are these things?

The FAS270s aren't really that ancient. They were never known for speed, but they are plenty reliable, and with a few shelves of disks, should move along alright. Really, the biggest performance issue is the small amount of memory that it can use for caching.

If you know someone with a NOW login (now.netapp.com), you can download software for it. I think the 270s were end-of-sale about half a year ago, but they are definitely not end-of-life, so may even be able to buy support for it if you care.

The shelves it uses are hopefully DS14mk2 units. If so, they can take 144 or 300gb FC drives if you want (10k or 15k). I'm also pretty sure you can attach DS14 shelves that are meant for SATA disks if you want capacity.

So to sum up - they aren't fast, but they are pretty reliable, and they are relatively modern / can run modern ontap.

Worst case, I'm sure you can eBay or sell it to a hardware reseller if you can get it cheap.

Wicaeed
Feb 8, 2005


markus876 posted:

The FAS270s aren't really that ancient. They were never known for speed, but they are plenty reliable, and with a few shelves of disks, should move along alright. Really, the biggest performance issue is the small amount of memory that it can use for caching.

If you know someone with a NOW login (now.netapp.com), you can download software for it. I think the 270s were end-of-sale about half a year ago, but they are definitely not end-of-life, so may even be able to buy support for it if you care.

The shelves it uses are hopefully DS14mk2 units. If so, they can take 144 or 300gb FC drives if you want (10k or 15k). I'm also pretty sure you can attach DS14 shelves that are meant for SATA disks if you want capacity.

So to sum up - they aren't fast, but they are pretty reliable, and they are relatively modern / can run modern ontap.

Worst case, I'm sure you can eBay or sell it to a hardware reseller if you can get it cheap.

Erg, I guess I had a mistype, it's not a 270, it's a Net Appliance NetApp F720 and it uses Eurologic NetApp XL501R Fibre Channel JBOD FC9 (I know our company has a bunch of FC7's laying around)

How outdated is that?

markus876
Aug 18, 2002

I am a comedy trap.

Wicaeed posted:

Erg, I guess I had a mistype, it's not a 270, it's a Net Appliance NetApp F720 and it uses Eurologic NetApp XL501R Fibre Channel JBOD FC9 (I know our company has a bunch of FC7's laying around)

How outdated is that?

OK, yea, thats quite a bit older I would probably pass on this one.

1000101
May 14, 2003

BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY FRUITCAKE!

Wicaeed posted:

Erg, I guess I had a mistype, it's not a 270, it's a Net Appliance NetApp F720 and it uses Eurologic NetApp XL501R Fibre Channel JBOD FC9 (I know our company has a bunch of FC7's laying around)

How outdated is that?

Scales up to 1.2TB!

When you used the word "monstrous" to describe it; it made me suspicious of having a FAS270...

The 270 is 3u and the heads are integrated into the back of the first shelf.

http://www.berkcom.com/NetApp/netapp-F720.php

here's some info on the F720.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Can't install Windows?
BUY APPLE


Wicaeed posted:

Erg, I guess I had a mistype, it's not a 270, it's a Net Appliance NetApp F720 and it uses Eurologic NetApp XL501R Fibre Channel JBOD FC9 (I know our company has a bunch of FC7's laying around)

How outdated is that?

For learning it is fine. OnTAP 6.5 or something will the be the latest OS it runs, since they stopped making Alpha versions sometime around then, maybe 6.4. It is going to be brutal on your electric bill, though.

Wicaeed
Feb 8, 2005


We have a secondary IDF for employee projects

M@
Jul 10, 2004


I don't think the 720 is too monstrous. Unless, well, they wanted a 270 in the first place.

Wicaeed
Feb 8, 2005


Welp, it is a Netapp F720, and it has two HD magazines filled with 32GB drives.

The kicker is that they want 20 bucks for the filer head and 20 dollar for each HD magazine

Not bad for 60 bucks.

So who on here do I know that has access to OpTap 6 software?

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!

