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Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Hello fellow subie enthusiasts,

first time poster, drive- 05 obp sti (not factory), worked as a tech for two years for subie/vw. will post pics when not at work.

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Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Yakattak posted:

Speaking of strut chat. I've been looking into struts and springs. I couldn't find any on your site Jamal but I'm open to suggestions.

Honestly , depending on what you want to do a rebuild with custom internals to match your springs would be the best approach. That way you have no fitment issues, easy install, cheaper price, and comparable performance.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2282535

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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pctD posted:

Does anyone have any words on air oil separators/catch cans? Do they actually provide a meaningful benefit?

In my opinion they should factory installed . If you are staying relatively stock and not pushing a ton of psi then an air oil separator will work fine (grimmspeed makes a very good version), if you are going with a significant increase in boost a catch can/air oil separator would be a better bet (i prefer the beatrush catch can [Laille if you are a eurogoon])

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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:smuggo: I still remember my first subie,85 gl wagon people had no idea what it was and would ask me all kinds of questions about it back then. Best memory i had in it was towing a 95 jeep grand cherokee out of a snow bank that i had just gone up.:jebcry:

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Nur_Neerg posted:

Out of curiosity, how much should a clutch replacement on an '04 WRX hatch run, generally speaking? Mine hasn't been feeling great, thinking it's a cause of a lot of the 'bucking' I get while shifting around or starting from a stop in 1st-2nd.

The best way to test your clutch is put it in 3rd or 4th rev it up fairly high and drop the clutch, if it dies you are still pretty good if it slips you are not. I would assume a shop would charge you 5 or 6 hours plus parts. So where im from 110 an hour *6= 660 plus parts.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

I feel like there is no possible way this can be good for your engine.

I'm pretty sure the way you do this is you put it in 3rd for a 5spd or 4th for a 6spd and you try to slip it very lightly. If you can get the car moving, your clutch is probably either glazed or dying. However, you want to stall it from near idle, not dropping it from high revs, right? That abrupt halt to the engine just seems like it's going to be massacre on the internals.

i didnt say pin the throttle and get all four going, just like 3kish.


tell me more about how subaru's own tech manuals are wrong, hell even vw trained its mechanics to test clutches this way.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Neptr posted:

My FSM says to put the parking brake on and try to move the car forward - if the engine stalls the clutch is good. Kinda assumes the parking brake is working tho. I've also heard trying to start the car on a steep hill - if you can't get the clutch to engage it's no good. I am not familiar with your method but I guess it works on the same sort of principle.

When i worked at a vw/subaru dealership its how the vw tech that had been wrenching longer than i had been alive taught me, and likewise the subaru guys did it too. You are right though the end goal is the same , force the clutch to slip or stall the car.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

Based on your video, you should probably start left foot braking. That way, you can keep the turbo spinning and use more throttle with less understeer.

This, Also matching your rear sway bar to the front (size wise) and getting solid end links will help in making an oversteer condition occur.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Slow is Fast posted:

valve cover gaskets?


daslog posted:

Or the turbo oil line. I have had tons of leaks there on my 04 wrx. Everything sort of puddles right there.

Ya just move towards the top of the engine and look at where the "wet road grime" stops. But its likely one of these two.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
So I think i have finally seen it all now, was working on an 05 forester xt (headgasket replacement) im getting ready to pull the motor so i open the throwout fork access plug , and grab my trusty battery tie down hook and try to thread it into rod that holds the fork in place and i'm having an insane amount of difficulty threading it in. Eventually after like 20 minutes i grab a flashlight and mirror and look in, whoever put it in last must have hit with A) the hammer of thor B) an impact hammer because the entire end is rounded off and the threaded hole is mushroomed. Took me 2 hours to get it out...

e: invest in a set of dead blow hammers, it will save you a ton of headache

Lord of Garbagemen fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jun 15, 2015

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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daslog posted:

You mean the cylindrical thing that holds the clutch fork on? it's not even screwed into anything. You just thread it so you can pull it out.

