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Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJuG4fJ26WU

Linn drum through external ???

I must know what this magic be!

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Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Someone give me some pointers to getting a good aggressive dubstep wobble bass.

h_double
Jul 27, 2001
Does anybody know what kind of drum machine Prince used in "When Doves Cry"? Specifically I am interested in the source of that sharp tock/clack sound that's around the 2 and 4 beat of the rhythm.

mezzir
Jul 1, 2007

I'ma rub your ass in the moonshine.
Let's take it back to seventy-nine...

Stux posted:

Someone give me some pointers to getting a good aggressive dubstep wobble bass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYDmw2pYOk (if you have massive, if else youtube has a few other good ones)

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

Stux posted:

Someone give me some pointers to getting a good aggressive dubstep wobble bass.

2 Step Dubstep
Step 1. Heavy fat bass
Step 2. LFO modulation over the bass

INSTANT BANGER

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Stux posted:

Someone give me some pointers to getting a good aggressive dubstep wobble bass.

If it weren't for the fact that my DAW is in pieces at the moment I'd give you a Synth1 patch that'd blow your mind. I hope to have it fixed up on Monday or so.

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

h_double posted:

Does anybody know what kind of drum machine Prince used in "When Doves Cry"? Specifically I am interested in the source of that sharp tock/clack sound that's around the 2 and 4 beat of the rhythm.

Linn LM-1

h_double
Jul 27, 2001

MrLonghair posted:

Linn LM-1

Thanks! The downtuned LM-1 clap was exactly what I was after.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Am I even getting anywhere near good with this, I didn't think some of it was bad but my friend I bounce my music off of said it was weak as poo poo. The mix is terrible as are the drums, I just need some feedback on the main wobble sound.

Rkelly
Sep 7, 2003
I think it needs a filter of some kind on it. I would maybe run it thru a wah pedal or emulation in amplitube or something. It needs grime and filth I think.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Stux posted:

said it was weak as poo poo.

Consider EQing some more of the bottom end out of it, then layer it with a deep sinewave/triangle wave subbass.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

I think this is better but I dunno if I'm quite there. I added a triangle sub bass but I don't know if its enough?

mezzir
Jul 1, 2007

I'ma rub your ass in the moonshine.
Let's take it back to seventy-nine...
edit: completely wrong thread, nice job self

mezzir fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Mar 29, 2009

Nosir
Jun 11, 2006
Hey does anyone know what amps Pepper and Woody from Corrosion of Conformity use? I couldnt find it on google and i'm curious...mainly because i wish i was as cool as them.

A Nice Bloke
Mar 25, 2008

Go away already, you fucking moron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYY6xwwfCE

At 0:08, I'm curious what instrument plays the G and A (right before the "la la la la la la la"), thanks in advance!

e: Sounds sorta like a slap bass, but I'm not sure.

A Nice Bloke fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 1, 2009

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Stux posted:

Someone give me some pointers to getting a good aggressive dubstep wobble bass.

Here you go:


A Nice Bloke posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYY6xwwfCE

At 0:08, I'm curious what instrument plays the G and A (right before the "la la la la la la la"), thanks in advance!

Argh. I'm torn. One half says Yamaha DX-series synth (FM), the other says it's a preset from a cheap Casio keyboard from around that time. Thing is, I can't find any proper examples.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jul 22, 2012

stun runner
Oct 3, 2006

by mons all madden
Hey Yoozer, I know you used to have an Ion... do you have any tips for programming that synth specifically? Like, things that might be unique to it that will help me get interesting sounds, or parts of the interface I should just mess around with? Sorry for the vague/lame question but hopefully you get an idea of what I'm talking about.

SynthesizerKaiser
Jan 28, 2009
BOOSTER JUICE
Any idea how to create the bell sound that plays throughout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOZOa9UPMgI ? I honestly have no idea.

Edit to add: How long does it usually take you to figure out how to make a sound, Yoozer? Seems like you generally know what's behind a sound when you first listen to it.

SynthesizerKaiser fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Apr 2, 2009

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

stun runner posted:

Hey Yoozer, I know you used to have an Ion... do you have any tips for programming that synth specifically?

Here's a grab bag.