Hey, the 720/40/60 series are beasts!

Beasts in how much power they use, how much noise they make, how much space they take.

But they're stable as a rock - we've still got a couple in active use, they're that good. (Realistically they've been replaced by a newer box - they make for good scratch/tmp space now).

The main issue is the fun of sourcing replacement drives.

1000101
May 14, 2003

BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY FRUITCAKE!

If you can find an FC or SCSI drive that fits the chassis, you can slot it in and it will work. NetApp will just cancel any support on the box.

If its just a temp storage spot then its not a huge deal.

Wicaeed
Feb 8, 2005


Welp, I made the plunge

Got the filer head, two HD magazines with 7 32GB drives in them each, new in box ( ) Data OnTap 6.5 OS software (it says its for a FAS250, dunno if it will work), and a shrinkwrapped box with Data ONTAP 6.5.1R1 software in it as well as all the cabling

$60

I would post pictars but waffleimages seems to be flooded or something

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Can't install Windows?
BUY APPLE


Wicaeed posted:

Welp, I made the plunge

Got the filer head, two HD magazines with 7 32GB drives in them each, new in box ( ) Data OnTap 6.5 OS software (it says its for a FAS250, dunno if it will work), and a shrinkwrapped box with Data ONTAP 6.5.1R1 software in it as well as all the cabling

As long as it's the correct architecture type (Alpha vs. i386) you will be fine. I don't believe any of the ontap images are any different from any other. The only thing it does is run/not run processes based on licensing.

Mierdaan
Sep 14, 2004



Pillbug

With the FAS2020, do we need to pay for the CIFS and NFS software licenses if we only intend to use it as an iSCSI target initially? Understandably we'd lose the NAS functionality, but we can add it back in later.

We have a PC Mall sales engineer claiming we need at least CIFS to allow Windows-based hosts to use the FAS as an iSCSI target, which just seems odd to me.

edit: nevermind, I asked him the question again via email and he recanted. Huzzah!

Mierdaan fucked around with this message at Nov 19, 2008 around 19:01

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



Mierdaan posted:

With the FAS2020, do we need to pay for the CIFS and NFS software licenses if we only intend to use it as an iSCSI target initially? Understandably we'd lose the NAS functionality, but we can add it back in later.

We have a PC Mall sales engineer claiming we need at least CIFS to allow Windows-based hosts to use the FAS as an iSCSI target, which just seems odd to me.

edit: nevermind, I asked him the question again via email and he recanted. Huzzah!

I think you might needs the CIFS license if you plan to also use snapdrive on the windows hosts, but I could be wrong.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Can't install Windows?
BUY APPLE


Mierdaan posted:

(sales bullshit)

edit: nevermind, I asked him the question again via email and he recanted. Huzzah!

Always get them to put it in writing. It helps keep sales people honest. If you're really not sure, call up Netapp and ask them directly!

namaste faggots
Sep 17, 2004


Maneki Neko posted:

I think you might needs the CIFS license if you plan to also use snapdrive on the windows hosts, but I could be wrong.
Q. Do I need a CIFS license on the storage system to run SnapDrive?
A. No. SnapDrive no longer requires a CIFS share for the host to access the storage system volumes.

And...

Minimum required version of Data ONTAP: 7.1

Table of licenses you need, depending on what you want to do.
code:
License  	Requirement if you want to...
iSCSI 	        Use iSCSI-accessed LUNs
FCP 	        Use FCP-accessed LUNs
SnapRestore 	Restore LUNs from Snapshot copies
SnapMirror 	Use the SnapMirror option
FlexClone 	Enable volume clone functionality on flexible volumes
SnapVault 	Use SnapVault for archiving LUN backup sets
MultiStore 	Create LUNs on vFiler units
Also, please note that a SnapDrive license is required for every SAN host/initiator.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



Cultural Imperial posted:

Q. Do I need a CIFS license on the storage system to run SnapDrive?
A. No. SnapDrive no longer requires a CIFS share for the host to access the storage system volumes.