I wonder if they couldn't get it lined up when they tried to reinstall it and just impacted poo poo out of it.

Yes, and ya i don't even know how. I've never had any trouble getting em in, just a little grease and it goes in easy.


jamal posted:

You can release the clutch from the tob without pulling that pin btw.

How? I cant really visualize how you would release the throwout bearing any other way.

I pull the motors when i do head gaskets, its only an extra 30 or 40 minutes to do and working on an engine on a stand is just so much nicer.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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jamal posted:

Same way you'd take the tob off the pressure plate on a stand, just stick a long screwdriver or pick through the clutch fork hole. Remove the slave cylinder, pull the ring away from the pressure plate and pop the fork back. It's a little tricky the first few times but once you get the hang of it you'll never pull out the big pin again.

jesus you must have the dexterity of a ninja.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

It'll be fine, do as he says and stay out of boost. You won't have issues unless you get into areas where you're going to lean out/knock.

If you're really concerned, flash a 'limp' map and drive it down that way.

pretty much this, tbh. The factory ecu can adjust things out much farther than most people assume, but ya just drive down to the tuner and stay reasonable.

edit: also did you get one of those tbe that neck down to 2.5 at the downpipe and then go back to 3 in+ after the flange? Those seem pretty odd

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

If you're taking the muffler off already might as well put a glasspack on to replace it.

and so the slippery slope of modifications begins

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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perabyte posted:

Hey Jamal,

I have a 2009 3.0R and I live high in the mountains. There is this rather long (8 mile) grade (6%) that I have to drive up every so often at around 65mph (no A/C on). It was 100 degrees out today and my temp gauge moved about 2-3 notches from its normal spot just below the middle. Still nowhere near the red (would take another 9-10 notches to do that) This is the most I've seen it move. The last time I drove up it was in the 80's and only moved up a little. Is this considered normal? I checked my coolant overflow, and it's normal, nothing overflowed, and it doesn't smell like exhaust. Could I have a head gasket issue or is it just really hot outside combined with the steep grade? I had a friend drive up the same grade today with an old ford explorer. He says his gauge never moves from the middle. Maybe I'm just being paranoid because my 99's gauge never moved either? I've searched high and low for this issue and can't come up with anything.

Im not really sure about the 3.0's and head gasket issues. I know that idiot temp gauges are all very different in that they report changes in temp at a delayed rate. For example my 00' legacy is very delayed in reporting the actual temp changes (this is to prevent people from freaking out about normal fluctuation in temp). I would assume your 09 is similar in it delays in reporting actual temp. Again i know almost nothing about the 3.0's but i would at least get under the car and see if the gasket is failing externally as that would be a good indicator of failure.Hope this kinda helps. That or try and replicate that drive and get one of those IR temp guns and see what temp your block is.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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so spent 4 hours yesterday helping a friend get his block back into a forester xt. End result still not in the car.... I have had some motors that were a pain to get in but this one simply does not want to catch on the dam input shaft and come together. Oh well there always is next weekend. Jamal got any tips on a stubborn motor install?

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Slow is Fast posted:

Jack up the transmission so that the motor mount studs clear the cross member.

Have the motor at an angle on whatever you are using to lift it.

Once it's going in, have two people wiggle the poo poo out of it until it seats up. Do not use the bellhousing bolts to pull it all together.

It's finicky, but with two people lifting either side of the motor it should seat eventually. A good leveler and clearing the crossmember help alot.


jamal posted:

Make sure the input splines aren't mangled up and re-center the clutch plate. Sometimes the turbo catches on the trans bellhousing but I think I've only seen that with bigger aftermarket stuff. Starter can also get in the way sometimes.

ya there was only two of us , maybe the third will help next weekend. Just never had one that was so stubborn.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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nm posted:

Wait, wait are you guys saying the EJ255/7 is unreliable?
Well I never.

Don't listen to these jerks, they totally have bullet proof bottom ends.......