- analog drift to 10-20% is always good.
- 90% of all factory patches uses the Moog 24 LP. Replace it; for dirt, try the ARP filter (RP). For pad sounds, use the Oberheim (OB) LP.
- there's a compressor that's generally ignored because it's in the upper right corner. It can make sounds ridiculously snappy
- there's also a tube distortion simulation on-board, which is reasonably OK
- don't even bother with the on-board effects except for the phaser: get yourself a nice external reverb + multi-effects (Lexicon MX200 / TC M300/350) and things will start to shine.
- for typical Juno-pulsewaves, set the PWM to 45%.
- for percussive sounds, change the shapes of the envelopes; setting them to exponential, negative makes them snappy if you want short blips and clicks.
- make yourself a few init patches that have no slots in the modulation matrix filled up and start with a single oscillator routed to a single filter (serial, not parallel). Dual filters are for more advanced usage.
- when you start with dual filters, set both of 'm to bandpass, each being controlled by their separate LFOs (at low speed). You'll get a nice phasing sound

SynthesizerKaiser posted:

Any idea how to create the bell sound that plays throughout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOZOa9UPMgI ? I honestly have no idea.
You could consider sampling the hit of a metal stick against a milk bottle, stretch it with PaulStretch for 300% or so, and cut off the first part with a wave editor. Because this application is totally awesome, here's what happens when you put a fragment of Bob James's "Take Me To the Mardi Gras" through it, at 800%.

quote:

Edit to add: How long does it usually take you to figure out how to make a sound, Yoozer? Seems like you generally know what's behind a sound when you first listen to it.

Here's my modus operandi which I'll rewrite in detail so I can publish it:

I mainly start with a simple subtractive synthesizer (like Synth1 or Reason's Thor - the latter allowing me some modulation tricks that Synth1 doesn't do). Both are easy to take screenshots of, which saves me the trouble of saving patches, and since I only have the demo version of Reason, it allows me to "save" patches in the first place.

Sound has 3 properties - pitch, timbre and volume. The easiest to determine is volume; I listen if the sound has a short or long attack/decay and adjust the volume envelopes so that part of the sound is matched. You could even open up the waveform of a single note in a wave editor like Sound Forge or Audacity and just redraw the curve from that. I try to envision the sound without any effects; a lot of the perceived "snappiness" of a sound that is hard to do with envelopes can be done with a simple compressor, or it becomes a lot easier if you have envelopes that allow you to set the curves - linear, exponential positive/negative (like on the DX7).

Timbre is determined by the waveforms and the filter, and you rarely hear a sound that's not treated with an EQ. It's just that the expectation of the people on forums who I help often is that you are supposed to get everything from a single plugin or synthesizer instead of realizing that these things rarely do their job alone; they're usually willing to buy (and mostly download via less legal means) a plugin just because it contains a magical preset or so.

I simply spent a long time listening to 2 or 3 oscillators, each with different waveforms, volumes and tuning so I can recognize what the basis of the sound is when you remove the filter part; it's just "dumb" exercise and cramming the results of what you hear in your head.

This covers a lot of sounds used in dance music; for evolving pads, the recreation is trickier but not impossible. For that, I simply use the principles of the JV sound modules or the Wavestation. These offer you 4 "parrts" (tones, elements, whatever they invented) which are basically single-oscillator synthesizers, each with their own pitch, filter, volume and modulation parameters. The difference is of course that you can't do inter-oscillator modulation like sync, ringmod or FM. By deconstructing the sound to parts like the bass, treble and high frequencies, it becomes easier to reconstruct/emulate. Just by putting an LFO on each of these parts that controls the volume and then putting the LFO phase and speed out of sync, you get great, evolving sounds that don't seem to repeat themselves.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 2, 2009

Tokit
Dec 16, 2004

I was doing the composing.
How can I get a heavy electro synth sound?

Perfect example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHqf9qw-GU#t=1m14s

From what I hear, the synth is acting as the lead and the bass at once, then the drums and vocal effect in the background. But I can't seem to get one that sounds like that or close to it.

Mannex
Apr 12, 2006

Tokit posted:

How can I get a heavy electro synth sound?

Perfect example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHqf9qw-GU#t=1m14s

From what I hear, the synth is acting as the lead and the bass at once, then the drums and vocal effect in the background. But I can't seem to get one that sounds like that or close to it.

It sounds like it might be a heavily distorted or saturated crunchy square wave with the filter giving it that "weeoow" thing.