Shows how long it's been since I used SnapDrive.

Mierdaan
Sep 14, 2004



Pillbug

Is there a good online resource for finding out what Netapp's different software licenses actually allow you to do? Their online doc on SnapDrive is horrible, horrible marketing garbage.

namaste faggots
Sep 17, 2004


Mierdaan posted:

Is there a good online resource for finding out what Netapp's different software licenses actually allow you to do? Their online doc on SnapDrive is horrible, horrible marketing garbage.

Unfortunately the only good source is the NOW support site. What would you like to know?

Mierdaan
Sep 14, 2004



Pillbug

Cultural Imperial posted:

Unfortunately the only good source is the NOW support site. What would you like to know?

I'm not even sure, really. I wanted to read through some different documentation on the various Snap* and Flex* products, just for my own edification, but wasn't finding much.

M@
Jul 10, 2004


Cultural Imperial posted:

Unfortunately the only good source is the NOW support site. What would you like to know?

Ah yes, that great resource.

I have to say, Netapp's website is the worst website ever for finding information on anything.

Mierdaan posted:


Is there a good online resource for finding out what Netapp's different software licenses actually allow you to do? Their online doc on SnapDrive is horrible, horrible marketing garbage.

I have a pretty good handle on the licensing mumbo jumbo. If you want, shoot me an IM tomorrow.

Ray_
Sep 15, 2005

It was like the Colosseum in Rome and we were the Christians." - Bobby Dodd, on playing at LSU's Tiger Stadium


Okay this is completely random, but if anyone has a HDS SAN (the SMS100 in particular) and you enable the "account" license feature just to see what it does, the login is root with password being storage. That was sort of embarrassing.

Ray_
Sep 15, 2005

It was like the Colosseum in Rome and we were the Christians." - Bobby Dodd, on playing at LSU's Tiger Stadium


So, what are everyone's thoughts regarding stripe size for LUNs?

Isn't it basically smaller for maximizing I/Os and larger for maximizing file transfers?

I just read this Technet blog (here) regarding Exchange disk parameters:

Technet posted:

4) Tune storage array parameters. Some suggestions: 4kb cache page size (only if Exchange is the only thing on the array, otherwise leave it at 8kb). Maximize the write cache -- this is HUGE for Exchange performance; we're very write cache effective. Minimal (50-100mb) read cache. Enable cache watermarks. Enable read&write cached for all luns. Stripe element size of 64 blocks (32kb).

5) Align disk partitions to stripe size. If you've got a stripe element size of 32kb (see #4, just above), you'll want to make sure you've aligned your partitions to a 32kb boundary to prevent inefficient access to some of the blocks of data. Most of the SAN vendors have much better docs on this than I can provide here.


The 32kb alignment is different from the VMWare-recommended 64kb alignment. Is this suggestion just for Exchange?


I'm going a little nuts here. Most of my previous SAN work was with Datacore (former company's vendor of choice), and it was ridiculously simplified. I'm thinking for my Exchange LUNs I should set the stripe size to 64kb, align the partition at 32k boundary, and set allocation size to 32k. Does that sound correct?

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO

Ray_ posted:

The 32kb alignment is different from the VMWare-recommended 64kb alignment. Is this suggestion just for Exchange?


I'm going a little nuts here. Most of my previous SAN work was with Datacore (former company's vendor of choice), and it was ridiculously simplified. I'm thinking for my Exchange LUNs I should set the stripe size to 64kb, align the partition at 32k boundary, and set allocation size to 32k. Does that sound correct?

On any Windows (or Linux) host you should use diskpar or diskpart prior to creating a partition on a SAN drive. This will help eliminate stripe crossing which can degrade performance.

Stripe sizing can help performance, and it depends on your application's I/O profile. I would follow recommended sizing for your application.

oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Maneki Neko posted:

Shows how long it's been since I used SnapDrive.

