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incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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evil_bunnY posted:


Dell (Equallogic and Compellent)
Netapp 2240 (the new one)
IBM netapp OEM stuff (3500, 3700?)
EMC VNX(e)


Get Dell and EMC fighting. EMC took 15k of the top of a 36TB (600 15k and 2TB NLSAS blend in a EMC VNXe) just because we dropped EQL name.

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incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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sanchez posted:

Seeing a lot of positive equalogic feedback in this thread, on the low end, has anyone had experience with the PS4100 series? I need to get a demo from them but what I've read so far sounds pretty good when compared with netapp at a similar price level.

I agree with EoRaptor said. Easy to use and nearly zero issues. My only issues was getting CPU panics when mixing ps4100 and a ps4000 that was fixed in a early release firmware. Never affected production or reliability, but its pretty amazing getting email at 3am from dell letting us know they are on the case.

incoherent fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Dec 18, 2011

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Is hardware like the netgear ReadyDATA too far low on the spectrum to discuss here?

Looking for options as we've blown through 36TB of space on two equallogics over two years. Refurbs with dell warranties are on the table for my search.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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NippleFloss posted:

Microsoft's SOFS is them dipping their toes in the software defined storage waters. SDS is getting a lot of hype recently. EMC is pushing ViPR, Atlantis just announced their SDS solution, different VSAN appliances are popping up...The appeal is obvious and mirror the appeal of VMWare. You take some relatively cheap, heterogenous, commodity hardware and build the storage abstraction layer on top of that. Why buy an expensive SAN that locks you into one vendor when you can reuse servers you already have, or invest in commodity gear and not have to worry about hardware lock in.

For Microsoft specifically, the appeal is that they sell more Windows operating systems. Microsoft has been making a push lately to engineer out SAN dependencies from their applications. DAGs in Exchange 2010 and SQL 2012 allow you to run fully fault tolerant services without centralized storage and without even requiring traditional backups. Hyper-V making use of SMB3 coupled with SOFS means that you can run your virtual environment entirely on windows without requiring hardware or software from another vendor. They're to push storage hardware vendors out of the picture entirely so they can monopolize the hardware stack. VMWARE is doing a little bit of the same thing with VSAN, but they have to be careful not to shoot themselves in the foot since they are owned by EMC, and EMC sells a LOT of traditional storage. Which is part of why EMC is making a push for SDS. They see the traditional storage market dwindling over time and want to make sure they have their foot in the door for whatever comes next, be it AFA, SDS, storage appliances...

On a lark I decided to look at these supermicro SuperStorage Server with 4TB 7200 / 128 GB Ent SSDs (half HD \ half SSD) was the total cost like 26~k, for 3x the storage and speed of what i just paid for in storage (still a small fry). It would have provided hot-cold tiers and 2 way redundancy. If if this SDS stack is as reliable as I hope it is, its a game changer. Just look at what SDN is doing now.

But...you're taking more the burden/risk at the hardware layer. Microsoft isn't going to 4hr you a replacement drive and now you're going to have to keep a real inventory of drives, or shelves, or controller cards. Either you can buy lots and lots of cheap storage hardware and let the software abstract those issues away, or you lean on someone getting an e-mail from your SAN at 3am to have the vendor to dispatch a new drive in your colo, miles or states away.

The ideal of just pulling and slotting bigger drives and SSDs in the same footprint is really, really alluring. The unfortunate thing is I can see how someone who doesn't know what they're doing implementing SDS on poor quality hardware or not understanding how to properly maintain the infrastructure.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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https://twitter.com/NZ_BenThomas/status/950271094803480577 totes posted this in the wibbows thread, forgot there is a storage mt as well.

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