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

I'm tempted to buy that turd myself, even though it probably would not make it home.

but $800 ,at that price he has got another 4 grand to make it what he wants.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

Yeah, I mean - no matter what you do in this respect, your mileage sounds like it'll be about the same (your city will likely be better, more like 18-20). Instead you'll have a $3000 slow money burn with no amenities.

Do you really need AWD? For what you describe, a FWD with good snow/ice tires and a decent differential seems like a much better option. Generally I don't consider it 'decent' gas mileage until 28-30.

my 00' legacy gt gets a straight 25 mpg (highway and city), my 05' sti gets 15-16. I think 18-20 is a tad low for a NA.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

At 80? Not buying it. I can get a good 26-27mpg if I keep it between 65-70, but if you take it up 75+ that poo poo drops like a rock.

I dunno, i don't really keep track. i would say more often than not the legacy hovers around 70-75 on the freeway.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

Guess it also makes some sense, 00 Legacy auto or manual? I'm guessing the final drive would maybe push it up a few more mph. Still not gonna do it at 80+ though, just too far for the gearing in any older Subaru. Maybe some of the newer ones, CVT, etc.

Auto, so i think it has the taller final drive ratio of the two.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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bull3964 posted:

BRZ gets 30+ MPG cruising at 80mph all day long :D Amazing what light weight, newer engine, and two fewer drive wheels will do.

I made the round trip from Pittsburgh to Alexandra VA and averaged 34.7 mpg for the whole thing and I certainly wasn't keeping to the speed limits.

the sti is low because im running a gtx3076r on it, its worth it though :)


bull3964 posted:

Way back when my 2002 was new (and there was far less ethanol in fuel), I did manage to clock several 28mpg highway trips with it.

Yep ethanol really fucks the older cars that aren't tuned for it. I remember when the legacy would get like 28 mpg when they switched gas in the summer time to the non ethanol mix.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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jonathan posted:

Considering it likely won't need a head gasket.

About that friend, with subbies (barring the 2.2t) always assume it needs a head gasket.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

Given Subaru has already walked from motorsports for the most part, I don't think they care about any gauntlets.

"Nice gauntlet you have there - we'll be over here, still selling more cars than we can produce. Who wants to buy another XV or Outback?"

Ya like the posters above, subaru couldn't give a flying loving about Motorsports anymore. FFS they havent been in the WRC since 2008. The STi is grossly underpowered at this point and it seems like they will make no effort to really bring it up to date. Now excuse me while i hop in my real subaru ::grabs keys to bright orange xv with kayak on top::

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

Let's be honest though - 300whp/300wtq is not underpowered. People are weird about numbers on paper. The car in stock form is stupid fast, and the only thing holding it back in most cases is the driver. I race an EJ25 N/A, that had 165hp at its best time. It's still faster than I am, by quite a bit.

But, dick waving contests are lost in parking lots everywhere because that guy in his Mustang has 50 more hp than I do.

sti isnt anywhere near 300whp or wtq its like 250. And ya 95% of the people who drive cars with alot of power don't need that much, or can utilize that much but i sure as poo poo am not looking to buy a "high performance" sti that has almost the same hp as a honda accord.

edit: the 5.0 mustang has a lower msrp and almost 150 more flywheel hp.

Lord of Garbagemen fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 25, 2015

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Slow is Fast posted:

Vermont Sportscar does both sets of cars. the Redbull cars have more street parts than the rally cars.

Lance Smith, the owner or president is a really cool guy. I met him by happenstance on a spectator stage at the Oregon trail rally, and then again at the Olympus rally. Dude just loves making poo poo go fast, fun to talk to.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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nm posted:

^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't buy a turbo subaru if you care about reliability.


For service, GST referred me to Carlsen Subaru for an emergency weekend issue. Expensive, like all dealers, but they didn't gently caress anything up.

Lol the nasioc group think is still alive and kicking. Don't listen to this guy , the turbos can be just as reliable as the na motors.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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So burned through a tank of gas, 2/3 was highway (at exactly 75) and 1/3 was putzing around town. i got 344.8 miles at the time my gas light came on, the refill was 14.1 gallons so i was around 24.5 mpg on the 2000 legacy gt (automatic).