While the share was necessary before the Snapdrive 6 came out, you did not need CIFS license. You could just go through CLI and create the necessary share as well as put permissions on it. You just did not have the option in the GUI.

oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Cultural Imperial posted:

Q. Do I need a CIFS license on the storage system to run SnapDrive?
A. No. SnapDrive no longer requires a CIFS share for the host to access the storage system volumes.

And...

Minimum required version of Data ONTAP: 7.1

Table of licenses you need, depending on what you want to do.
code:
License  	Requirement if you want to...
iSCSI 	        Use iSCSI-accessed LUNs
FCP 	        Use FCP-accessed LUNs
SnapRestore 	Restore LUNs from Snapshot copies
SnapMirror 	Use the SnapMirror option
FlexClone 	Enable volume clone functionality on flexible volumes
SnapVault 	Use SnapVault for archiving LUN backup sets
MultiStore 	Create LUNs on vFiler units
Also, please note that a SnapDrive license is required for every SAN host/initiator.

Another little known fact: You do NOT need FCP to run NDMP over fiber.

oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Backing up or replicating (locally) large amount of data, how do you guys do it? So, my new project will require me to backup/replicate/copy/whatever about 100TB of data to tertiary storage.

I will already be doing replicate to remote DR system, but will want to do a backup or replication job to local storage. I ruled out NetBackup with VTL or tapes since that is really unmanageable with this much storage, and now I am trying to figure out what is out there to use. So far, best option seems to be SAN vendor based replication of DATA to nearby cheaper storage SAN.

So, with NetApp, for example, I could take primary 3170 SAN cluster and then SnapMirror or SnapVault that to NearPoint SAN (basically a 3140 or something). It would be similar with say Equalogic from Dell or EMC. Other then this sort of thing, which requires bunch of overhead for SnapShots, is there any sort of say block-level streaming backup software that could be used (ala MS DPM 2007)?

I haven't kept up with EMC recently, but their Celerra stuff looks interesting. Is anyone here familiar with it?

Vanilla
Feb 24, 2002

Hay guys what's going on in th

oblomov posted:

Backing up or replicating (locally) large amount of data, how do you guys do it? So, my new project will require me to backup/replicate/copy/whatever about 100TB of data to tertiary storage.

People usually use array based remote replication tools to replicate their data to another array at another site.

They also use array based local replication to create local copies of their data for backup, test, dev, etc.

Backup is then often over SAN to VTL or straight to tape.

quote:

I will already be doing replicate to remote DR system, but will want to do a backup or replication job to local storage. I ruled out NetBackup with VTL or tapes since that is really unmanageable with this much storage, and now I am trying to figure out what is out there to use. So far, best option seems to be SAN vendor based replication of DATA to nearby cheaper storage SAN.

Most vendors have local replication tools to make 'Snaps' or 'clones'.

It's not really that clear what you are trying to do.

quote:

So, with NetApp, for example, I could take primary 3170 SAN cluster and then SnapMirror or SnapVault that to NearPoint SAN (basically a 3140 or something). It would be similar with say Equalogic from Dell or EMC. Other then this sort of thing, which requires bunch of overhead for SnapShots, is there any sort of say block-level streaming backup software that could be used (ala MS DPM 2007)?

I still don't follow i'm afraid

quote:

I haven't kept up with EMC recently, but their Celerra stuff looks interesting. Is anyone here familiar with it?

What do you want to know?

oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Vanilla posted:

People usually use array based remote replication tools to replicate their data to another array at another site.

They also use array based local replication to create local copies of their data for backup, test, dev, etc.

Yes, I plan to do that. I am going to have a set of storage with bunch of data at one site and will replicate (through SAN replication technology, SnapMirror, SRDF, whatever) to my hot DR site. In addition to that I need a third copy of data locally for higher level of protection (and at least somewhat delayed write just in case).

quote:

Backup is then often over SAN to VTL or straight to tape.

Most vendors have local replication tools to make 'Snaps' or 'clones'.