Sevyplates
Jan 7, 2006

squidgee posted:

Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnezldGu7JU

It's a laughably bad albeit catchy song, but the lead is really neat and I can't for the life of me recreate it. It strikes me as something similar to D. Ramirez remix of Bodyrox's Yeah Yeah, which I can approximate, but I can't touch this sound for some reason. I've been trying to use three detuned oscillators plus noise progressing via pitch bend rather than using glide to get the bendy effect, with one oscillator tuned a fifth above the others. Past that I'm lost. Ideas?

edit: I am so going to kick myself for procrastinating on writing my final philosophy of science paper for two hours trying to recreate this sound if they just used a sampler



Got this from a friend of mine, It's pretty close (But you posted that in DEC, so who knows if you'll see it)

Also, fantastic thread Yoozer :)

Sevyplates fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 4, 2009

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

A Nice Bloke posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYY6xwwfCE

At 0:08, I'm curious what instrument plays the G and A (right before the "la la la la la la la"), thanks in advance!

e: Sounds sorta like a slap bass, but I'm not sure.

Have I got news for you! I was proven right; the preset is called "Ep.Clique_" and I found it in a HUGE stash of DX7 sounds, completely by accident, here: http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/dx7.html#patches

It was in the file with the "1,177,600 byte tar file" description, second from top. The sysex file in the ZIP that you need is called bank0009.syx.

This is what it sounds like in FM8:

http://www.theheartcore.com/megathread/krs_ep_clique.mp3

SynthesizerKaiser
Jan 28, 2009
BOOSTER JUICE
(I may have asked this before.)

Anyone happen to know what synth Andy Moor likes to use? I know it's difficult to say precisely which one, since they all tend to sound quite similar.


Really what I want is to recreate the arp from Love Story, which appears at roughly 3:10 and later at 6:47 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90EiLwtnwyI&fmt=18

(Click the link regardless of whether you can help me with sound design, it's a great track and in HQ!)

KaosPV
Sep 25, 2007
Mediterranean schizo
I guess this is something simple and maybe Yoozer will smack my head for not having learnt such basics yet...

Still I'd like to get some tips to do this bass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmqrOBoDD8

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

SynthesizerKaiser posted:

Really what I want is to recreate the arp from Love Story, which appears at roughly 3:10 and later at 6:47 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90EiLwtnwyI&fmt=18

Use a regular up & down arpeggiator spanning 3 octaves; after you've rendered the notes (so whatever you use as sequencer shows the separate notes, not you holding the chord), delete all the notes in the center octave or so and move everything together more closely. Generously use a synched delay to make it appear that there are more notes than you play.

KaosPV posted:

I guess this is something simple and maybe Yoozer will smack my head for not having learnt such basics yet...

Still I'd like to get some tips to do this bass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmqrOBoDD8

:v: I only smack people's heads verbally when they say they want to buy a new synthesizer or plugin because their previous one ran out of usable preset sounds :downs:

Set both oscillators to saw wave, detune one of 'm just 1 or 2 cents at most (that's what causes the slightly flanging effect) - no semitone or octave detune needed. Add a subtle distortion/overdrive to give it a little more zest. You should be able to do this with Synth1 (or equivalent) already.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Apr 6, 2009

A Nice Bloke
Mar 25, 2008

Go away already, you fucking moron

Yoozer posted:

Have I got news for you! I was proven right; the preset is called "Ep.Clique_" and I found it in a HUGE stash of DX7 sounds, completely by accident, here: http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/dx7.html#patches

It was in the file with the "1,177,600 byte tar file" description, second from top. The sysex file in the ZIP that you need is called bank0009.syx.

This is what it sounds like in FM8:

http://www.theheartcore.com/megathread/krs_ep_clique.mp3

Thank you, I had no idea what it was, and that is it!

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

Yoozer posted:

:v: I only smack people's heads verbally when they say they want to buy a new synthesizer or plugin because their previous one ran out of usable preset sounds :downs:

Smack me, I want a Buchla 200e!

SpecialAgentCooper
Sep 15, 2008

Where we're from, the birds sing a pretty song, and there's always music in the air.
What's the ideal method for extracting vocals and then cutting them up? I'm not trying to do some of that silly WinAmp plugin thing where it makes songs sound like they're instrumentals, but rather, I just want to keep the vocal for a song and mix the music out.

On a similar note, how do the Boogie Pimps cut up their vocal samples in such a musical way? (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgdsLaODLsw for a good example) Would loading a chopped Dr.REX sample into Reason and then triggering slices via MIDI work? I realize this question is pretty simple given that it's hardly an unusual effect, but I've never successfully duplicated it.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

SpecialAgentCooper posted:

I just want to keep the vocal for a song and mix the music out.
The fastest way is to acquire the acapella. Consider the song like a cake; you're going to have a hard time to extract the original eggs you used out of the finished cake again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfI87107pvA

quote:

On a similar note, how do the Boogie Pimps cut up their vocal samples in such a musical way?