Also , i am need to replace all four dampeners as the rebound is pretty bad, going with kybs for the dampener. The question i have is, anyone know of a good set of springs for front and rear (this is a wagon), im not looking for any crazy drop , just something a little lower (1in or so) and the rears need to have a higher rate because of "wagon'.

edit: can i run the sti pinks if i just use the sti or impreza top hats? https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/1939 , https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/1940. I would assume i would have to as those have the smaller top coil. Also, has anyone ever used that site i'm unfamiliar with it.

Lord of Garbagemen fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 29, 2015

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/5095838195.html

This cant be real, and if it is real, gently caress the US and our stupid auto import laws.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

What's not real about it? I've driven a handful of Type-RAs. They're magical little cars.

$7900 is a bit high for that one, but dude probably just imported it and lost his shirt on it.

7900 is high for that in canada?!1!1!?!1 Canada must be a magical place full of type ras and s203s all over. If that was down here that would be double.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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si posted:

Just because people in the US are dumb with their money, doesn't mean Canada's prices are odd.

It's a nearly 20 year old turbo Subaru. The EJ20K was not a magical engine. It's RHD. The gear ratios are terrible for street driving. All of the 'good' parts of that car are probably failed (shocks, bushings, etc) - and you can put brand new working/better bits onto a US car, have spares, etc.

I think its more of we cant get that car stateside.

edit: also please stop raping my childhood dreams.

Lord of Garbagemen fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 30, 2015

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Got back to work on the 05 forester xt, the engine went in like a dream this time. Couldnt get the clutch slave to build any pressure so spent the next 45 minutes bleeding it and the master. Im gonna have to adjust the clutch cable thing below the master cylinder also to get the clutch pedal to feel better i think. Got timing set and a bunch of the stuff the owner doesnt feel comfortable doing solo. All in all was a good 4 hours spent after work today.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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jamal posted:

Shouldn't have to adjust anything with the linkage. You bench bleed the MC? That's always worked well for me when I had a problem. Also the centric MCs are cheap and seem to work.

No didn't bench just gravity bled the mc, and then used the clutch pedal to bleed out the rest of the lines and the slave. The only reason i think the linkage needs to be tightened up is its pretty loose and the clutch pedal feels like it engages too low (i like a high pedal, should probably ask if the owner does also).

I guess they are two different issues, we did get the system to build pressure tho.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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The Rat posted:

Hello Subaru people. Have an issue I was hoping for some input on. Recently, my '05 Outback has had this strange issue where whenever I go up steep slopes for a while, a white smoke starts coming out from under the car, namely in the area just behind the front wheels. I had it checked out by a mechanic, who said that it was the rear seal to the transmission that leaked, which then dripped onto the exhaust and caused the smoke. I monitored the transmission fluid level for a while and it remained constant, so the leak can't have been that bad.

I recently had the mechanic replace the rear seal, and initially it seemed like that fixed the issue. However, it seems to have come back after some more steep, extended slopes. Not as bad, but still noticeable.

Has anyone had this issue before? I'm no car guy, but I wonder if the rear seal leaking is a symptom of something else. It doesn't seem like a deadline issue, but I'd rather make sure everything is operating at a functional level.

generally blue is oil burning
black is generally fuel
white can be water vapor (or coolant if the smell is kind of a sweet smell)
grey is tough it can be oil , or transmission oil in autos,

If its under the front of the car check your hoses, see if your radiator fan is wet (this could indicate the radiator is leaking), check your overflow bottle for overflow. You could crawl under and inspect the heads where they meet the block look for any dampness or accumulation of wet debris.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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So i have a question for jamal or bull. I am working on a ej255 turbo and doing a timing belt. every time i set timing and pull the tensioner pin roll it over get the crank back to tdc, check the marks and the drivers side cams are a like a a half tooth to a tooth retarded, if i hold the crank and turn the intake cam both of them set to the marks and every thing looks set. So i dug into this and it occurs when i pull the tensioner pin and rotate the tensioner it eats some slack and the cam doesn't move. I have set it like 3 times now all with the same results, and i haven't had this occur before on a suby t belt replacement.