It's not really that clear what you are trying to do.

I need to make a backup of the data or a replica of data to localized storage. This includes a Database (SQL, 3-4TB), a few TB (say 15) of index logs (non-sql, full text search kind), and 60-70TB of flat files. Tapes won't work, there is too much to backup. I was thinking of doing SnapShot replicas but just wondered if there was a better way then doing NetApp sort of SnapMirror/SnapVault (or EMC/Equalogic/Whatever equivalent).

quote:

What do you want to know?

How are the new Clarions compared to say a NetApp or Equalogic. I did not like cx3 series much since that seemed to be limited in both management and features compared to the competition, but it seems that Cx4 caught up to NetApp at least and bypassed it on some fronts (from a SAN perspective, not NAS).

Vanilla
Feb 24, 2002

Hay guys what's going on in th

oblomov posted:

Yes, I plan to do that. I am going to have a set of storage with bunch of data at one site and will replicate (through SAN replication technology, SnapMirror, SRDF, whatever) to my hot DR site. In addition to that I need a third copy of data locally for higher level of protection (and at least somewhat delayed write just in case).

Ok, any decent array can do this and will have the ability to take crash consistent copies of things like Oracle and Exchange.

quote:

I need to make a backup of the data or a replica of data to localized storage. This includes a Database (SQL, 3-4TB), a few TB (say 15) of index logs (non-sql, full text search kind), and 60-70TB of flat files. Tapes won't work, there is too much to backup. I was thinking of doing SnapShot replicas but just wondered if there was a better way then doing NetApp sort of SnapMirror/SnapVault (or EMC/Equalogic/Whatever equivalent).

As above. In the EMC world they would use something called Replication Manager. This would manage all the local replication such as cloning and snapping. Just set the times and all the other details and it'll do it the same every day.

It will take consistent copies of SQL, Exchange, Oracle and others. You can then tell it to do whatever you want with that clone. Mount it flat file to a certain server, back it up, and so on.

quote:

How are the new Clarions compared to say a NetApp or Equalogic. I did not like cx3 series much since that seemed to be limited in both management and features compared to the competition, but it seems that Cx4 caught up to NetApp at least and bypassed it on some fronts (from a SAN perspective, not NAS).

Well above you mention Celerra which is EMC NAS. Clariion is EMC Mid-Range SAN.

This can turn into a real bitch fight. I suggest you look at what the market is doing and who is strong where. With regards to NAS IDC has EMC/Dell and Netapp neck and neck with regards to share, EMC/Dell at 39% and Netapp/IBM at 34%. Both far ahead of anyone else. So some good competition there, next to EMC & Netapp is HP and IBM but they're both far, far away on around 5% of market share.

With regards to SAN (excluding iSCSI) it's different. EMC's range is out at 31%, Netapp at 4%. Some of that number will be Symmetrix but Gartner has always put the Clariion in the lead in magic quadrants. The CX4 does have some new features such as Flash Drives, 64bit OS, drive spin down, in the box migration (move data fro the fast drives to the slow drives), etc.

oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Vanilla posted:

Ok, any decent array can do this and will have the ability to take crash consistent copies of things like Oracle and Exchange.


As above. In the EMC world they would use something called Replication Manager. This would manage all the local replication such as cloning and snapping. Just set the times and all the other details and it'll do it the same every day.

It will take consistent copies of SQL, Exchange, Oracle and others. You can then tell it to do whatever you want with that clone. Mount it flat file to a certain server, back it up, and so on.


Well above you mention Celerra which is EMC NAS. Clariion is EMC Mid-Range SAN.

This can turn into a real bitch fight. I suggest you look at what the market is doing and who is strong where. With regards to NAS IDC has EMC/Dell and Netapp neck and neck with regards to share, EMC/Dell at 39% and Netapp/IBM at 34%. Both far ahead of anyone else. So some good competition there, next to EMC & Netapp is HP and IBM but they're both far, far away on around 5% of market share.