It's because you cut not based on time but on phrase/word (MPC1000 + DJ filter on Nord Modular). Not saying that it's musical, but it works better than using strict 1/8 or 1/16 portions.

Terrible Horse
Apr 27, 2004
:I
Anyone know how to get the "dub chord" in dubstep and dub techno? I know theres a big delay on them but what about the original stab? They all sound different but have a common sound and im having trouble recreating it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGgsv7G4FKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOc54XWSGGU

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe
The first one just has an odd chord, the second one's probably doable when you play a chord with a regular piano patch, transpose it two octaves up, and use EQing to give it a bump. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r1h2XmWXBI

wat combo
Jul 28, 2008
This seems like something that would have been posted before, but as far as I can tell it hasn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwnHYGFi98

How does one make the chords at 2:39 and 2:49 (they occur throughout the song but those are the most isolated examples)?

Mannex
Apr 12, 2006

2:49 is the ORCHESTRA HIT, a 90's holy-poo poo-samplers favorite.
You can hear it around 00:19 in this youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEbXLXe5Yls

2:39 is either a sampled electric guitar or an extremely crunchy distorted synth.

a_gelatinous_cube
Feb 13, 2005

I've got a couple of sounds I've never been able to do. How do I make really funky slap bass synth sounds like what kicks in at 1:07 in this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nem_uP-bpFs

Is that FM synthesis? I've never used it before.

And how do you make really airy pads like what kicks in at 3:04 in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwBsIE_V8aw

Mannex
Apr 12, 2006

Zyklon B Zombie posted:

I've got a couple of sounds I've never been able to do. How do I make really funky slap bass synth sounds like what kicks in at 1:07 in this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nem_uP-bpFs

Is that FM synthesis? I've never used it before.

And how do you make really airy pads like what kicks in at 3:04 in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwBsIE_V8aw

The first one is your standard 80's industrial FM bass. I don't know how to program FM because you need to do all these weird math tables so I would probably just find one in the presets. It's a pretty famous FM sound.


The second one sounds like pan pipes, either FM synthesized or sampled with a bunch of long reverb on them.

Early Cuyler
Jan 10, 2006

Fruit don't talk. Fruit just listen.
Crossposted from the "Trivial Questions" thread because I thought this thread was deceased and I'm a loving moron:

I'm trying to write a ridiculous pop song on a dare, and to see if I can do it, but I'm looking for a specific synth sound and I'm having a hell of a time finding the right one. I'm looking for the pad/chord sound under the verses in T-Pain's "Buy U A Drank". I know that the plucky melody thing at the beginning is in FM7/FM8 (specifically, the preset "Exciting), and I know that T-Pain is also a big Logic user, but I have both and I have no idea where to start looking. Can anyone help me ID this sound?

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe
From the instrumental I found on Youtube it's a supersaw with a vocal/formant filter over it. Try Reason's Thor - use a single Multi Oscillator through the Formant filter and you're pretty close, the rest is automation/tweaking.

Could also be a talkbox, but the typical Zapp sound is not a supersaw but a single, saw-like waveform with some extras.

KaosPV
Sep 25, 2007
Mediterranean schizo
These guys: http://www.myspace.com/groupet

They are awesome, their last album is a tribute to Front 242 and they manage to get that old school EBM sound updated. I'm not that much of a fan of those bands supposedly doing old school EBM like Spetsnaz and stuff like that, to me they don't sound like the real stuff, but these guys nail it.

I'd like tips on how to get the sound of their bass on "Free fire zone" and specially for Strange days, specifically the bass that kicks around 0:15 (it's loving Nitzerian).


I know that they work fully on software.


Thanks in advance guys.



EDIT: btw I'm working on Ableton.

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Mannex
Apr 12, 2006

KaosPV posted:

These guys: http://www.myspace.com/groupet

They are awesome, their last album is a tribute to Front 242 and they manage to get that old school EBM sound updated. I'm not that much of a fan of those bands supposedly doing old school EBM like Spetsnaz and stuff like that, to me they don't sound like the real stuff, but these guys nail it.

I'd like tips on how to get the sound of their bass on "Free fire zone" and specially for Strange days, specifically the bass that kicks around 0:15 (it's loving Nitzerian).

for "Free Fire Zone", a square wave with a short enveloped low pass filter on it, with a chorus giving it that "blue man group" tube/straw sound?

Strange Days has pretty much the same thing except they added in some extra pulse wave or something.

Mannex fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jun 9, 2009

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