A) is the tensioner bad from the box?
B) Is it the wrong part possibly? i would assume all ej255 turbos have the same tensioner
C) The unlikely scenario, is this going to be ok? It seems like its just the tensioner messing with timing, maybe avcs adjusts this?
D) If its not do i have to ignore the belt marks and just set the drivers intake cam and exhaust a tooth advanced and try to get it to pull back into time, after tension applied?

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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So guess who is still working on the timing for that ej255 turbo........:suicide:

I could really use any help from the pros , its same as before set time static, pull tensioner pin, turn motor over now its not in time, seems like its cause the tensioner causes the crank to move but not the cams when it first engages during first turn. 5 loving hours on timing in this piece of poo poo.

:suicide::suicide::suicide::suicide::suicide:

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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bull3964 posted:

You realize that the timing marks will not line up with every full revolution of the crank right?

You line them up when you install the belt and pull the tensionor pin to set the tension. At that point everything will be lined up. Once you start cranking the engine, it will take several hundred revolutions of the engine for the timing marks to line up again due to the spacing of the marks and the number of teeth on each cam. The marks are only there to set statically at installation. They are useless once the engine starts turning.

i'm talking about the timing marks on the cam and crank pulleys, those should always line up after 720 right? The problem is they don't, and i want to say the tensioner is somehow hosed from the box but they are expensive and i don't want to have this guy buy one and then me go "Whoops wasnt the tensioner , im just an idiot"

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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bull3964 posted:

Yes, the cam and the crank should line back up.

If things aren't lining back up again, I wouldn't suspect the tensioner. It would only cause things to not line up again by allowing slippage to occur. If you are hand cranking the engine and not noticing teeth slip (which should be pretty obvious) then it's not an issue with the tensioner.

I would double check that you have the right belt. If the belt is the incorrect length and has too many (or two few) teeth it will cause things to come out of alignment.

I will double check the belt teeth (or part number if its on the belt), my only concern that points towards the tensioner is that when turning the crank with the pin disengaged the tensioner visibly moves down quite a bit which causes this "mis timing/slipping" between the cams and crank.

Quick check on parts.subaru.com shows two different belts so I guess I will have him check a part number with the vin and compare to what he got.

Terrible Robot posted:

I ran into a similar problem when I did the T belt on my cousin's Camry. It was caused by not wrapping the pulleys in the correct order. I was starting at the crank pulley and working my way around to the cam pulleys and that was creating slack in the wrong spot on the belt, so even when I let the tensioner do its thing there was still some looseness that allowed the pulleys to drift a few teeth out of sync.

Ya All the videos I have seen go counter clockwise as far as belt install, so I think on saturday I will try it counter clockwise.

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Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

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Lord of Garbagemen posted:

So i have a question for jamal or bull. I am working on a ej255 turbo and doing a timing belt. every time i set timing and pull the tensioner pin roll it over get the crank back to tdc, check the marks and the drivers side cams are a like a a half tooth to a tooth retarded, if i hold the crank and turn the intake cam both of them set to the marks and every thing looks set. So i dug into this and it occurs when i pull the tensioner pin and rotate the tensioner it eats some slack and the cam doesn't move. I have set it like 3 times now all with the same results, and i haven't had this occur before on a suby t belt replacement.

A) is the tensioner bad from the box?
B) Is it the wrong part possibly? i would assume all ej255 turbos have the same tensioner
C) The unlikely scenario, is this going to be ok? It seems like its just the tensioner messing with timing, maybe avcs adjusts this?
D) If its not do i have to ignore the belt marks and just set the drivers intake cam and exhaust a tooth advanced and try to get it to pull back into time, after tension applied?

So long story short we buttoned it up a tooth off, got it running and it misfires under load. the code is intermitent po302 (cyl 2 misfire). I am having the owner swap coils then injectors. My question is this would timing affect all cylinders under load or is it possible to get to get only the cyl 2 misfire?

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