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Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


I just inherited a little bit of a mess of a network, including a NetApp StoreVault S500. From what I can gather it's a few years old and no longer under maintenance.

That, combined with the fact that it was never really implemented properly (glorified file dump for end users, not even being backed up and they never even provisioned 40% of the space), has me thinking we should get rid of it.

Would anyone else do otherwise? Is it possible to re-up the maintenance? At the very least I'd need to sink money into an LTO-4 drive to attach and get backups, and ideally would need to buy something new anyway to move half of that (oh god, critical) data off the stupid thing and start using it for iSCSI LUNs for our VMs. I'm thinking ditch it and sell it to management as yet another poorly thought out idea by the previous IT manager.

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Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Thanks, that's pretty much what I was gathering. I had the pleasure of having to fire up their retarded little management tool to figure out why a single user couldn't contact the thing at all, only to discover the OS pre-dated the DST changes and it had lost time sync with AD. That would have sucked if everyone else wasn't coasting on cached credentials.

I don't get it. We're a pretty small shop (<50 users) and were probably about 25-30 when they bought that thing for ~$13k and then turned it into a file server with no backup or even snapshots? The things I'm finding here are just...odd.

At least I report to a VP and they listen when I tell them we need to buy something.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


madsushi posted:

If you're familiar with NetApp, you can say "gently caress the StoreVault Manager" and just navigate to http://filername/na_admin and manage it like a regular NetApp. It's still Data ONTAP on the backend, and you can do just about anything with it. It's actually quite a bit better once you can start setting things up on your own, especially since you can do it the "right" way since the Manager is pretty awful.

Two caveats: the StoreVault can't authenticate CIFS users off of a Windows 2008 DC (so there has to be a 2003 DC in the environment), and it's never ever going to get a code update.

Not really familiar at all, but that's good to know. As is the 2008 DC auth issue, since I really wanted to get the DCs upgraded.

Not that it probably even matters anyway, since everyone has full permissions to every folder. Ugh.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Well, the good news is that the S500 I was talking about is now on the way out (being relegated to low-priority storage until it dies, basically).

Now I'm looking for something entirely different. I want to move to a D2D2D backup environment, one being off-site at our colo.

Our storage amount is relatively low (under 2tb, and not really growing that fast), so what would be my best bet if I wanted a fairly low end NAS/SAN that would replicate to an identical off-site unit and be fairly expandable later?

My only real experience is with Synology, but it looks like people have had issues with them recently over in the other thread and I've never tried replicating between two units.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


I'll definitely have to take a look at those. Thanks guys.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Well I just ordered an EMC VNXe 3300 right before everyone started bitching about EMC in here. I couldn't go Netapp though (previous bad experience here, no way it would fly), and EMC beat HP for our circumstances/budget.

Now I'm a little nervous. I'm not a storage guy, just a single IT guy trying to fix our lovely Hyper-V setup that's using local storage across 6 hosts.

I suppose the fact my rep changed 3 times through the sales process should have been a tipoff...

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


evil_bunnY posted:

What happened there?

It was probably mostly my predecessor's fault. She was in over her head in a lot of different areas, and some salesperson convinced her (and in turn, management) that an S500 was the answer.

Looking at it several years later, it was never implemented as anything more than a big dumb NAS for super-low-tier file shares, partially because it couldn't handle what management thought it would fix and mostly because she couldn't figure out how to make it work. It's not even backed up, and never has been.

When I walked in the door in April I highlighted that as an obvious issue, and now I'm just trying to decommission it because it's such a sore spot it would be better to get it out of the building than keep using it at all (never mind it's EOLed anyway).

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


I believe there were a couple of crappy support experiences, as well as 2 incidents where the OS basically poo poo itself and had to be completely wiped/reloaded.

I don't have all the details though, since that was before I started. From the perspective of this particular unit, it's been EOLed and it's out of support so I don't really care.

What I do know is that every time that Netapp is mentioned my CEO visibly cringes, he's friends with the previous IT manager, and trying to combat that perception of Netapp would involve trashing his friend and would be a lot of work.

They know I'm better than my predecessor or I wouldn't have just gotten a 5 figure raise, I'll just keep trashing her with actions (doing all the stuff she couldn't) rather than words. The EMC comments in here do make me a bit nervous in that sense, since it could end up making me look bad.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Well it's too late for me to change my mind now anyway since there was very much an "end of the year tax considerations" component to getting the purchase signed off on.

I'm not under any illusions that it's going to be as simple as the salespeople wanted me to think, but your experiences with the VNX line are probably different than what I'll run into with the VNXe. They are quite different in a lot of ways.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Anyone know of any major reasons why I shouldn't pull the trigger on an EMC VNX 5200 for a small (3 host) VMware environment? This is a severely time-constrained project and I'm already familiar with its little brother (have a VNXe 3300 already), so this is looking like an attractive option I could get up and running quickly.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Sickening posted:

I just setup the same machine 2 weeks ago. Are you just going with block?

Yep, just going with iSCSI using the 1gb ports (4 onboard, 4 on card) and MPIO. The idea is to fairly closely mirror my existing VNXe's setup for simplicity. If I do that, I should be able to get it set up in a day or two max and move on to other things.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Moey posted:

Out of curiosity, what kind is space and performance do you need, as well as what is that running you ballpark?

Not much space or performance at the time we build it. There will only be 3-4 VMs on the cluster initially, and it's somewhat undefined exactly how we're projecting to use it. It's a little bit of an odd project, but it made more sense to build the VMware environment now than it did to buy physical servers/appliances for everything we need to implement.

The config I was quoted was the 5200 + DAE, 2+1 100gb FAST cache, 25x600gb 10k 2.5", 2 4x1gb IO cards, 3yr 24x7x4h support, FAST suite, local protection suite, block suite for right about $22k.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


I ended up going with the VNX, mostly because of the familiarity and lack of time to research the Nimble.

Are the EMC VNX associate/specialist certs worth pursuing? After sitting through the training we had bundled and doing this implementation I'd probably be pretty close, I just don't know how much value that holds.

Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


My VNX 5200 showed up yesterday and I already wish I had a 2nd one to replace our VNXe 3300. The VNXe was easier to set up initially, but the stripped down interface started to bother me over time. Especially the missing performance related info/reporting.

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Cavepimp
Nov 9, 2006


Richard Noggin posted:

Did you purchase the monitoring suite for the VNX? Without it you don't get that info. I also really hate how EMC charges an arm and a leg just to be able to view performance info.

I had to go double check when you posted this, but yes, we did. Phew.

I hate the nickel and dime stuff usually, but in this case I'm perfectly happy to pick and choose the things we actually need instead of overpaying for some huge bundle.

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