With regards to SAN (excluding iSCSI) it's different. EMC's range is out at 31%, Netapp at 4%. Some of that number will be Symmetrix but Gartner has always put the Clariion in the lead in magic quadrants. The CX4 does have some new features such as Flash Drives, 64bit OS, drive spin down, in the box migration (move data fro the fast drives to the slow drives), etc.

Yeap, looking at various things now. I am quite familiar with NetApps, run a few of the clusters right now, and much less familiar with EMC. Anyhow, appreciate the response, man.

Wicaeed
Feb 8, 2005


Can someone explain to me how Netapp does their licensing? I bought these F720 filers but I'm having some issues getting it to run properly (which isn't related to licensing), but I've read a blog where if you don't have the right license to run a specific software (NFS/CIFS) the thing is pretty drat useless anyways.

I've gone to the Netapp website and looked up my product serial # and don't see any recent licenses under that number, and it has me worried. I also noticed on Ebay auctions 99% of the time the seller never specifies if the filer comes with a license or not, which may be why things are so cheap.

I figure it probably wouldn't be worth my time/money to buy a license from Netapp, am I right?

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



Wicaeed posted:

I figure it probably wouldn't be worth my time/money to buy a license from Netapp, am I right?

Yeah, you're probably pretty well hosed, unless you can find some nice field engineer to take pity on you.

Nomex
Jul 17, 2002

Flame retarded.

oblomov posted:

Backing up or replicating (locally) large amount of data, how do you guys do it? So, my new project will require me to backup/replicate/copy/whatever about 100TB of data to tertiary storage.

I will already be doing replicate to remote DR system, but will want to do a backup or replication job to local storage. I ruled out NetBackup with VTL or tapes since that is really unmanageable with this much storage, and now I am trying to figure out what is out there to use. So far, best option seems to be SAN vendor based replication of DATA to nearby cheaper storage SAN.

So, with NetApp, for example, I could take primary 3170 SAN cluster and then SnapMirror or SnapVault that to NearPoint SAN (basically a 3140 or something). It would be similar with say Equalogic from Dell or EMC. Other then this sort of thing, which requires bunch of overhead for SnapShots, is there any sort of say block-level streaming backup software that could be used (ala MS DPM 2007)?

I haven't kept up with EMC recently, but their Celerra stuff looks interesting. Is anyone here familiar with it?

I may be a little late with this. You should look into a data de-duplicating solution for the backup and tertiary storage. Check out Data Domain. They can be optioned to mount as SMB, NFS, FC or iSCSI. I've had one that I've been playing with for a little while now. My 300GB test data set deduplicated down to 101 GB on the first pass. Speed is pretty good too. 3GB/min over a single gigabit link. As it just shows up as disk space, it's supported by pretty much every backup product you can think of too.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Can't install Windows?
BUY APPLE


Wicaeed posted:

Can someone explain to me how Netapp does their licensing?

Expensively, and based on raw capacity/filer capacity.

quote:

I figure it probably wouldn't be worth my time/money to buy a license from Netapp, am I right?

You might as well give them a call. The worst thing that happens is they laugh at you. If you can't get a license from them, and are willing to work something out a little hokey just to get the units legally working shoot me a PM/IM and I can tell you a couple companies that can help.

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namaste faggots
Sep 17, 2004


Wicaeed posted:

Can someone explain to me how Netapp does their licensing? I bought these F720 filers but I'm having some issues getting it to run properly (which isn't related to licensing), but I've read a blog where if you don't have the right license to run a specific software (NFS/CIFS) the thing is pretty drat useless anyways.

I've gone to the Netapp website and looked up my product serial # and don't see any recent licenses under that number, and it has me worried. I also noticed on Ebay auctions 99% of the time the seller never specifies if the filer comes with a license or not, which may be why things are so cheap.

I figure it probably wouldn't be worth my time/money to buy a license from Netapp, am I right?

Can you describe your problem in more detail? Also, please post the output to "license" on the CLI.

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